Windows Vista Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

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Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

>I don't think it is so much a question of voiding your warranty, but rather
>of losing/not having available to you customer support.

Right, and I believe that is based on Microsoft's OEM license agreement for
OEM (in this case, it's not Dell but the one installed the OS) has to
perform customer support. Warranty shouldn't be an issue.


"Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
news:%23cq067mJJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I don't think it is so much a question of voiding your warranty, but rather
>of losing/not having available to you customer support. Believe me, I have
>called Dell Technical Support and you don't need it. If something breaks
>then you call the Warranty number or use the web site, give them your
>Service Tag number, describe the symptoms and they send you a new one
>before you can even tell them that DHL doesn't service your geographical
>area...
>
> Of course I made a Ghost image of the Vista partition before putting XP on
> it, but that is on a USB drive in the storage cabinet now. The copy of
> Vista that I have available on the computer is a copy of Vista Business
> without any of the Dell bloatware. Dells come with a really neat Recovery
> partition too. It's a 10 GB partition big enough to boot Vista and hold
> an image of the factory configuration and a program to restore it. If you
> really, really become convinced that the computer has a warranty problem,
> restore the computer to factory configuration, see if you were right and
> send it back to them if so. Then when you get the replacement install XP
> on that one.
>
> When and if you install XP on one of these computers you become
> responsible for your own Customer Support. But XP has been out for so
> long now with so many "XP for Dummies" books that that should be a no
> brainer.
>
> --
> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>
> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
> news:48e7c75b@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> Since you still have vista on the machine I would think that if the hard
>> drive was functional still you would wipe out the XP partition and send
>> it for repair, no harm done....
>>
>> This is a work around that I have advised some people to do In the case
>> of dells and other stupid computers that void their warrantee if someone
>> installs a different OS (dual booting the original OS (vista) with the
>> much better stable and faster OS (XP) so that the original OS is not
>> lost.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
>> news:udO5WpkJJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> I bought a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop at Wal-Mart for $550 last
>>> Christmas. After fighting with Vista for a month or two I had no trouble
>>> getting an OEM copy of XP from Amazon marketplace for $35 or so. I have
>>> it dual booted with Vista now. Sometimes I run Vista for an hour or two
>>> "for a laugh". As far as I can see, it doesn't have anything that XP
>>> didn't except more ways to annoy the customer. Lots more ways.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>>>
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>> windows vista is worse.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>>>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>>>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>>>
>>>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>>>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>>>
>>>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>>>> them use the downgrade rights to
>>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
>>>> warrantee is void....
>>>>
>>>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that
>>>> is doing this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>>>
>>>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months


For the majorly of systems targeted for business use, they have XP except
for home and gaming systems, but with all due respect, I don't think that
it's reasonable for any system builder to provide all lines with XP (there
is so-called targeted purpose), and in this particular case, you might want
to be your own system builder.




"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e7a307$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> There are a few models (not many).. but as I said,
>
> If you would like for example the xps720 desktop with XP, now you cant get
> it.
>
> Period! No downgrade rights no nothing!
>
> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:e27RipjJJHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>Try to get the DELL model you want and have them use the downgrade rights
>>>to
>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT!
>>
>> The following links are for example and I am sure you can find other
>> models:
>>
>> http://www.dell.com/business/deskto...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>>
>> http://www.dell.com/content/product...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>>
>>> Plus if you do it yourself the warrantee is void....
>>
>> I can be wrong but if I remember correctly, their warranty covers
>> hardware only, and most of the time, they will ask you to remove HDD
>> before ship back to factory.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> windows vista is worse.
>>>
>>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>>
>>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>>
>>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>>> them use the downgrade rights to
>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
>>> warrantee is void....
>>>
>>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that
>>> is doing this.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>>
>>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>>
 
Re: lying-sack-of-**** - franko - sheep - munch wrote:

Re: lying-sack-of-**** - franko - sheep - munch wrote:

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:48:44 -0700, Frank <frank@nopam.org> wrote:

>the granter of sina wrote:
>> that's funny coming from you...
>>
>> I remember one of the first times we talked about the true color of the
>> "black" of the windows taskbar...
>
>Liar! You never could admit that true RGB black does not exist in the
>Vista desktop default appearance, remember?
>
>> I pushed so many scientific facts up your ignorant arse that all you
>> could say was "ill be watching you".
>
>Sorry pal, you heard that from me!
>Try dealing with the truth capin' crunch...just once ok?

