Windows Vista Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

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Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

On Oct 9, 10:42 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> nemo wrote:
> > On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>
> >>Frank wrote:
>
> >>>Plato wrote:
>
> >>>>the granter of sina wrote:
>
> >>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista
> >>>>>- the
> >>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>
> >>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend
> >>>>>again
> >>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer
> >>>>>Windows
> >>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on
> >>>>>new
>
> >>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a
> >>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up
> >>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I
> >>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get
> >>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_
> >>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP.
>
> >>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page.
>
> >>>"Downgrade" is the operative word.
> >>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything?
> >>>Are there that many stupid people out there?
>
> >>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business
> >>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of
> >>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different
> >>Server versions.  
>
> > So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my
> > options?
>
> Downgrade rights are not extended to the Home versions, you should ask
> the laptop vendor if there are XP drivers for the machine, if they
> support installing XP on the machine you will then have to find an XP
> copy out there somewhere.
>
> > Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly
> > *ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS.
>
> You're assertion that *ALL* laptops come with only a choice of Vista
> Home is certainly at odds with my experience.  Laptops are more
> frequently purchased for business or work purposes and the the frequent
> need to join them to domains has always and still makes business
> versions of Windows the preferred operating system for these machines.
> If you can't find laptops being offered with Vista Business you aren't
> looking too hard or you are looking at the wrong places!
>
> John

I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I
said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version. The
machine I bought only came with the Home version. Other machines only
come with the Business version. I did find that Dell offers a
selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with
a corresponding wait). When buying retail, I did not see more than
one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I
would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more. Yes, I guess I had a
choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I
would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last
three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP? Is there some reason that
MS needs to break software?
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

The date and time was 10/10/2008 9:34 AM, and on a whim, nemo pounded
out on the keyboard:

>
> I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I
> said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version. The
> machine I bought only came with the Home version. Other machines only
> come with the Business version. I did find that Dell offers a
> selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with
> a corresponding wait). When buying retail, I did not see more than
> one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I
> would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more. Yes, I guess I had a
> choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I
> would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last
> three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP? Is there some reason that
> MS needs to break software?

Hi Nemo,

Because without the constant upgrade cycle, they wouldn't be in business.

They don't like users like you and me, who use it up, wear it out, make
due, or do without.

I was perfectly happy using W2K (and still have a partition of it). I
only installed XP (at the time) so I could advise clients who were
moving from Win9x. I now use it more than any other OS I have
installed, but have found no reason to install Vista. The one or two
clients that purchased a new computer with it pre-installed hasn't been
any reason to cause me to put it on any workstations here.

--
Terry R.

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Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months



nemo wrote:
> On Oct 9, 10:42 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>
>>nemo wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>>>>Plato wrote:
>>
>>>>>>the granter of sina wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista
>>>>>>>- the
>>>>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>>
>>>>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend
>>>>>>>again
>>>>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer
>>>>>>>Windows
>>>>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on
>>>>>>>new
>>
>>>>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a
>>>>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up
>>>>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I
>>>>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get
>>>>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_
>>>>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP.
>>
>>>>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page.
>>
>>>>>"Downgrade" is the operative word.
>>>>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything?
>>>>>Are there that many stupid people out there?
>>
>>>>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business
>>>>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of
>>>>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different
>>>>Server versions.
>>
>>>So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my
>>>options?
>>
>>Downgrade rights are not extended to the Home versions, you should ask
>>the laptop vendor if there are XP drivers for the machine, if they
>>support installing XP on the machine you will then have to find an XP
>>copy out there somewhere.
>>
>>
>>>Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly
>>>*ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS.
>>
>>You're assertion that *ALL* laptops come with only a choice of Vista
>>Home is certainly at odds with my experience. Laptops are more
>>frequently purchased for business or work purposes and the the frequent
>>need to join them to domains has always and still makes business
>>versions of Windows the preferred operating system for these machines.
>>If you can't find laptops being offered with Vista Business you aren't
>>looking too hard or you are looking at the wrong places!
>>
>>John
>
>
> I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I
> said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version. The
> machine I bought only came with the Home version. Other machines only
> come with the Business version. I did find that Dell offers a
> selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with
> a corresponding wait). When buying retail, I did not see more than
> one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I
> would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more. Yes, I guess I had a
> choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I
> would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last
> three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP? Is there some reason that
> MS needs to break software?

just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system
prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does
the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the
the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security
holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the
software provider tech support.
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

