Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

[Twayne]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

> Ildhund wrote:
>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
>> news:#9zifVMIJHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> ...
>> Bruce, DNFTEC; you'll only get bitten. See
>> http://lcngarc.twoshakesofalambstail.com/1998/12/1998120729.html
>
>
> I see your point, but my primary concern is to ensure that there's a
> rebuttal to the deliberately harmful advice these people post, so that
> newbies are at least warned of the dangers. If doing so also boosts
> the sad little trolls' egos, I think it's a price I'll just have to
> accept. Anyway, they generally make themselves look increasingly
> desperate and pathetic with each new post.

lol, I don't THINK so Bruce. In this thread I'd say you have been
pretty well trodden and returned with nothing of any substance to back
up any of your misinformation. Take up my earlier challenge and let's
see what happens.

 

[Twayne]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> schreef in bericht
> news:eLZBdUNIJHA.4416@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Ildhund wrote:
>>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
>>> news:#9zifVMIJHA.2408@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> ...
>>> Bruce, DNFTEC; you'll only get bitten. See
>>> http://lcngarc.twoshakesofalambstail.com/1998/12/1998120729.html
>>
>>
>> I see your point, but my primary concern is to ensure that there's a
>> rebuttal to the deliberately harmful advice these people post, so
>> that newbies are at least warned of the dangers. If doing so also
>> boosts the sad little trolls' egos, I think it's a price I'll just
>> have to accept. Anyway, they generally make themselves look
>> increasingly desperate and pathetic with each new post.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Chambers
>>
>> Help us help you:
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>>
>> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
>> Russell
>>
>> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
>> killed a great many philosophers.
>> ~ Denis Diderot
>
> What a lot of crap I read here. cCleaner is not so good as some
> think. It produces a lot of problems and there are far better
> programs available with much less problems.

Specifically, what kind of problems did/does it create? What are the
far better programs with less problems? Let's put some meat into this
ether.

 

[D. Spencer Hines]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

You write a lot of Good Sense.
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"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> f'ups set to reduce silly waste of ether
>
>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>>> Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be
>>>> clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted.
>>>
>>>
>>> CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. I tried the
>>> latest
>>> version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional
>>> applications installed, and certainly none installed and then
>>> uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred
>>> allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
>>> "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product, in
>>> this
>>> regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
>>> worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start
>>> with.)
>>
>> Did you check any of the "orphaned entries?" Perhaps the OS
>> installation was the culprit...
>
> The orphaned entries aren't actual problems unless their quantity
> gets so high it takes noticeable time for the os to traverse them.
> They are mostly "in case" type crap that MS puts all over the place
> for future use, but they are not necessary to have. It's similar to
> the stuff left over after you uninstall an MS program; it leaves the
> folders and a bunch of files there on the disk and in the registry
> "just in case" you reinstall it or are upgrading something. When
> their numbers reach a few thousand after a year or so, there can be
> noticeably longer boot times associated with all the crapola strewn
> all over the place, especially when you consider that some of the
> registry hives only exist after boot time; they are created on the
> fly during boot up, and then during normal day to day registry
> reads/writes they are all excess and useless data that has to be
> looked at and discarded. The registry is a database but it's not
> really a relational database; it's much closer to a flat database in
> most of the ways it runs.
> The time to run things like ccleaner is after a machine is
> installed and running; it's pretty much a waste of time right after
> a clean install of windows anyway. There may not have been near as
> many after everything was installed, but I've never been sure
> whether in installation uses and already created point in the
> registry or goes ahead and creates it own anyway.
> If you're so inclined, there are some registry monitoring programs
> (regmon for instance) that are interesting to watch at work. An
> install usually creates a gazillion temporary files, its own install
> files get copied to disk, get uncompressed, the install happens,
> and then supposedly they are removed from the disk and from the
> registry, although that seldom happens completely. It's an
> interesting process to watch at work.
>
> Twayne

 

[Twayne]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

> HeyBub wrote:
>> Bruce Chambers wrote:
>>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>>> Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be
>>>> clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted.
>>>
>>> CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. I tried the latest
>>> version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional
>>> applications installed, and certainly none installed and then
>>> uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred
>>> allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
>>> "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product, in
>>> this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything
>>> but worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start
>>> with.)
>>
>> Did you check any of the "orphaned entries?" Perhaps the OS
>> installation was the culprit...
>>
>>
>
>
> Yes, of course I checked them; Wouldn't have been much of a test,
> otherwise. They weren't remnants of the OS installation; all (dozens,
> I'd noticed the trend by then) of the ones I checked were legitimate
> keys.

