Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

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Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

"I still have to set the affinity for many processes manually to get a really
smooth running machine, very annoying, but only have to do it once a day."
That's quite a statement John. I don't remember ever having to do all that
with 32-bit Windows. Good luck!
--
Denise

~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.


"John Barnes" wrote:

> I had performance problems with Vista64 until I upgraded my system from a
> 3500+ processor to a 5200+ x2. I still have to set the affinity for many
> processes manually to get a really smooth running machine, very annoying,
> but only have to do it once a day. I have it on a 72 gig partition with 25
> still free.
>
> "S.SubZero" <ssubzero@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1184415442.911977.12530@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> >I run XP64 on my gaming rig and it runs perfectly. Not much in the
> > way of 64-bit games, but Unreal Tournament 2004 64-bit Edition runs
> > fine. All the 32-bit games I have tried so far work and work well.
> >
> > I run Vista 64 on my laptop and it runs perfectly too. The resources
> > it uses are a little annoying, especially the 15GB+ of hard disk
> > space. For my little 100GB laptop drive this is quite a bit. I have
> > been debating re-doing my laptop with XP64 also, but I want to get
> > very used to using Vista and learn some of it's inner workings. I'm
> > using it mainly for resume fodder.
> >
>
>
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

Some components of my computer were hand picked with the help of people at
MajorGeeks forum. The parts were chosen to compliment one another and work
together well. If you can't see that by reviewing the list of parts that I
posted here, I don't think you know as much about computers as you think you
do.

Regarding the need to treat people offensively in order to get what you want
in life tells me that you have a problem. You should speak with someone
about it.

"I would instantly relegate this machine (whatever it's components) to running
a 32bit screensaver and get something else to do your job. The only insult
conveyed through this remark is that you didn't come to this conclusion much
sooner. You are way too patient!" You may need to rewrite this part of your
post. It makes no sense.
--
Denise

~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.
 
RE: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

Well, Carol, if you have Vista X64 waiting on your shelf in order to use it,
it means that it is not good by itself, which is what I've been saying all
along. You made my point for me. Drivers should have been included with the
software. Without them, the os is no good so it's shelved.

I didn't say that Winword doesn't work. I said that it is a 32-bit system
version because Microsoft hasn't made it compatible with its own software,
nor has it made it compatible with other Microsoft software, such as
iexplore. You need to read an entire post and understand what was written
before you try to trash what was said.

Avast is a better anti-virus program for X64 than AVG.

I have 15 ext hdds, so 5 ext hdds means nothing to me. Before anyone says
that the problem lies with the fact that I have 15 hard drives, I've had no
problem with Disk Management. I don't have more than 3 or 4 turned on at a
time and, when they are on, they work well. My old 5-year old computer
handled up to 10 turned on at the same time. It might have handled more but
I only had 10 at the time.

My motherboard may be 2 years old but it's BIOS has been updated, so your
point is mute. No one but people with money can afford to replace their mobos
every couple of years so your point is ridiculous.

I have responded to many posts here and I think I made my stand very clear.
I have not checked the box for the forum to notify me of replies so that I
will not be posting here any longer. To do so would be to perpetuate this
disagreement and I have no desire to do so. The points made by those who
like X64 have too many holes in them simply because X64 was placed on the
market before it was ready/stable/complete and it has too many holes in it.

Good luck to everyone . . . I wish you happiness with your computers, 64-bit
or 32-bit.
--
Denise

~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.
 
RE: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

One more thing . . . my mobo . . . not bad for a 2-year old

"Biostar TForce6100-939 NVIDIA Socket 939 MicroATX Motherboard
The TForce 6100-939 delivers great graphics and amazing multimedia
capability. This stellar motherboard supports dual-channel memory, DDR400 up
to 4GB, PCI Express 16x, PCI Express 1x, SATA, NVIDIA GeForce 6100 GPU video,
5.1-channel audio and fast Ethernet LAN.
- Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce 6100
- Front Side Bus: 2000MHz"

This is a piece of hardware that was made with foresight. not hindsight like
X64.
-------------------------------

"Chipset
The TForce6100-939 motherboard is based on the NVIDIA GeForce 6100
Northbridge chipset and the NVIDIA nForce 410 Southbridge chipset. It
supports AMD Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64 and Sempron Processors,
with Hyper-Transport Technology and 2000MHz Front Side Bus support."

