Re: Strange Content.IE5 behavior
Angel wrote:
| Bill,
| There were NO files in the Windows\TEMP file after I deleted
| them. It said "0" before I rebooted. The file did NOT rebuild!!
Best create one yourself using Explorer, then. Some programs may want to
use it! The folder should be... C:\Windows\TEMP.
"START button, Run, SysEdit", & post both Config.sys & Autoexec.bat. I
want to see what mention of TEMP may be in those.
| I know the difference between TIF and TEMP files..
| I did NOT randomly delete the files. I used the Clean Boot that
| is on Gary's Website that I was told by some to use. This is the
| second time that it has caused a disaster!
I haven't read through that in a while. It's a big one!
| Angel
|
| "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| news:e3%23$zL7AIHA.4444@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> I, for one (or for two), do not randomly delete what is in the
|> Windows\Temp folder, as there is often some interesting stuff in
|> there. Some files I do delete, but only the ones I have no use
|> for (historical or otherwise). And as PCR said, a few files in there
|> may still be in use.
|>
|> NOTE: This time we're talking about the Windows\Temp folder, and
|> NOT the Windows\Temporary Internet Files files folder, which is a
|> completely different animal.
|>
|>
|> PCR wrote:
|> > Angel wrote:
|> >> Hi Bill,
|> >> I did the clean boot. It did it again and had deleted some
|> >> files of files that was not supposed to be deleted. They were in
|> >> the TEMP file. The TEMP file did not rebuild. It messed things up
|> >> badly. So I had to go back to the Backup late last night.
|> >
|> > You mean C:\Windows\TEMP...?...
|> >
|> > Under normal circumstances, C:\WINDOWS\TEMP can be cleared of
|> > files/folders after a fresh boot. You need the fresh boot, because
|> > something may be sitting there, waiting to "complete" an install.
|> > You will likely have seen a message about it, though. Anyway, you
|> > should know whether you've installed something since boot. Now,
|> > some files may return after the delete. "WebPoolFileFile" is one.
|> > That will come back next boot or when you run McAfee.
|> >
|> > I have seen one poster who objected, saying one should browse
|> > through those files, looking for .log's. He said it might be
|> > interesting to see whether there is an error message or something
|> > inside. It was too late for me by then.
|> >
|> > Naturally, if you have actually installed something into TEMP,
|> > there might be a Registry connection to it. Those, you need to
|> > un/re-install elsewhere. Finally, I even saw a poster who had
|> > system files in there; perhaps it was the Temporary Internet Files
|> > in there. That shouldn't be! Well, to be certain, is
|> > C:\Windows\TEMP mentioned in any of these Registry keys...?...
|> >
|> >
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\She
|> > ll Folders
|> >
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Use
|> > r Shell Folders
|> >
|> >> Today, I got rid
|> >> of Spy Bot and Zone Alarm.
|> >
|> > SpyBot...?...
|> >
|> > START button, Find, F/F, Checks*.* (That's
|> > asterisk-dot-asterisk) START button, Find, F/F, Fixes*.*
|> >
|> > ... If you have a ton of these, then delete them. Go to the
|> > Settings screen of SpyBot, & turn off both the Checks & Fixes logs.
|> >
|> >> The only things, as far as protection goes
|> >> now, is my Avast! and AdAware. Right now, I can get the Web pages.
|> >> Some still do not load up good and the IE times-out. I think
|> >> something is still wrong.
|> >
|> > Can you name a WEB site that doesn't download well? I'll go see
|> > whether it is normal or not!
|> >
|> >> I said "right now" because I do not know
|> >> when it will stop working on me. It seems that it is still slow
|> >> and getting slower. I spoke to a couple of computer guys and
|> >> they
|> >> think I should re-load Windows, update my computer to XP. They say
|> >> that 256 is enough memory to run XP. I don't think so, do you?
|> >> Angel
|> >>
|> >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
|> >> news:eqvZfizAIHA.1356@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> >>> Just another note, Angel.
|> >>> Even if the TIF is not entirely empty now you should still give
|> >>> it a try and see if your problem is fixed. Although I think
|> >>> windows does get rid of most of it, so, no worries.
|> >>>
|> >>> Angel wrote:
|> >>>> Bill,
|> >>>> No, he did not. After emptying the TIF, the TEMP folder
|> >>>> should be emptied, shouldn't it? That is the one I was going to
|> >>>> try to empty it if I should.
|> >>>> Angel
|> >>>>
|> >>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
|> >>>> news:%230HQZevAIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>> OK, looks like PCR has already answered it.
