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Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista - the
latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.

The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend again
the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer Windows
users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on new
machines. The Reg said Microsoft had moved the downgrade cut-off date from
January 31, 2009 to July 31, 2009.

I asked Microsoft about the Reg's report and got this statement, via a
company spokesperson:

"As more customers make the move to Windows Vista, we want to make sure
that they are making that transition with confidence and that it is as
smooth as possible. Providing downgrade media for a few more months is part
of that commitment, as is the Windows Vista Small Business Assurance program
(available in the U.S. only), which provides 1-on-1, customized support for
our small business customers."

In other words, the Reg's story was correct.

The spokesperson sent further clarification:

"What's changing is Microsoft is giving six more months where it will
provide downgrade media for XP Professional for OEMs and system builders to
provide to their customers who purchase Windows Vista Ultimate and Business
editions - (which the company figures will be) largely going to be small
businesses since that's the audience that would want/use XP Pro. So it's the
same old downgrade right thing that was in the EULA (End User License
Agreement) before; it's just Microsoft is providing the media to partners a
few months more."

"The same caveat with providing the downgrade media as before applies,
which is OEMs and system builders don't have to do so if they don't want -
it's their business decision to make."

Microsoft has extended XP's end-of-life date before. In Apri 2008 l,
Microsoft officials said the company was not going to extend again the date
on which it required OEMs to stop preloading XP on new machines. That date
was June 30, 2008. Microsoft did say that system builders, a k a white box
vendors, would be allowed to continue to preload XP on new systems until
January 31, 2009. OEMs and system builders both were OK'd to continue
preloading XP on new ultra-low-cost systems through 2010, as many of those
systems were and are incapable of running Vista.

Bottom line: Even though Microsoft is maintaining publicly that Vista is
finally ready for prime time, it is allowing PC makers to continue to offer
customers XP. So what's a user to believe? Is Microsoft really standing
behind Vista? And if it's not - but instead is doing what customers really
want (while simply giving lip-service to Vista's readiness - is that still a
positive?
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

All I can say to this is that MANY of the "leading" OEM laptops sold in the
fall/winter of 2007 do not run Vista well.
1. First problem -- Processor and memory speeds & amount of memory. (Most
laptops use part of System RAM for Video RAM, and it may be a significant
amount.)

2. Video and sound drivers (combined with "dual core" processors ) Quite a
few of the laptops develop "stuttering" that is usually sound, although some
also have the same problem with video. Seems that the affected laptops were
released with 32bit Vista versions, and there was no upgrade path to 64bit,
due to lack of drivers. The Video drivers are just now being updated enough
to permit fair (low option) game play of the newer graphics intensive games.
DX10 is another issue in the same general area. The "Classic" mode seems to
be almost mandatory if reasonable speed is to be maintained.

3. An additional problem is that win XP drivers may not be available for
these laptops.

I believe that XP should have one more "final" release, fully patched &
SP'd, and be available to the public as either a "downgrade", or an
upgrade/refresh for existing systems.


"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1619
>
> Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista - the
> latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>
> The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend
> again the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer
> Windows users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP
> on new machines. The Reg said Microsoft had moved the downgrade cut-off
> date from January 31, 2009 to July 31, 2009.
>
> I asked Microsoft about the Reg's report and got this statement, via a
> company spokesperson:
>
> "As more customers make the move to Windows Vista, we want to make
> sure that they are making that transition with confidence and that it is
> as smooth as possible. Providing downgrade media for a few more months is
> part of that commitment, as is the Windows Vista Small Business Assurance
> program (available in the U.S. only), which provides 1-on-1, customized
> support for our small business customers."
>
> In other words, the Reg's story was correct.
>
> The spokesperson sent further clarification:
>
> "What's changing is Microsoft is giving six more months where it will
> provide downgrade media for XP Professional for OEMs and system builders
> to provide to their customers who purchase Windows Vista Ultimate and
> Business editions - (which the company figures will be) largely going to
> be small businesses since that's the audience that would want/use XP Pro.
> So it's the same old downgrade right thing that was in the EULA (End User
> License Agreement) before; it's just Microsoft is providing the media to
> partners a few months more."
>
> "The same caveat with providing the downgrade media as before applies,
> which is OEMs and system builders don't have to do so if they don't want -
> it's their business decision to make."
>
> Microsoft has extended XP's end-of-life date before. In Apri 2008 l,
> Microsoft officials said the company was not going to extend again the
> date on which it required OEMs to stop preloading XP on new machines. That
> date was June 30, 2008. Microsoft did say that system builders, a k a
> white box vendors, would be allowed to continue to preload XP on new
> systems until January 31, 2009. OEMs and system builders both were OK'd to
> continue preloading XP on new ultra-low-cost systems through 2010, as many
> of those systems were and are incapable of running Vista.
>
> Bottom line: Even though Microsoft is maintaining publicly that Vista is
> finally ready for prime time, it is allowing PC makers to continue to
> offer customers XP. So what's a user to believe? Is Microsoft really
> standing behind Vista? And if it's not - but instead is doing what
> customers really want (while simply giving lip-service to Vista's
> readiness - is that still a positive?
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months