I have a compatible AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz processor
-------------------------------

"Memory Expansion
The TForce6100-939 provides 4 DIMM sockets using 184-pin DDR with a total
capacity of up to 4GB. You can install DDR 400MHz Memory. "

I have 2x1G twin sticks of RAM.
-------------------------------

"PCI Express Support
The TForce6100-939 fully supports PCI Express, the latest I/O interconnect
technology that speeds up the PCI bus. PCI Express features point-to-point
serial interconnections between devices and allows higher clockspeeds by
carrying data in packets. This high-speed interface is software compatible
with existing PCI specifications." (too bad X64 doesn't know how to use it)
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

And you still wouldn't have to as you don't have a dual core processor. I
used XP64 with no problems for over a year once I got all my hardware and
software compatible. The machine I was running on was a single core 3500+
and it ran beautifully. Vista64 is a resource hog, still has a few annoying
bugs and hasn't been the solid performer that XP64 was. I used XP86 for
about 5 years and it was a great system. I kept it in dual boot while using
XP64 for use with two programs that would not run on XP64 and which I did
not want to spend the money to replace. Hope all goes well for you. Sorry
your experience was so frustrating.

"Denise" <Denise@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E48B8FFD-67F8-4E09-8577-0195E2504709@microsoft.com...
> "I still have to set the affinity for many processes manually to get a
> really
> smooth running machine, very annoying, but only have to do it once a day."
> That's quite a statement John. I don't remember ever having to do all
> that
> with 32-bit Windows. Good luck!
> --
> Denise
>
> ~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're
> going.
>
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>> I had performance problems with Vista64 until I upgraded my system from a
>> 3500+ processor to a 5200+ x2. I still have to set the affinity for many
>> processes manually to get a really smooth running machine, very annoying,
>> but only have to do it once a day. I have it on a 72 gig partition with
>> 25
>> still free.
>>
>> "S.SubZero" <ssubzero@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1184415442.911977.12530@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> >I run XP64 on my gaming rig and it runs perfectly. Not much in the
>> > way of 64-bit games, but Unreal Tournament 2004 64-bit Edition runs
>> > fine. All the 32-bit games I have tried so far work and work well.
>> >
>> > I run Vista 64 on my laptop and it runs perfectly too. The resources
>> > it uses are a little annoying, especially the 15GB+ of hard disk
>> > space. For my little 100GB laptop drive this is quite a bit. I have
>> > been debating re-doing my laptop with XP64 also, but I want to get
>> > very used to using Vista and learn some of it's inner workings. I'm
>> > using it mainly for resume fodder.
>> >
>>
>>
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

The hardware list you posted does not state you have
dual-core CPU, so how would you be setting affinity with a
single-core CPU?


Denise wrote:
> "I still have to set the affinity for many processes manually to get a really
> smooth running machine, very annoying, but only have to do it once a day."
> That's quite a statement John. I don't remember ever having to do all that
> with 32-bit Windows. Good luck!
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:32:03 GMT, =?Utf-8?B?RGVuaXNl?= wrote
in news:8630E3EA-6C57-49DF-A0B1-79B6F5E87AF8@microsoft.com:

> Well, I listed my hardware and no one suggested that it was
> junk, and my software is the type of software that most
> people have.

I've used x64 on a system pretty similar to yours and it worked
fine. I did look at the Biostar web site and they do have a bios
flash that may be worth trying as well as a couple of drivers:

http://tinyurl.com/2fcgqj

When unexpected things happen to one of my systems, clearing the
cmos by using the jumper on the motherboard sometimes allows
things to work. It's something like clearing the slate and
allowing the system to have a fresh start. While I'm inside the
box, I'll usually reseat the RAM by freeing the retainer clips
and then reinserting it.

My guess is doing the driver updates, and flashing the bios, and
clearing the cmos, and then reseating the RAM should take less
than 1/2 an hour if you're able to get to the inside of your
machine.

Flatus
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

"Denise" <Denise@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AD33812F-4670-403C-B5BD-E240D6A55E8A@microsoft.com...

> My motherboard may be 2 years old but it's BIOS has been updated, so your
> point is mute.