Legitimate keys to WHAT? Boy, you can't provide anything substantive at
all, can you?

I challenge you:
1. Let me pick a situation and we'll work out the problems.
2. Or you pick a situation and we'll work out hte problems.

We'll each accomplish the same set of tests, complete with timing
measurements and reasonalbe, meaningful levels of detail. We can even
collaborate on a registry screw if you wish. You've stated you're
pretty knowledgeable where the registry is concerned, so it should be
easy between the two of us to devise entries that will not compromise
the machine but will fill it with lots of data to simulate a couple
years worth of registry growth. Then we'll image, clean with a chose
cleaner, and report results.

Let's go: I'm ready. How do you want to get started?

Twayne

 

[John John (MVP)]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

Twayne wrote:

>>Cleaning the registry does absolutely nothing to improve speed and
>>performance, any increase in performance is more likely due to CC
>>getting rid of temp files. Given the massive size of the registry,
>>cleaning it out and claiming that the computer runs faster is akin to
>>running the vacuum cleaner in your car and then claiming that the car
>>goes faster because you got rid of a pound of dust and dirt! Once in
>>a blue moon a registry cleaner may be of help to experienced users
>>trying to troubleshoot problems, othewise these tools are next to
>>useless or worse. These tools *do* cause problems but most of the
>>people who use them don't have enough experience to see the link to
>>the damage done by the cleaner.
>
>
> If they cause so many problems, how in the world can they be trusted as
> a trouble-shooting tool? If you use it for TS, you're saying you accept
> its output.

They can be of limited use in some circumstances when you don't have all
the history of the machine and no, I wouldn't blindly accept its outpt.
If you take it for granted that everything that they dish up are
unneeded entries that are safe to delete then you are asking for trouble
and you will get trouble. Otherwise these cleaners are utterly useless
and they do absolutely nothing to increase computer speed and
performance The indiscriminate use of these programs cause more harm
than good, running registry cleaners as part of a regular maintenance
routine is not a good idea at all.

John

 

[Unknown]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

What are 'reasonably written apps' and how does a novice recognize them?
For what purpose would any application have to write to the registry
'constantly'?
"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
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>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>> Twaddle.
>>>
>>> I approve every single registry change that is made.
>>>
>>> If I don't approve it, no change is made.
>>>
>>> Perfectly safe.
>>
>>
>> If the registry cleaner is so "perfectly safe," why do you feel the
>> need to approve each and every change? You do realize, don't you,
>> that you've just added weight to the position you're trying to argue
>> against?
>
> I did a few years back too, when idiots like you started spewing their
> garbage. I was really curious and concerned because I'd never had a
> problem. Reasonably written apps are no more prone to creating problems
> than any other app. Almost all apps, especially MS app, read/write to the
> registry constantly. Odds are, something will corrupt sooner or later.
> Somewhere in this mass of archives I even have estimates on the number of
> reads/writes I calculated on an average per day basis. My registry
> cleaner was barely a blip in the chart.
>
>

 

[Josh]

Re: OT Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

Re: OT Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

Hah... well than you keep telling yourself all that. I have yet to see
reliable evidence to back up anything you said... and I know from personal
experience registry cleaners do more harm then good. If they do any good at
all.

But hey, you keep doing these worthless scans and telling yourself it's
totally speeding your computer up.

Haha, and great article btw... "after 6 months HUNDREDS of registry errors
can develop"