Frank pretending he speaks the truth. That's a good one. You're the
biggest liar here. I trashed your dumb ass over and over with your RGB
bullshit. Like with so many topics you don't have a clue.
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

from what you 2 guys say its clear that you have no experience with the
matter.

I DO

"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:O0lbfVnJJHA.3460@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I don't think it is so much a question of voiding your warranty, but
>>rather of losing/not having available to you customer support.
>
> Right, and I believe that is based on Microsoft's OEM license agreement
> for OEM (in this case, it's not Dell but the one installed the OS) has to
> perform customer support. Warranty shouldn't be an issue.
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
> news:%23cq067mJJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I don't think it is so much a question of voiding your warranty, but
>>rather of losing/not having available to you customer support. Believe
>>me, I have called Dell Technical Support and you don't need it. If
>>something breaks then you call the Warranty number or use the web site,
>>give them your Service Tag number, describe the symptoms and they send you
>>a new one before you can even tell them that DHL doesn't service your
>>geographical area...
>>
>> Of course I made a Ghost image of the Vista partition before putting XP
>> on it, but that is on a USB drive in the storage cabinet now. The copy
>> of Vista that I have available on the computer is a copy of Vista
>> Business without any of the Dell bloatware. Dells come with a really
>> neat Recovery partition too. It's a 10 GB partition big enough to boot
>> Vista and hold an image of the factory configuration and a program to
>> restore it. If you really, really become convinced that the computer has
>> a warranty problem, restore the computer to factory configuration, see if
>> you were right and send it back to them if so. Then when you get the
>> replacement install XP on that one.
>>
>> When and if you install XP on one of these computers you become
>> responsible for your own Customer Support. But XP has been out for so
>> long now with so many "XP for Dummies" books that that should be a no
>> brainer.
>>
>> --
>> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>>
>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>> news:48e7c75b@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> Since you still have vista on the machine I would think that if the hard
>>> drive was functional still you would wipe out the XP partition and send
>>> it for repair, no harm done....
>>>
>>> This is a work around that I have advised some people to do In the case
>>> of dells and other stupid computers that void their warrantee if someone
>>> installs a different OS (dual booting the original OS (vista) with the
>>> much better stable and faster OS (XP) so that the original OS is not
>>> lost.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
>>> news:udO5WpkJJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> I bought a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop at Wal-Mart for $550 last
>>>> Christmas. After fighting with Vista for a month or two I had no
>>>> trouble getting an OEM copy of XP from Amazon marketplace for $35 or
>>>> so. I have it dual booted with Vista now. Sometimes I run Vista for
>>>> an hour or two "for a laugh". As far as I can see, it doesn't have
>>>> anything that XP didn't except more ways to annoy the customer. Lots
>>>> more ways.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>>>>
>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>> windows vista is worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>>>>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>>>>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>>>>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>>>>
>>>>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>>>>> them use the downgrade rights to
>>>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself
>>>>> the warrantee is void....
>>>>>
>>>>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that
>>>>> is doing this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>>>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

OK. If you wish to believe so :)

Good luck anyway.