are you guys just cynical? Maybe microsoft are offering customer support
to all the people who find Vista 'scary' and want to go back to XP. I
remember the transition from 98SE to XP was a similar feeling!


--
VistaLava
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

I don't find it scary, I just don't like it.
I know it quite well, it's just poorly designed and implemented in my
opinion.
Those that do like it are more than welcome to it.
I use it enough to stay familiar because I have to support it when I repair
computers.
But in over 3.5 years of using it, it keeps giving me reasons to dislike it,
it hasn't grown on me at all.

"VistaLava" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:ff035299901150306d41c80c6f05fff8@nntp-gateway.com...
>
> are you guys just cynical? Maybe microsoft are offering customer support
> to all the people who find Vista 'scary' and want to go back to XP. I
> remember the transition from 98SE to XP was a similar feeling!
>
>
> --
> VistaLava
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months


"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>
>
> Bottom line:


That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.

- Vista Cabal
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

Vista Cabal wrote:
> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>
>>
>> Bottom line:

>
> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>
> - Vista Cabal
>
>


And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
Microsoft has ever made.

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

windows vista is worse.

Microsoft Bob never took off
and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted winMe
and installed win98 back.

But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately being
spread like a bad disease!

Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have them
use the downgrade rights to
have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
warrantee is void....

You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that is
doing this.


"Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
> Vista Cabal wrote:
>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>
>>>
>>> Bottom line:

>>
>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>
>> - Vista Cabal

>
> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
> Microsoft has ever made.
>
> Alias
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

>Try to get the DELL model you want and have them use the downgrade rights
>to
> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT!


The following links are for example and I am sure you can find other models:

http://www.dell.com/business/deskto...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344

http://www.dell.com/content/product...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344

> Plus if you do it yourself the warrantee is void....


I can be wrong but if I remember correctly, their warranty covers hardware
only, and most of the time, they will ask you to remove HDD before ship back
to factory.

Hope this helps.



"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> windows vista is worse.
>
> Microsoft Bob never took off
> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
> winMe and installed win98 back.
>
> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
> being spread like a bad disease!
>
> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have them
> use the downgrade rights to
> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
> warrantee is void....
>
> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that is
> doing this.
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line:
>>>
>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>
>>> - Vista Cabal

>>
>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>
>> Alias

>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months


"Chuck" <cdkuder@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ec9Su1cJJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> All I can say to this is that MANY of the "leading" OEM laptops sold in
> the fall/winter of 2007 do not run Vista well.
> 1. First problem -- Processor and memory speeds & amount of memory. (Most
> laptops use part of System RAM for Video RAM, and it may be a significant
> amount.)


While my system isn't a laptop, it is a Q6600 quad processor and 8GB of RAM
with 2 500GB SATA drives. And it is pig slow at network and disk to disk
copy.

> 2. Video and sound drivers (combined with "dual core" processors ) Quite
> a few of the laptops develop "stuttering" that is usually sound, although
> some also have the same problem with video. Seems that the affected
> laptops were released with 32bit Vista versions, and there was no upgrade
> path to 64bit, due to lack of drivers. The Video drivers are just now
> being updated enough to permit fair (low option) game play of the newer
> graphics intensive games. DX10 is another issue in the same general area.
> The "Classic" mode seems to be almost mandatory if reasonable speed is to
> be maintained.


A flaw in Vista's design. You shouldn't need a super computer to run the
graphics. And they are not without issues either, noisy fans, heat, power,
drivers...