"moot"
 
RE: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

Well, you are being completely unrealistic (and slightly silly or
mischievous) there Denise, although MS does include a lot of drivers for the
OS (both XP x64 and Vista x64 come with a huge database of drivers, most of
these will have been provided by the manufacturers of the hardware. It is
NOT Microsoft's responsibility to write drivers for the thousands and
thousands of different devices which you can attach to your system - and
something like a hardware calibration puck is completely different than say a
USB driver.

"Denise" wrote:

> Well, Carol, if you have Vista X64 waiting on your shelf in order to use it,
> it means that it is not good by itself, which is what I've been saying all
> along. You made my point for me. Drivers should have been included with the
> software. Without them, the os is no good so it's shelved.
 
RE: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?



"Royston H" wrote:

> My 120 days of eval are nearly up.
>
> I have found the XP 64 bit version of windows the most stable and reliable
> version of Windows I've ever used and have had only one BSOD when I was
> overclocking my graphics card, so not really a microsoft o/s issue.
>
> I mainly use the computer for office applications, photoshop, video editing
> and playing FSX.
>
> Given that I can get an OEM copy of Vista 64 bit for less than the OEM 64bit
> XP pro, I am likely to run with Vista.
>
> I'd like to hear from people who have used both in anger and see if any
> valid arguements exist for sticking with XP, say it's considerably more
> stable etc, given that long term the future is with vista anyway.
>
> Thanks
>
> Royston H
>
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

If you had read my very short post stating that I never had a dual-core CPU
nor that I had to set it to affinity, you would not have posted your
statement. Look at the quote marks around the sentence. The sentence was
written by someone else and I replied that I don't ever remember having to do
that with 32-bit Windows.
--
Denise

~ If you don''t know where you came from, you won''t know where you''re going.


"Theo" wrote:

> The hardware list you posted does not state you have
> dual-core CPU, so how would you be setting affinity with a
> single-core CPU?
>
>
> Denise wrote:
> > "I still have to set the affinity for many processes manually to get a really
> > smooth running machine, very annoying, but only have to do it once a day."
> > That's quite a statement John. I don't remember ever having to do all that
> > with 32-bit Windows. Good luck!
>
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

My, my, how the insults fly when someone isn't expected to be around. I
built my machine so I think I know how to get inside it. BTW, I could use a
black case screw if anyone has one.

My motherboard has a BIOS flashing utility built in, so there's no problem
with that. Maybe you didn't read that when you were at the Biostar website.

I have moved my RAM around to see if there was a better configuration for
it, but you must have missed the post where I mentioned that.

I moved the jumper on the pins and then put it back to its original position
to clear CMOS.

I've updated the driver for Nvidia and chipset, the only updated drivers
available.

The BIOS will have to wait until I get a FDD cable because the instructions
were very clear to put the BIOS update on a floppy and install it from it.

I don't know much about computers but I know a bit. If you people would
stop looking down your noses, this forum would work.
--
Denise

~ If you don''t know where you came from, you won''t know where you''re going.


"Flatus Ohlfahrt" wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:32:03 GMT, =?Utf-8?B?RGVuaXNl?= wrote
> in news:8630E3EA-6C57-49DF-A0B1-79B6F5E87AF8@microsoft.com:
>
> > Well, I listed my hardware and no one suggested that it was
> > junk, and my software is the type of software that most
> > people have.
>
> I've used x64 on a system pretty similar to yours and it worked
> fine. I did look at the Biostar web site and they do have a bios
> flash that may be worth trying as well as a couple of drivers:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2fcgqj
>
> When unexpected things happen to one of my systems, clearing the
> cmos by using the jumper on the motherboard sometimes allows
> things to work. It's something like clearing the slate and
> allowing the system to have a fresh start. While I'm inside the
> box, I'll usually reseat the RAM by freeing the retainer clips
> and then reinserting it.
>
> My guess is doing the driver updates, and flashing the bios, and
> clearing the cmos, and then reseating the RAM should take less
> than 1/2 an hour if you're able to get to the inside of your
> machine.
>
> Flatus
 
RE: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

If there's one thing I'm not, it's naive. I'm practical and insightful. Did
you have to supply drivers when you progressed from 95 to 98 to 2000? I
didn't.