On Oct 10, 1:00 pm, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> nemo wrote:
> > On Oct 9, 10:42 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>
> >>nemo wrote:
>
> >>>On Oct 8, 11:05 am, "John John (MVP)" <audetw...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>
> >>>>Frank wrote:
>
> >>>>>Plato wrote:
>
> >>>>>>the granter of sina wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista
> >>>>>>>- the
> >>>>>>>latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
>
> >>>>>>>The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend
> >>>>>>>again
> >>>>>>>the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer
> >>>>>>>Windows
> >>>>>>>users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on
> >>>>>>>new
>
> >>>>>>I'm also a bit confused. The other Sunday I was watching NASCAR with a
> >>>>>>neighbor and was considering bringing my laptop over after signing up
> >>>>>>with their special service, which required a high end pc/laptop, so I
> >>>>>>went to Dell and looked for laptops as it was about time for me to get
> >>>>>>in shape, and they all seemed to come with Vista, but for $100 _more_
> >>>>>>you could get a _downgrade_ to XP.
>
> >>>>>>Too weird for me. I closed the page.
>
> >>>>>"Downgrade" is the operative word.
> >>>>>But why would anyone pay $100 to "downgrade" anything?
> >>>>>Are there that many stupid people out there?
>
> >>>>You don't have to pay to downgrade, it's part of the Vista business
> >>>>license as it was part of the XP Professional license as it was part of
> >>>>the Windows 2000 Professional license as it is and was part of different
> >>>>Server versions.  
>
> >>>So if the laptop I bought came with a Home version, what are my
> >>>options?
>
> >>Downgrade rights are not extended to the Home versions, you should ask
> >>the laptop vendor if there are XP drivers for the machine, if they
> >>support installing XP on the machine you will then have to find an XP
> >>copy out there somewhere.
>
> >>>Unfortunately most PCs sold in the US, and certainly nearly
> >>>*ALL* laptops, come with a choice of exactly one version of the OS.
>
> >>You're assertion that *ALL* laptops come with only a choice of Vista
> >>Home is certainly at odds with my experience.  Laptops are more
> >>frequently purchased for business or work purposes and the the frequent
> >>need to join them to domains has always and still makes business
> >>versions of Windows the preferred operating system for these machines.
> >>If you can't find laptops being offered with Vista Business you aren't
> >>looking too hard or you are looking at the wrong places!
>
> >>John
>
> > I didn't say *all* laptops are only available with the Home version, I
> > said nearly all laptops are available with only *one* version.  The
> > machine I bought only came with the Home version.  Other machines only
> > come with the Business version.  I did find that Dell offers a
> > selection of OS, but that is because they custom build machines (with
> > a corresponding wait).  When buying retail, I did not see more than
> > one choice of OS on any given machine and to get the Business Vista I
> > would have had to pay some $300 or $400 more.  Yes, I guess I had a
> > choice, but how was I to know that Vista worked so badly and that I
> > would not be able to use my existing apps that have run on the last
> > three versions of Windows, NT, 2000 and XP?  Is there some reason that
> > MS needs to break software?
>
> just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system
> prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does
> the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the
> the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security
> holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the
> software provider tech support.

How do you know that without even knowing what the software is???
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:00:41 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system
>prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does
>the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the
>the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security
>holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the
>software provider tech support.

It's not "accessing the kernel" issues that cause many of the
problems. The issue is outright incompatibility in other parts of the
OS - often with MS's own application software. If developers were so
"wrong" to do what they did then one has to wonder why MS's own
software labs were doing many of the same things. The bottom line is
that they just didn't care about compatibility. In addition, instead
of building a secure OS, they put band aids on an old OS architecture
that has serious problems. Not to mention, they did break many other
things that use to work well, like networking.

There's a reason that most every large corporation forced their users
to upgrade to 95, then NT, then win2K, then XP - and that most of them
have specifically chosen NOT to upgrade to Vista. See if you can
figure out the why.
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

+Bob+ wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:00:41 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system
>>prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does
>>the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the
>>the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security
>>holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the
>>software provider tech support.
>
>
> It's not "accessing the kernel" issues that cause many of the
> problems. The issue is outright incompatibility in other parts of the
> OS - often with MS's own application software. If developers were so
> "wrong" to do what they did then one has to wonder why MS's own
> software labs were doing many of the same things. The bottom line is
> that they just didn't care about compatibility. In addition, instead
> of building a secure OS, they put band aids on an old OS architecture
> that has serious problems. Not to mention, they did break many other
> things that use to work well, like networking.
>
> There's a reason that most every large corporation forced their users
> to upgrade to 95, then NT, then win2K, then XP - and that most of them
> have specifically chosen NOT to upgrade to Vista. See if you can
> figure out the why.
>
>
>
>
>
>
"Bullshit bob" rides again!
 
Re: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:04:50 -0700, Frank <fab@notspam.cmm> wrote:

>+Bob+ wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:00:41 -0500, Bob I <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>just as the transition from a DOS based operating system to NT system
>>>prevented software that directly accessed hardware from working, so does
>>>the security changes in Vista prevent those software from accessing the
>>>the kernel. MS didn't break the software, it merely closed the security
>>>holes. That your software ceases to work should be taken up with the
>>>software provider tech support.
>>
>>
>> It's not "accessing the kernel" issues that cause many of the
>> problems. The issue is outright incompatibility in other parts of the
>> OS - often with MS's own application software. If developers were so
>> "wrong" to do what they did then one has to wonder why MS's own
>> software labs were doing many of the same things. The bottom line is
>> that they just didn't care about compatibility. In addition, instead
>> of building a secure OS, they put band aids on an old OS architecture
>> that has serious problems. Not to mention, they did break many other
>> things that use to work well, like networking.
>>
>> There's a reason that most every large corporation forced their users
>> to upgrade to 95, then NT, then win2K, then XP - and that most of them
>> have specifically chosen NOT to upgrade to Vista. See if you can
>> figure out the why.
>>
>>
>"Bullshit bob" rides again!

You're quite an intellectual Frank. I bet your Mom is proud of you.
 

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