"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e81ca5$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> from what you 2 guys say its clear that you have no experience with the
> matter.
>
> I DO
>
> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:O0lbfVnJJHA.3460@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>I don't think it is so much a question of voiding your warranty, but
>>>rather of losing/not having available to you customer support.
>>
>> Right, and I believe that is based on Microsoft's OEM license agreement
>> for OEM (in this case, it's not Dell but the one installed the OS) has to
>> perform customer support. Warranty shouldn't be an issue.
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
>> news:%23cq067mJJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>I don't think it is so much a question of voiding your warranty, but
>>>rather of losing/not having available to you customer support. Believe
>>>me, I have called Dell Technical Support and you don't need it. If
>>>something breaks then you call the Warranty number or use the web site,
>>>give them your Service Tag number, describe the symptoms and they send
>>>you a new one before you can even tell them that DHL doesn't service your
>>>geographical area...
>>>
>>> Of course I made a Ghost image of the Vista partition before putting XP
>>> on it, but that is on a USB drive in the storage cabinet now. The copy
>>> of Vista that I have available on the computer is a copy of Vista
>>> Business without any of the Dell bloatware. Dells come with a really
>>> neat Recovery partition too. It's a 10 GB partition big enough to boot
>>> Vista and hold an image of the factory configuration and a program to
>>> restore it. If you really, really become convinced that the computer
>>> has a warranty problem, restore the computer to factory configuration,
>>> see if you were right and send it back to them if so. Then when you get
>>> the replacement install XP on that one.
>>>
>>> When and if you install XP on one of these computers you become
>>> responsible for your own Customer Support. But XP has been out for so
>>> long now with so many "XP for Dummies" books that that should be a no
>>> brainer.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>>>
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e7c75b@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>> Since you still have vista on the machine I would think that if the
>>>> hard drive was functional still you would wipe out the XP partition and
>>>> send it for repair, no harm done....
>>>>
>>>> This is a work around that I have advised some people to do In the case
>>>> of dells and other stupid computers that void their warrantee if
>>>> someone installs a different OS (dual booting the original OS (vista)
>>>> with the much better stable and faster OS (XP) so that the original OS
>>>> is not lost.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
>>>> news:udO5WpkJJHA.1308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I bought a Dell Inspiron 1501 laptop at Wal-Mart for $550 last
>>>>> Christmas. After fighting with Vista for a month or two I had no
>>>>> trouble getting an OEM copy of XP from Amazon marketplace for $35 or
>>>>> so. I have it dual booted with Vista now. Sometimes I run Vista for
>>>>> an hour or two "for a laugh". As far as I can see, it doesn't have
>>>>> anything that XP didn't except more ways to annoy the customer. Lots
>>>>> more ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Earle Horton -- earleh@terra.comx
>>>>>
>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>> windows vista is worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>>>>>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>>>>>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its
>>>>>> deliberately being spread like a bad disease!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>>>>>> them use the downgrade rights to
>>>>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself
>>>>>> the warrantee is void....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista
>>>>>> that is doing this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst
>>>>>>> decisions Microsoft has ever made.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:29:01 -0600, "Canuck57"
<dave-no_spam@nospam.net> wrote:

>While my system isn't a laptop, it is a Q6600 quad processor and 8GB of RAM
>with 2 500GB SATA drives. And it is pig slow at network and disk to disk
>copy.

I don't do a lot of disk to disk, but Vista _is_ a pig on network
access. Getting to/from shares is pitiful compared to XP. A peek
around the newsgroups or the 'net will demonstrate that Vista's
networking just plain sucks all around, from the time you try to hook
up to the time you disconnect.
 
Re: lying-sack-of-**** capin' crunch wrote:

Re: lying-sack-of-**** capin' crunch wrote:

"the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
news:48e8d660@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> He is a troll, not an anti troll.
>
> He alone creates more noise than anyone by reeling people into long
> threads of flamewars
>
>
>
>
> "D. Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote in message
> news:gcak6h$csg$1@aioe.org...
>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>> news:48e8cfbb$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> frank is helpful?????
>>>
>>> His function is only that of newsgroup jester and clown...
>>>
>>> nothing else
>>>
>>
>>
>> You sure aren't a member of Mensa if you can't see why Frank does what he
>> does.
>> You've heard of the anti-Christ ?
>> He is the Anti-Troll.
>>
>> A 115_IQ could figure that one out !
>> Duh.
>>
>> --
>> Ens causa sui
>> Fit caedes omnibus locis
>


No....you start the post that initiate the flame wars.
Under various guises, you post BS blogger posts, google searches, and your
own moronic opinions.
Then you call them facts.

Then the fun begins !

--
Ens causa sui
Fit caedes omnibus locis
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

I recommend it. The deals for OEM software are too good to pass up. And in
the unlikely event that there is a problem with Microsoft software, you can
just consult the newsgroups for the solution.

Earle

"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OjkRLbnJJHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> For the majorly of systems targeted for business use, they have XP except
> for home and gaming systems, but with all due respect, I don't think that
> it's reasonable for any system builder to provide all lines with XP (there
> is so-called targeted purpose), and in this particular case, you might
> want to be your own system builder.
>
>
>
>
> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
> news:48e7a307$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> There are a few models (not many).. but as I said,
>>
>> If you would like for example the xps720 desktop with XP, now you cant
>> get it.
>>
>> Period! No downgrade rights no nothing!
>>
>> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:e27RipjJJHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>Try to get the DELL model you want and have them use the downgrade
>>>>rights to
>>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT!
>>>
>>> The following links are for example and I am sure you can find other
>>> models:
>>>
>>> http://www.dell.com/business/deskto...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>>>
>>> http://www.dell.com/content/product...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>>>
>>>> Plus if you do it yourself the warrantee is void....
>>>
>>> I can be wrong but if I remember correctly, their warranty covers
>>> hardware only, and most of the time, they will ask you to remove HDD
>>> before ship back to factory.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>> windows vista is worse.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>>>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>>>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>>>
>>>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>>>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>>>
>>>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>>>> them use the downgrade rights to
>>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself the
>>>> warrantee is void....
>>>>
>>>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that
>>>> is doing this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>>>
>>>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
 