|> >>>>>
|> >>>>> Angel wrote:
|> >>>>>> Hi Bill,
|> >>>>>> I am still having trouble. Thinking of deleting the Temp
|> >>>>>> file. I forgot how to do it from the Windows side. Please
|> >>>>>> refresh my memory. Angel
|> >>>>>>
|> >>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
|> >>>>>> news:u%23K%23HujAIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>>>> It's a dos-based exe program that you have in the \windows
|> >>>>>>> folder that caches a lot of the dish reading and writing
|> >>>>>>> activity, so that the hard drive doesn't go out and read in
|> >>>>>>> each file individually and separately in time, but instead,
|> >>>>>>> reads in (or writes) a whole bunch of files in a cache, for a
|> >>>>>>> large group (like 64K of memory's worth at a time, IIRC).
|> >>>>>>> Makes a HUGE difference down there when you end up deleting
|> >>>>>>> thousands of small files. Once I forgot to invoke
|> >>>>>>> smartdrv down there (at the command prompt) before doing the
|> >>>>>>> TIF deltree, and it took perhaps 15 minutes for the TIF to
|> >>>>>>> get all the files deleted, vs, perhaps a minute or two.
|> >>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>> But before you do any of this in DOS, assuming you do, be
|> >>>>>>> sure to first use IE to clear the cache first to make it even
|> >>>>>>> quicker (by deleting most of the files there). Then you can
|> >>>>>>> reboot into true DOS and do the complete cleanup.
|> >>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>> Angel wrote:
|> >>>>>>>> Hi Bill,
|> >>>>>>>> What is Smartdrv?
|> >>>>>>>> Angel
|> >>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in
|> >>>>>>>> message news:ewyzqDhAIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>>>>>> I guess one significant point is whether or not your
|> >>>>>>>>> problem may be due to a corrupted TIF. Others might
|> >>>>>>>>> weigh in on this.
|> >>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>> But if you're willing, you can always clear out the TIF in
|> >>>>>>>>> IE, and then boot into true DOS mode and use deltree down
|> >>>>>>>>> there to completely delete the TIF (but be sure to run
|> >>>>>>>>> smartdrv first), and then have a brand new TIF after
|> >>>>>>>>> rebooting. And I don't think you have anything to lose
|> >>>>>>>>> that way. I assume you know the procedure.
|> >>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>> The deletion of desktop.ini file in the root of the TIF
|> >>>>>>>>> when doing that has never presented a problem for me, and
|> >>>>>>>>> I've done this clean TIF thing several times.
|> >>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>> Angel wrote:
|> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Bill,
|> >>>>>>>>>> I would not use that large TIF. I use the 100. I really
|> >>>>>>>>>> did not do that large TIF file, they also wanted me to
|> >>>>>>>>>> accept all cookies. NO, I don't think so!! Wouldn't
|> >>>>>>>>>> "accepting all cookies" cause problems with Malware, etc?
|> >>>>>>>>>> I do not think that they know how to help. My Temp file
|> >>>>>>>>>> has "desktop.ini" in it. The last time I cleared it out I
|> >>>>>>>>>> had a problem with my computer and had to go to
|> >>>>>>>>>> backup. I
|> >>>>>>>>>> really do not want to do that again. Any suggestions?
|> >>>>>>>>>> Angel
|> >>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in
|> >>>>>>>>>> message news:uGLYNkYAIHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't think your problem below is due to the TIF size.
|> >>>>>>>>>>> However, one might possibly suspect a "corrupted" TIF,
|> >>>>>>>>>>> and that would be different, (and you can rebuild it).
|> >>>>>>>>>>> But I don't see how "page cannot be displayed" is
|> >>>>>>>>>>> related to the TIF size or TIF unless you have a
|> >>>>>>>>>>> corrupted TIF, in which case you could try clearing it
|> >>>>>>>>>>> out and letting it rebuild itself. I think a TIF
|> >>>>>>>>>>> setting of 1000 MB is a bit much, however.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>> Angel wrote:
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> About TIF file size, I have had problem going to my
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> IE to do anything on the web. I called ATT and one of
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> the techs told me to set my security to "accept all
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> cookies" and to set my TIF to 1000. This means NO
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> protection. I had it set at 50 before this problem and
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> I reset it to100. I am on their DSL. Have had problems
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> for over a week trying to use the IE. I can use Outlook
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> Express for a long while, I think. I have not used it
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> for that long. IE can be used for about 5 to 10
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> minutes before it comes up with "page cannot be
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> displayed".I talked to 3 techs at ATT and
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> they all had different suggestions. Angel
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in
|> >>>>>>>>>>>> message news:u1qp#UMAIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I use Cache Sentry Pro too. But as I said, the
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> longer I can go without having to wait for the page
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> data to be brought in again to the TIF, the better.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
(well, up to a point, as I've limited my TIF to
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 100 MB.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And as has been noted, there may be a point at which it
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> takes the system longer to search thru the TIF to see
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if its in there already than to simply reload in the
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> page (even on dial-up). Although I haven't (yet) come
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> across an authoritative, fully documented article that
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> spells out exactly what size TIF that is.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Although, as has been suggested, many seem to recommend
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting the TIF to 50 or 100 MB, or so.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>> glee wrote:
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, I had it set to 50MB with dial-up and did
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not see any noticable difference from having it set
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at 100MB in terms of browser performance and page
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> load speed, either on my home computers or on those
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at work which used dial-up for a period of time.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, YMMV.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also used the Cache Sentry utility on my system, so
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have played a part.