I have an update for my CPU but in order to install it, I have to uninstall
the present one. When I attempt to do so, I receive a message from Microsoft
which states, "Setup.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We
are sorry for the inconvenience." Inconvenience is a very mile term that I'd
use for this joke of an os. It's more like a pain in the a** every step of
the way. Nothing goes smoothly or as it should.

Microsoft may not have the responsibility to supply drivers for the X64 os,
but it did have the responsibility to inform potential buyers that it lacks
necessary drivers. Right there is one important instance where Microsoft
went wrong. I never would have bought it if the outside package contained a
warning to that affect.

Even updated drivers that are available don't work.

Here is another severe warning that I received after installing the updated
drivers for On-Board Audio and On-Board VGA. As I said, X64 will fight a
user every step of the way:

"A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent
damage to your computer

Driver_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR-EQUAL

If this is the first time you've seen this error screen, restart your
computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps:

Check to ensure any new hardware or software is properly nstalled. If this
is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer for any
Windows updates you might need. If problems continue, disable or remove any
newly installed hardware or software. Disable BIOS memory options such as
caching or shadowing. If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable
components, restart your computer, press F8 to select Advanced Setup options,
and then select Safe Mode.

Technical Information:
*** STOP: 0X000000D1 (0X0000000000000015, 0X0000000000000002,
0X000000000000000, 0XFFFFFADFBC919C4B) ***

nv_mini,sys - Address FFFFFADFBC919C4B base at FFFFFADFBC8C0000, Date Stamp
46313285

Beginning dump of physical memory
Physical memory dump complete. "

--
Denise

~ If you don''t know where you came from, you won''t know where you''re going.


"Carol Steele" wrote:

> Well, you are being completely unrealistic (and slightly silly or
> mischievous) there Denise, although MS does include a lot of drivers for the
> OS (both XP x64 and Vista x64 come with a huge database of drivers, most of
> these will have been provided by the manufacturers of the hardware. It is
> NOT Microsoft's responsibility to write drivers for the thousands and
> thousands of different devices which you can attach to your system - and
> something like a hardware calibration puck is completely different than say a
> USB driver.
>
> "Denise" wrote:
>
> > Well, Carol, if you have Vista X64 waiting on your shelf in order to use it,
> > it means that it is not good by itself, which is what I've been saying all
> > along. You made my point for me. Drivers should have been included with the
> > software. Without them, the os is no good so it's shelved.
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

Works for most OP. If not for you, then why are you here. You said you
were leaving. 64-bit isn't for everyone and it would appear that you would
be better served and happier if you stayed with 32-bit. Do you even have a
real reason to run 64-bit. Since you don't have a need for RAM abilities
(you only have 2gig), do you have native 64-bit programs? If not, why are
you beating your head against the wall.


"Denise" <Denise@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5CE600ED-DE91-40C2-9C66-FDF2C3F3CB2D@microsoft.com...
> My, my, how the insults fly when someone isn't expected to be around. I
> built my machine so I think I know how to get inside it. BTW, I could use
> a
> black case screw if anyone has one.
>
> My motherboard has a BIOS flashing utility built in, so there's no problem
> with that. Maybe you didn't read that when you were at the Biostar
> website.
>
> I have moved my RAM around to see if there was a better configuration for
> it, but you must have missed the post where I mentioned that.
>
> I moved the jumper on the pins and then put it back to its original
> position
> to clear CMOS.
>
> I've updated the driver for Nvidia and chipset, the only updated drivers
> available.
>
> The BIOS will have to wait until I get a FDD cable because the
> instructions
> were very clear to put the BIOS update on a floppy and install it from it.
>
> I don't know much about computers but I know a bit. If you people would
> stop looking down your noses, this forum would work.
> --
> Denise
>
> ~ If you don''t know where you came from, you won''t know where you''re
> going.
>
>
> "Flatus Ohlfahrt" wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:32:03 GMT, =?Utf-8?B?RGVuaXNl?= wrote
>> in news:8630E3EA-6C57-49DF-A0B1-79B6F5E87AF8@microsoft.com:
>>
>> > Well, I listed my hardware and no one suggested that it was
>> > junk, and my software is the type of software that most
>> > people have.
>>
>> I've used x64 on a system pretty similar to yours and it worked
>> fine. I did look at the Biostar web site and they do have a bios
>> flash that may be worth trying as well as a couple of drivers:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2fcgqj
>>
>> When unexpected things happen to one of my systems, clearing the
>> cmos by using the jumper on the motherboard sometimes allows
>> things to work. It's something like clearing the slate and
>> allowing the system to have a fresh start. While I'm inside the
>> box, I'll usually reseat the RAM by freeing the retainer clips
>> and then reinserting it.
>>
>> My guess is doing the driver updates, and flashing the bios, and
>> clearing the cmos, and then reseating the RAM should take less
>> than 1/2 an hour if you're able to get to the inside of your
>> machine.
>>
>> Flatus
>
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