Re: lying-sack-of-**** capin' crunch wrote:

Re: lying-sack-of-**** capin' crunch wrote:

D. Eth wrote:
> "Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
> news:1r1ie45flcbjugqtpe8rb21fqra9glkt75@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:07:43 -0400, "D. Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote:
>>
>>> "Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
>>> news:anshe4p4ucfjiapjp8bapk6b1jinisuugq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:48:05 -0400, "D. Eth" <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:d_%Fk.4320$rd1.3389@newsfe14.iad...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:gc8crd$jd6$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> Canuck57 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't tell Frank,...
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Like I really give a fukk what you or your employer does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Um, Frank, it's spelled F-U-C-K.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank can't spell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Might want to look at how you misspelled intelligent above.
>>>>> Idiot !
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should take a remedial class in grammar. You being a idiot
>>>> keep adding space before you exclamation mark. What a toad!
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a shadow !
>>> You trying to win something here ?
>>> A quewpie doll ?
>>
>> I'm just showing the latest fool to join this newsgroup is a moron.
>> In case you didn't get it, I'm of course referring to you.
>>
>
>
> I wish Frank would get his ass in here.
> Kooks Gone Wild must be playing in theatres
>

Funny how when you're here, Frank isn't and when Frank's here you aren't.

Hmmmm.

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

If you're ordering 50+ machines, Dell will do just about any model with XP.
But if you're just getting one, you have to take what they offer.

"Earle Horton" <earleh@terra.comx> wrote in message
news:e81yOKxJJHA.728@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I recommend it. The deals for OEM software are too good to pass up. And
>in the unlikely event that there is a problem with Microsoft software, you
>can just consult the newsgroups for the solution.
>
> Earle
>
> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OjkRLbnJJHA.3644@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> For the majorly of systems targeted for business use, they have XP except
>> for home and gaming systems, but with all due respect, I don't think that
>> it's reasonable for any system builder to provide all lines with XP
>> (there is so-called targeted purpose), and in this particular case, you
>> might want to be your own system builder.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>> news:48e7a307$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> There are a few models (not many).. but as I said,
>>>
>>> If you would like for example the xps720 desktop with XP, now you cant
>>> get it.
>>>
>>> Period! No downgrade rights no nothing!
>>>
>>> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e27RipjJJHA.3680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>Try to get the DELL model you want and have them use the downgrade
>>>>>rights to
>>>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT!
>>>>
>>>> The following links are for example and I am sure you can find other
>>>> models:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dell.com/business/deskto...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/product...=Vista with Downgrade to XP&a=80770~0~1791344
>>>>
>>>>> Plus if you do it yourself the warrantee is void....
>>>>
>>>> I can be wrong but if I remember correctly, their warranty covers
>>>> hardware only, and most of the time, they will ask you to remove HDD
>>>> before ship back to factory.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>> news:48e77f47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>> windows vista is worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft Bob never took off
>>>>> and windowsMe was ignored because without WGA everyone just formatted
>>>>> winMe and installed win98 back.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Vista is being forced down everyone's throats and its deliberately
>>>>> being spread like a bad disease!
>>>>>
>>>>> Downgrade rights my FOOT! Try to get the DELL model you want and have
>>>>> them use the downgrade rights to
>>>>> have XP on the machine! THEY WONT DO IT! Plus if you do it yourself
>>>>> the warrantee is void....
>>>>>
>>>>> You see its MS's pressure on to companies like DELL to push vista that
>>>>> is doing this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:gc7mob$olo$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Vista Cabal wrote:
>>>>>>> "the granter of sina" <granter@yan.sina> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:48e6d370@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>>> MS knows Vista is crap lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottom line:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's precisely it, it's a business descision, not a crap one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Vista Cabal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, next to Windows Me and Microsoft Bob, one of the worst decisions
>>>>>> Microsoft has ever made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
> Ramesh Kumar MVP wrote:
>> Wise move...
>>
>>
>
> Who are you replying to?!
>

Must be me ;-)

Alias
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

the granter of sina wrote:
>
> Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista - the
> latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>
> The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend again
> the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer Windows
> users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on new

I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a
neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up
with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I
went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get
in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_
you could get a _downgrade_ to XP.