|> >>>>>>>>
http://www.enigmaticsoftware.com/cachesentry/index.html
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://dts-l.org/
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> message news:ucsy82KAIHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The difference is noticeable because the TIF contents
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually gets replaced, and then you really notice
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it when you go back to that web page (since it has to
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reload it all in again).
|> >>> Just
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by some regular web searching I can easily get the
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIF size to go up by 10 MB or more on a single day
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (meaning some content is being dumped out to make
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> room for the new stuff)
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how long it takes to reach that point in time is
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a direct function of how large your TIF is;
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning, the larger your TIF, the longer you get to
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait! before you reach that point (of needing to
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait until the page content is reloaded into the
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TIF).
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glee wrote:
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I was on a very slow dial-up connection
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (usually maxed at 26400) for nearly nine years, and
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always had my TIF set at 50MB max. I never saw the
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least difference when I experimented with making it
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger. YMMV. I always recommend a TIF value
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between 50MB and 100MB for a dial-up connection,
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and usually smaller with high speed Internet
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (cable, DSL). Of course, I also usually recommend
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another browser than IE. ;-) -- Glen Ventura, MS
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MVP Shell/User, A+
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://dts-l.org/
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in message
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:u1hx%23qGAIHA.4496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably generally a good idea, except for those of
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us on dial-up, I think maybe 100 MB is a bit
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better. The time it takes IE to load stuff in from
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the web pages is often quite noticeable on
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dial-up, and having a somewhat larger cache still
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to help. I haven't yet determined the point
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it doesn't, but I've stayed at 100 MB.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have more than four of those sub-folders, I
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggest you reduce the size limit on the TIF
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. I use the figure 64MB and web-pages serve
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up fine. More than that is a waste of space and
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time (the larger the TIF capacity, the longer it
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> takes for IE to sort through it.)
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Local Settings folder indicates some
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application meant for Windows NT versions (NT4,
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP, 2K3 or Vista) decided to make the change for
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. Perhaps some utility that you installed to
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guard your internet traffic? Have you recently
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed any such item? Or any other major app?
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've seen this effect, but never pinned down the
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
www.grystmill.com
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Eugenia" <noneofyour@beeswax.non> wrote in
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:OvlCF50$HHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> W98se.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Content.IE5 Folder and subfolders took on a
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peculiar attribute. I was looking for something
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in there and noticed that it no longer resembled
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the regular appearance, where one might find 10
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or more alphanumerically named subfolders. It
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked like the Content.IE5 that one might find
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in WinXP. i.e. - generally having roughly 4
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alphanumeric subfolders.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried everything: DOS Deltree - which still
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ends up giving me the same
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> result - and then simply deleting those folders
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Temporary Internet Files /
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cookies / History) from another operating system.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same issue persists. :-(
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even after performing the Deltree of Tempor~1 in
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS, once rebooted, although Index.dat and
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop.ini are newly created, there are also 4
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub-folders within Content.IE5 which also get
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created anew. They are void of
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temporary files, with the exception that each
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contain a Desktop.ini file.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a test, I browsed multitude of webpages
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (including those which might assist me) to see
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I could get Content.IE5 to create its
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customary large quantity of different
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub-folders, but to no avail. 4 subfolders were
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all which were created, despite the fact that
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number of different types of websites
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /images/ graphics/ banners /etc should have
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily caused Content.IE5 subfolders to mutiply.
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I should add that normally, the stored location
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the TIF's/Content.IE5 is
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in C:\Windows, but eventually I noticed (much
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later) that mysteriously, the
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location had somehow changed to C:\Windows\Local
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Settings. That was where it
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was when I first noticed the 4 subfolder
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anomaly. I changed it back to it's
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-time normal location of C:\Windows. The
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem persists despite all kinds of techniques
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it..
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a new problem I've never before
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encountered. Can anyone help me with
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some pointers on how I might rectify this?
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
|> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for reading this and helping.
|> >
|> > --
|> > Thanks or Good Luck,
|> > There may be humor in this post, and,
|> > Naturally, you will not sue,
|> > Should things get worse after this,
|> > PCR
|> >
pcrrcp@netzero.net
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net