If you're telling me that I don't have the right to be here, I believe this
is still America, not Gates. Whatever my reasons for having X64 are my own,
but the box that it came in didn't specify that it's for a certain useage.
Another fact held back from consumers. Thank you for making another point
for me.
--
Denise

~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.


"John Barnes" wrote:

> Works for most OP. If not for you, then why are you here. You said you
> were leaving. 64-bit isn't for everyone and it would appear that you would
> be better served and happier if you stayed with 32-bit. Do you even have a
> real reason to run 64-bit. Since you don't have a need for RAM abilities
> (you only have 2gig), do you have native 64-bit programs? If not, why are
> you beating your head against the wall.
>
>
> "Denise" <Denise@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5CE600ED-DE91-40C2-9C66-FDF2C3F3CB2D@microsoft.com...
> > My, my, how the insults fly when someone isn't expected to be around. I
> > built my machine so I think I know how to get inside it. BTW, I could use
> > a
> > black case screw if anyone has one.
> >
> > My motherboard has a BIOS flashing utility built in, so there's no problem
> > with that. Maybe you didn't read that when you were at the Biostar
> > website.
> >
> > I have moved my RAM around to see if there was a better configuration for
> > it, but you must have missed the post where I mentioned that.
> >
> > I moved the jumper on the pins and then put it back to its original
> > position
> > to clear CMOS.
> >
> > I've updated the driver for Nvidia and chipset, the only updated drivers
> > available.
> >
> > The BIOS will have to wait until I get a FDD cable because the
> > instructions
> > were very clear to put the BIOS update on a floppy and install it from it.
> >
> > I don't know much about computers but I know a bit. If you people would
> > stop looking down your noses, this forum would work.
> > --
> > Denise
> >
> > ~ If you don''t know where you came from, you won''t know where you''re
> > going.
> >
> >
> > "Flatus Ohlfahrt" wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 02:32:03 GMT, =?Utf-8?B?RGVuaXNl?= wrote
> >> in news:8630E3EA-6C57-49DF-A0B1-79B6F5E87AF8@microsoft.com:
> >>
> >> > Well, I listed my hardware and no one suggested that it was
> >> > junk, and my software is the type of software that most
> >> > people have.
> >>
> >> I've used x64 on a system pretty similar to yours and it worked
> >> fine. I did look at the Biostar web site and they do have a bios
> >> flash that may be worth trying as well as a couple of drivers:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/2fcgqj
> >>
> >> When unexpected things happen to one of my systems, clearing the
> >> cmos by using the jumper on the motherboard sometimes allows
> >> things to work. It's something like clearing the slate and
> >> allowing the system to have a fresh start. While I'm inside the
> >> box, I'll usually reseat the RAM by freeing the retainer clips
> >> and then reinserting it.
> >>
> >> My guess is doing the driver updates, and flashing the bios, and
> >> clearing the cmos, and then reseating the RAM should take less
> >> than 1/2 an hour if you're able to get to the inside of your
> >> machine.
> >>
> >> Flatus
> >
>
>
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

Have you figured where you came from and/or where you're
going yet?

You certainly sound confused and lost to me.

If you think Microsoft is withholding critical information,
then take the initiative to do some research. There are
numerous references about 64-bit Windows on the internet
that point out the good, the bad, and how to determine if
64-bit is appropriate for you.

If you want to come to this forum to honestly seek help with
64-bit Windows operating systems, then you're welcome.
However, most of your posts have been to complain about and
deride 64-bit Windows and Microsoft. That is not constructive!

You really sound like a neophyte trying to blame others for
your inexperience and ignorance.