Too weird for me. I closed the page.

--
http://www.bootdisk.com/
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

Chuck wrote:
>
> 1. First problem -- Processor and memory speeds & amount of memory. (Most
> laptops use part of System RAM for Video RAM, and it may be a significant
> amount.)

I believe all, most all, laptops use system ram for video ram, as do
most new desktops.

--
http://www.bootdisk.com/
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months


"Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
news:48ec55a2$0$272$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
> the granter of sina wrote:
>>
>> Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista -
>> the
>> latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>>
>> The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend
>> again
>> the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer
>> Windows
>> users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on
>> new
>
> I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a
> neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up
> with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I
> went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get
> in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_
> you could get a _downgrade_ to XP.
>
> Too weird for me. I closed the page.

If you had read and understood the offer i.e.
You get two OS - Vista and WinXP CDs.
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:19:35 +1000, "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>If you had read and understood the offer i.e.
>You get two OS - Vista and WinXP CDs.

The point is that most of us don't want Vista, so we're effectively
paying an extra $100 to get XP. Dell knows that, and is gouging out
$100 if you want XP.
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months



+Bob+ wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:19:35 +1000, "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>If you had read and understood the offer i.e.
>>You get two OS - Vista and WinXP CDs.
>
>
> The point is that most of us don't want Vista, so we're effectively
> paying an extra $100 to get XP. Dell knows that, and is gouging out
> $100 if you want XP.
>

Actually, the point is that you aren't buying XP, only Vista, and if you
insist on having XP installed instead as a special option you will pay
for the adder.
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

+Bob+ wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:19:35 +1000, "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
>>If you had read and understood the offer i.e.
>>You get two OS - Vista and WinXP CDs.
>
>
> The point is that most of us don't want Vista, so we're effectively
> paying an extra $100 to get XP.

"...most of us..."?

I've seen less than 10-15 posters in here wanting or threating to go
back to XP.
Hardly qualifies as "most of us".

Dell knows that, and is gouging out
> $100 if you want XP.

So that is MS's fault?

Grow up bob!
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

Plato wrote:

> the granter of sina wrote:
>
>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista - the
>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>>
>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend again
>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer Windows
>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on new
>
>
> I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a
> neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up
> with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I
> went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get
> in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_
> you could get a _downgrade_ to XP.
>
> Too weird for me. I closed the page.
>
"Downgrade" is the operative word.
But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything?
Are there that many stupid people out there?
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

Frank wrote:

> Plato wrote:
>
>> the granter of sina wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista
>>> - the
>>> latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>>>
>>> The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend
>>> again
>>> the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer
>>> Windows
>>> users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on
>>> new
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a
>> neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up
>> with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I
>> went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get
>> in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_
>> you could get a _downgrade_ to XP.
>>
>> Too weird for me. I closed the page.
>
> "Downgrade" is the operative word.
> But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything?
> Are there that many stupid people out there?

You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business
license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of
the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different
Server versions. No one says you have to pay an OEM to do this for you
but it is up to you to supply the previous version installation media
and to make sure that drivers for the older version are available for
the new hardware, so sometimes paying the OEM may be easier than doing
it yourself or it may give the buyer a reassurance that the hardware
will work with the older operating system and that it will be guaranteed
and supported by the OEM.

Why would business customers want downgrade rights? Perhaps if you were
administering several hundred or several thousand workstations you might
find that it is easier to maintain your machines if they all have the
same operating system. Or maybe you have specialized applications or
custom software that was designed to run on Windows XP but that doesn't
work so well on the newer Windows version, changing the older or custom
applications may not be a feasible option at this particular time so you
might instead exercise your downgrade rights, for business customers
this is not something that is as stupid as some might think. As I said
above, this is nothing new, it's been around for a while and it is aimed
at corporate clients, most people misunderstand the purpose of the
downgrade rights but if they so chose to exercise it it is theirs to
exercise if they buy business versions of the operating system.

John
 

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