> 3. An additional problem is that win XP drivers may not be available for
> these laptops.


Actually, they usually are. It would be more accurate to state your vendor
does not want to support their use and isn't telling you where to get them.

For example, I go to Intel and slip stream in the XP drivers and back to
much faster XP. But the vendor will not tell you that as a rule. Probably
because of their M$ agreements and predatory pricing.

> I believe that XP should have one more "final" release, fully patched &
> SP'd, and be available to the public as either a "downgrade", or an
> upgrade/refresh for existing systems.


Agreed. But for customers to get what they want a few ego's at M$ need to
be fixed.


> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1619
>>
>> Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista -
>> the latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>>
>> The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend
>> again the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to
>> offer Windows users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from
>> Vista to XP on new machines. The Reg said Microsoft had moved the
>> downgrade cut-off date from January 31, 2009 to July 31, 2009.
>>
>> I asked Microsoft about the Reg's report and got this statement, via a
>> company spokesperson:
>>
>> "As more customers make the move to Windows Vista, we want to make
>> sure that they are making that transition with confidence and that it is
>> as smooth as possible. Providing downgrade media for a few more months is
>> part of that commitment, as is the Windows Vista Small Business Assurance
>> program (available in the U.S. only), which provides 1-on-1, customized
>> support for our small business customers."
>>
>> In other words, the Reg's story was correct.
>>
>> The spokesperson sent further clarification:
>>
>> "What's changing is Microsoft is giving six more months where it will
>> provide downgrade media for XP Professional for OEMs and system builders
>> to provide to their customers who purchase Windows Vista Ultimate and
>> Business editions - (which the company figures will be) largely going to
>> be small businesses since that's the audience that would want/use XP Pro.
>> So it's the same old downgrade right thing that was in the EULA (End User
>> License Agreement) before; it's just Microsoft is providing the media to
>> partners a few months more."
>>
>> "The same caveat with providing the downgrade media as before
>> applies, which is OEMs and system builders don't have to do so if they
>> don't want - it's their business decision to make."
>>
>> Microsoft has extended XP's end-of-life date before. In Apri 2008 l,
>> Microsoft officials said the company was not going to extend again the
>> date on which it required OEMs to stop preloading XP on new machines.
>> That date was June 30, 2008. Microsoft did say that system builders, a k
>> a white box vendors, would be allowed to continue to preload XP on new
>> systems until January 31, 2009. OEMs and system builders both were OK'd
>> to continue preloading XP on new ultra-low-cost systems through 2010, as
>> many of those systems were and are incapable of running Vista.
>>
>> Bottom line: Even though Microsoft is maintaining publicly that Vista is
>> finally ready for prime time, it is allowing PC makers to continue to
>> offer customers XP. So what's a user to believe? Is Microsoft really
>> standing behind Vista? And if it's not - but instead is doing what
>> customers really want (while simply giving lip-service to Vista's
>> readiness - is that still a positive?

>
>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

There are a few models (not many).. but as I said,

If you would like for example the xps720 desktop with XP, now you cant get
it.

Period! No downgrade rights no nothing!

"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:e27RipjJJHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>Try to get the DELL model you want and have them use the downgrade rights
>>to
>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT!

>
> The following links are for example and I am sure you can find other
> models:
>
> http://www.dell.com/business/deskto...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>
> http://www.dell.com/content/product...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>
>> Plus if you do it yourself the warrantee is void....

>
> I can be wrong but if I remember correctly, their warranty covers hardware
> only, and most of the time, they will ask you to remove HDD before ship
> back to factory.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> windows vista is worse.
>>
>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>
>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>
>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>> them use the downgrade rights to
>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
>> warrantee is void....
>>
>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that is
>> doing this.
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>
>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>
>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>
>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>
>>> Alias

>>

>
>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

its not the best, and it's the worse MODERN os

"Frank" <frank@nopam.org> wrote in message news:gc81je$8q0$1@aioe.org...
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line:
>>>
>>>
>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>
>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>

>>
>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>

>
> Liar!
> Vista is the very best OS available today.
> You don't have nor have you ever used Vista.
> You are a known and admitted lying linux troll.
> Get lost troll.
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

I bought a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop at Wal-Mart for $550 last Christmas.
After fighting with Vista for a month or two I had no trouble getting an OEM
copy of XP from Amazon marketplace for $35 or so. I have it dual booted
with Vista now. Sometimes I run Vista for an hour or two "for a laugh". As
far as I can see, it doesn't have anything that XP didn't except more ways
to annoy the customer. Lots more ways.