Denise wrote:
> If you're telling me that I don't have the right to be here, I believe this
> is still America, not Gates. Whatever my reasons for having X64 are my own,
> but the box that it came in didn't specify that it's for a certain useage.
> Another fact held back from consumers. Thank you for making another point
> for me.
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

In this thread, the person asked:

"I'd like to hear from people who have used both in anger and see if any
valid arguements exist for sticking with XP, say it's considerably more
stable etc, given that long term the future is with vista anyway."


You said:

"If you want to come to this forum to honestly seek help with 64-bit Windows
operating systems, then you're welcome. However, most of your posts have been
to complain about and deride 64-bit Windows and Microsoft. That is not
constructive!"

Given the request of the author of this thread, it's you who shouldn't post
in this thread because you don't know what it's about. It appears that it is
you who is confused and lost here, not I.

I very much think that voicing my opinion regarding X64 is constructive,
even if it wasn't the topic of conversation, but it is. People like you will
defend X64 to your deaths and you give the illusion, as you've done here,
that it's the user who is the cause of the problem when it's really X64.
I've been using machines for 30 years, starting with the Wang Word Processor,
graduating to DOS, and I then went on to Windows 95, 98, 2000 XP, so I know a
lot about how operating systems should work and X64 is poor.


You said:

"If you think Microsoft is withholding critical information, then take the
initiative to do some research."

Most of the information on the internet regarding X64 was written by people
like you who thinks that Micorsoft's s*** doesn't stink. The information
should have been on the package. I bought X64 more than a year ago when
there was little to no critiques about it. I don't watch television so my
choice to use X64 was based on the general consensus of opinion at the that
it was the next generation of Windows. It very well is but it turned out to
be a terrible one.

In addition, you have no right to tell me or anyone else not to post in
these forums. By doing so, it sounds like you also want to cover up
something about X64 and it angers you to the point when you can't discuss
this topic rationally, in a mature manner, without name-calling and insults.
Those are the types of comments that are inappropriate in all threads, not
opinions about Microsoft products.
--
Denise

~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.



"Theo" wrote:

> Have you figured where you came from and/or where you're
> going yet?
>
> You certainly sound confused and lost to me.
>
> If you think Microsoft is withholding critical information,
> then take the initiative to do some research. There are
> numerous references about 64-bit Windows on the internet
> that point out the good, the bad, and how to determine if
> 64-bit is appropriate for you.
>
> If you want to come to this forum to honestly seek help with
> 64-bit Windows operating systems, then you're welcome.
> However, most of your posts have been to complain about and
> deride 64-bit Windows and Microsoft. That is not constructive!
>
> You really sound like a neophyte trying to blame others for
> your inexperience and ignorance.
 
RE: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

I have updated my drivers, but I hope the link given will help others, so I'm
glad you posted it.

It seems that you and Adobe Acrobat disagree about it's ability to run in an
X64 os.

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=331732&sliceId=2

If you can't get X64 to open the url, let me know and I'll copy and paste
the very lengthy problems associated with using Adobe Acrobat on an X64
system.

My old computer, which was 5 years old, ran up to 13 ext hdds at a time. I
installed Windows 2000 XP Pro and it never blinked an eye. With X64, I have
to limit the number of running ext hdds to 4 because X64 will crash if I turn
on more.

Biostar's TFORCE 6100-939 mobo is rock solid, well known by gamers and for
overclocking. I don't do gaming nor have I overclocked the BIOS so that it's
in its original state, except for updated drivers. You should investigate pc
components more thoroughly before making an overall assumption that it's no
good because of it's age.

BTW, Avast is a better anti-virus program for an X64 os than AVG.
--
Denise

~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.


"Carol Steele" wrote:

> Hi Royston,
>
> I am using XP x64 on my home built system and it is rock steady. I have a
> copy of Vista x64 sat on my shelf waiting for Gretag-Macbeth to release
> drivers/updated software for my EyeOne Display 2 puck so that I can have a
> properly profiled monitor to work with using Photoshop.
>
> Having said that, I simply don't have the problems which Denise has outlined
> in XP x64 and I use Acrobat (CS3 version), Winword, used to use Avast (until
> AVG recently released their 64-bit compatible version of their software),
> Sun's Java. I cannot comment on the other programs which she mentioned.
>
> I'm also running 5 HD's which are all connected via SATA (2 x 74Gb Raptors
> running as a RAID 0 Array) and 3 x 320Gb Seagate Barracudas running in SATA2
> 3Gb/s mode.
>
> From what I can gather the BioStar motherboard in question is an older board
> (from around 2 years ago) and there appear to be some updated drivers for Win
> XP x64 on their web site -
> http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdownloads.asp?model=TFORCE 6100-939
>
> I wonder if you have downloaded and applied these??
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