"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
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>> D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>>> Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be
>>> clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted.
>>
>>
>> CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner.
> No, it is not worthless as a registry cleaner. It doesn't clean deep, but
> it isn't worthless.
>
> I tried the latest
>> version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
>> installed,
>
> a wasted effort at that point, since all it found were the "in case" chaff
> MS sticks in all over the place. Big deal; if they're needed, they'll get
> put back with the installs, but ... it's really counterproductive and a
> waste of time to run a cleaner at that point.
>
> and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
>> CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
>> registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making
>> it clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard.
>
> The orphaned entries were just that; orphaned. It doesn't take a CRAY to
> determine that an entry is an orphan.
>
> Suspicious Files, well, if you RTFM, it told you how to treat those.
>
> (Not that any
>> registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't
>> serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)
>
> And that is pure BS and you know it, as surely as you have a closed mind.
>
> Because of your claims, I did the exact same test you claim to have done,
> here on a sandbox XP laptop not too long ago, got rid of the orphans it
> was willing to remove, and left the suspicious files alone since I didn't
> want to go see what they were. Told it to not be so picky, reran the test
> & those didn't show up, just as the instructions predicted..
> After completeion of build, machine ran perfectly. Installed Office, DVD
> support, OOo, local Apache Server, PHP, AV and anti-spyware with several
> other minor apps & all were quite happy.
> Repeated ccleaner, no more issues, no problems. Then once I was sure
> all was well I re-imaged the drive, ran ccleaner, no problems found, and
> all is well since.
>
> Why you would bother to run a trgistry cleaner immediately after a clean
> install is beyond me, though. Talk about a waste of time! But, speaking
> of waste ...
>
> If you want to actually help people out in this area, why don't you test
> and identify a set of reliable applications and/or offer to give an
> opinion on whether a chosen one is reliable or not?
> But you won't; it's easier to just parrot your closed minded attitude
> that apparently knows very little about the subject. If you were really
> knowledgeable, you would also consider normal day to day read/write
> sources to the registry and explain how you excuse those when you posit
> that anything that touches the registry is bunk? How do you justify
> allowing that to happen? I've actually encountered more MS-caused
> registry problems over the years than I have from non-MS applications that
> use the registry in similar manners.
>
> These aren't for you; they're for the many who enjoy follosing this kind
> of link and who might like a little information on the subject. Even with
> their own built in biases, these links are a breath of fresh air compared
> to yours.
>
> http://download.iolo.net/articles/Registry1.pdf
>
> http://www.raxco.com/products/perfectdiskRxSuite/PDRXSuite_wp.pdf
>
> Twayne
>
>
>
>

 

[Plato]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

Daddy wrote:
>
> If you're really planning on erasing your hard disk and reinstalling Windows from scratch, here's a fun exercise to try:

Are you new to PC trouble shooting?

 

[klunk]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!



"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 03:50:57 +0100, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>
>> Twaddle.
>>
>> I approve every single registry change that is made.
>>
>> If I don't approve it, no change is made.
>>
>> Perfectly safe.
>
> I don't need a registry cleaner to recommend changes which I then have to
> approve. Unless I have some indication that there is a registry change
> needed, I don't make changes. I've got a few "dead" keys. I don't see how
> they make any difference.
>
> Any tool which offers suggested changes is dangerous in the hands of those
> who don't know what the tool does. Anybody who does know what the registry
> cleaner is recommending, probably doesn't even need the cleaner.

I do know what the cleaners are recommending and I would not live without
their very valuable service.... but I could do without the registry
altogether... it's nothing more than an unwieldy headache as an attempt to
institute control over the o/s while doing nothing but adding an unnecessary
layer of time-wasting administration without providing any additional
security while just bogging everything down with a ridiculous amount of
system overhead...

okay... I've had my rant... I'm just here to find out what happened to
express' "block sender" feature in live mail... I would have thought it
would be easier to killfile idiots on usenut with more features, but if
"message rules" is supposed to be the "updated solution"... then this just
irks me that much more...


> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

 

[seo@digeus.com]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

Why don't just try to use registry cleaner?
I use it on a regular basis and it never crashed my pc if I do
everything correctly.


Reference:
http://www.digeus.com

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT), seo@digeus.com wrote:

> Why don't just try to use registry cleaner?
> I use it on a regular basis and it never crashed my pc if I do
> everything correctly.


Using one is a very bad idea. Using a registry cleaner doesn't
guarantee a problem, but it greatly increases the risk of getting a
problem. It's a very bad thing to do. Here's my standard message about
them:

Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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[John Barnett MVP]

Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!

Registry cleaners generally cause more problems than they cure. My
philosophy on the registry is quite simple: If you are not competent enough
to edit the registry manually, then leave well alone.


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<seo@digeus.com> wrote in message
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> Why don't just try to use registry cleaner?
> I use it on a regular basis and it never crashed my pc if I do
> everything correctly.
>
>
> Reference:
> http://www.digeus.com