--
Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx

"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> windows vista is worse.
>
> Microsoft Bob never took off
> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
> winMe and installed win98 back.
>
> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
> being spread like a bad disease!
>
> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have them
> use the downgrade rights to
> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
> warrantee is void....
>
> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that is
> doing this.
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line:
>>>
>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>
>>> - Vista Cabal

>>
>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>
>> Alias

>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

Since you still have vista on the machine I would think that if the hard
drive was functional still you would wipe out the XP partition and send it
for repair, no harm done....

This is a work around that I have advised some people to do In the case of
dells and other stupid computers that void their warrantee if someone
installs a different OS (dual booting the original OS (vista) with the much
better stable and faster OS (XP) so that the original OS is not lost.





"Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
news:udO5WpkJJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> I bought a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop at Wal-Mart for $550 last Christmas.
> After fighting with Vista for a month or two I had no trouble getting an
> OEM copy of XP from Amazon marketplace for $35 or so. I have it dual
> booted with Vista now. Sometimes I run Vista for an hour or two "for a
> laugh". As far as I can see, it doesn't have anything that XP didn't
> except more ways to annoy the customer. Lots more ways.
>
> --
> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>
> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> windows vista is worse.
>>
>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>
>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>
>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>> them use the downgrade rights to
>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
>> warrantee is void....
>>
>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that is
>> doing this.
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>
>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>
>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>
>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>
>>> Alias

>>

>
>
 
Re: lying-sack-of-**** - franko - sheep - munch wrote:

Re: lying-sack-of-**** - franko - sheep - munch wrote:

the granter of sina wrote:
> that's funny coming from you...
>
> I remember one of the first times we talked about the true color of the
> "black" of the windows taskbar...


Liar! You never could admit that true RGB black does not exist in the
Vista desktop default appearance, remember?

> I pushed so many scientific facts up your ignorant arse that all you
> could say was "ill be watching you".


Sorry pal, you heard that from me!
Try dealing with the truth capin' crunch...just once ok?
 
capin' crunch, the real idiot moron loser wrote:

capin' crunch, the real idiot moron loser wrote:

capin' crunch, the real idiot moron loser wrote:

---------------------------

There is no RGB black in the default Vista desktop appearance.
Period!
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 08:20:19 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:
>
>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>
>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line:
>>>
>>>
>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>
>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>

>>
>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>

>
> Liar!
> Vista is the very best OS available today.
> You don't have nor have you ever used Vista.
> You are a known and admitted lying linux troll.
> Get lost troll.


You must have said good things about Linux and that is probably true.
Users who prefer Linux because it runs better, is more efficient, is more
secure, has many more useful features and is generally less troublesome
are also quick to point out the downside as well. Most of it has to due
with drivers and hardware support and the fact that there is not a
standard package manager and a standard way of installing folders but
hopefully it will happen.

I really do not have anything against Windows but I just do not feel like
spending my money there and also putting up with the poorly programmed and
run registry, security breaches and dumb copy protection that is not
benefit to customers.

So yes a Linux user has to be very careful when choosing hardware and may
not be able to use the hardware of their choice. That is why many Linux
occasionally dual boot to Windows.

But Da Jerk does not have tolerance for those people.
 
Re: lying-sack-of-**** - franko - sheep - munch wrote:

Re: lying-sack-of-**** - franko - sheep - munch wrote:

> Liar! You never could admit that true RGB black does not exist in the
> Vista desktop default appearance, remember?


I don't want to dizzy your small birdbrain with how the human mind percievs
color...

so let me do something far more simple so you can understand...

Yet all you need to do is have a brain

see here> http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5051/capturekw3.jpg

the fonts are black rgb = 000

lol


so I guess your ignorant arse is mistaken when you state:

> Liar! You never could admit that true RGB black does not exist in the
> Vista desktop default appearance, remember?


Since there is even rgb black.. although black as I said is an absence of
light thus its not actually a true color.


"Frank" <frank@nopam.org> wrote in message news:gc8hao$5df$1@aioe.org...
> the granter of sina wrote:
>> that's funny coming from you...
>>
>> I remember one of the first times we talked about the true color of the
>> "black" of the windows taskbar...

>
> Liar! You never could admit that true RGB black does not exist in the
> Vista desktop default appearance, remember?
>
>> I pushed so many scientific facts up your ignorant arse that all you
>> could say was "ill be watching you".

>
> Sorry pal, you heard that from me!
> Try dealing with the truth capin' crunch...just once ok?
 
Re: capin' crunch, the real idiot moron loser wrote:

Re: capin' crunch, the real idiot moron loser wrote:

> There is no RGB black in the default Vista desktop appearance.
> Period!


You are such a coward girly man that you may have periods.. yes...

I don't want to dizzy your small birdbrain with how the human mind perceives
color...

so let me do something far more simple so you can understand...

Yet all you need to do is have a brain

see here> http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5051/capturekw3.jpg

the fonts are black rgb = 000

lol


so I guess your ignorant arse is mistaken when you state:

> Liar! You never could admit that true RGB black does not exist in the
> Vista desktop default appearance, remember?


Since there is even rgb black.. although black as I said is an absence of
light thus its not actually a true color.


"Frank" <frank@nopam.org> wrote in message news:gc8hg4$5df$2@aioe.org...
> capin' crunch, the real idiot moron loser wrote:
>
> ---------------------------
>
> There is no RGB black in the default Vista desktop appearance.
> Period!
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

I don't think it is so much a question of voiding your warranty, but rather
of losing/not having available to you customer support. Believe me, I have
called Dell Technical Support and you don't need it. If something breaks
then you call the Warranty number or use the web site, give them your
Service Tag number, describe the symptoms and they send you a new one before
you can even tell them that DHL doesn't service your geographical area...

Of course I made a Ghost image of the Vista partition before putting XP on
it, but that is on a USB drive in the storage cabinet now. The copy of
Vista that I have available on the computer is a copy of Vista Business
without any of the Dell bloatware. Dells come with a really neat Recovery
partition too. It's a 10 GB partition big enough to boot Vista and hold an
image of the factory configuration and a program to restore it. If you
really, really become convinced that the computer has a warranty problem,
restore the computer to factory configuration, see if you were right and
send it back to them if so. Then when you get the replacement install XP on
that one.

When and if you install XP on one of these computers you become responsible
for your own Customer Support. But XP has been out for so long now with so
many "XP for Dummies" books that that should be a no brainer.

--
Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx

"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e7c75b@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> Since you still have vista on the machine I would think that if the hard
> drive was functional still you would wipe out the XP partition and send it
> for repair, no harm done....
>
> This is a work around that I have advised some people to do In the case of
> dells and other stupid computers that void their warrantee if someone
> installs a different OS (dual booting the original OS (vista) with the
> much better stable and faster OS (XP) so that the original OS is not lost.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
> news:udO5WpkJJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I bought a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop at Wal-Mart for $550 last Christmas.
>> After fighting with Vista for a month or two I had no trouble getting an
>> OEM copy of XP from Amazon marketplace for $35 or so. I have it dual
>> booted with Vista now. Sometimes I run Vista for an hour or two "for a
>> laugh". As far as I can see, it doesn't have anything that XP didn't
>> except more ways to annoy the customer. Lots more ways.
>>
>> --
>> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>>
>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> windows vista is worse.
>>>
>>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>>
>>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>>
>>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>>> them use the downgrade rights to
>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
>>> warrantee is void....
>>>
>>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that
>>> is doing this.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>>
>>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>

>>
>>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months


"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> windows vista is worse.
>
> Microsoft Bob never took off
> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted winMe and
> installed win98 back.


History. Since then they produced (just for the desktop), Window 2000 Pro, Windows
XP (Home, Pro, MCE), Vista, and on the drawing board Windows 7.

> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately being
> spread like a bad disease!


Conjecture!

> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have them use
> the downgrade rights to
> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
> warrantee is void....


Get a Toshiba instead, it comes with the XP recovery discs (as well as Vista).

> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that is doing
> this.


It's not a life threatening situation, it's worse when banks, oil cartels engage
in such practices, that has more impact on your life than an OS company. You do
have a choice of OS, pick one other than Vista.

- Vista Cabal

> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line:
>>>
>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>
>>> - Vista Cabal

>>
>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions Microsoft
>> has ever made.


History.

>> Alias

>
 
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