The major difference is that I know most of the limitations
of Win x64 and I utilize it for it's strengths. I did a lot
of research looking for drivers and peripheral hardware that
had x64 drivers. Yes, there are deficiencies in Win x64,
but I haven't found any operating system that is perfect.

Arguments are totally unnecessary. All anyone has to do is
do research and evaluate whether Win x64 is appropriate for
their situation. One of the best resources is Charlie
Russel's paper on Win x64.

It's like buying a vehicle. One researches the available
products and determines which vehicle he/she wants. One
doesn't buy a Ford and then complain because it isn't a Chevy.

I definitely am not lost. I know exactly where I have been
and I periodically evaluate my objects to determine if I am
proceeding in a reasonable and logical manner to where I
know I want to go.

I have been using, repairing, building, setting up networks,
and programming computers for long time. I have worked with
CP/M, MS-DOS, OS/2, Unix, Linux, Apple OS, Atari OS, PDP/11
OS, and many others.

And, I guess you're right. If you want to throw a temper
tantrum, scream and kick your feet, then you have every
right to do so. Hope you feel better when you stop!


Denise wrote:
> In this thread, the person asked:
>
> "I'd like to hear from people who have used both in anger and see if any
> valid arguments exist for sticking with XP, say it's considerably more
> stable etc, given that long term the future is with vista anyway."
>
>
> You said:
>
> "If you want to come to this forum to honestly seek help with 64-bit Windows
> operating systems, then you're welcome. However, most of your posts have been
> to complain about and deride 64-bit Windows and Microsoft. That is not
> constructive!"
>
> Given the request of the author of this thread, it's you who shouldn't post
> in this thread because you don't know what it's about. It appears that it is
> you who is confused and lost here, not I.
>
> I very much think that voicing my opinion regarding X64 is constructive,
> even if it wasn't the topic of conversation, but it is. People like you will
> defend X64 to your deaths and you give the illusion, as you've done here,
> that it's the user who is the cause of the problem when it's really X64.
> I've been using machines for 30 years, starting with the Wang Word Processor,
> graduating to DOS, and I then went on to Windows 95, 98, 2000 XP, so I know a
> lot about how operating systems should work and X64 is poor.
>
>
> You said:
>
> "If you think Microsoft is withholding critical information, then take the
> initiative to do some research."
>
> Most of the information on the internet regarding X64 was written by people
> like you who thinks that Microsoft's s*** doesn't stink. The information
> should have been on the package. I bought X64 more than a year ago when
> there was little to no critiques about it. I don't watch television so my
> choice to use X64 was based on the general consensus of opinion at the that
> it was the next generation of Windows. It very well is but it turned out to
> be a terrible one.
>
> In addition, you have no right to tell me or anyone else not to post in
> these forums. By doing so, it sounds like you also want to cover up
> something about X64 and it angers you to the point when you can't discuss
> this topic rationally, in a mature manner, without name-calling and insults.
> Those are the types of comments that are inappropriate in all threads, not
> opinions about Microsoft products.
 
Re: Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

I don't want to argue. I replied to Royston H's request for opinions of X64.
I gave mine and, since then, people have been arguing with me.

Can't you write a post without insulting people?
--
Denise

~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.




"Theo" wrote:

> The major difference is that I know most of the limitations
> of Win x64 and I utilize it for it's strengths. I did a lot
> of research looking for drivers and peripheral hardware that
> had x64 drivers. Yes, there are deficiencies in Win x64,
> but I haven't found any operating system that is perfect.
>
> Arguments are totally unnecessary. All anyone has to do is
> do research and evaluate whether Win x64 is appropriate for
> their situation. One of the best resources is Charlie
> Russel's paper on Win x64.
>
> It's like buying a vehicle. One researches the available
> products and determines which vehicle he/she wants. One
> doesn't buy a Ford and then complain because it isn't a Chevy.
>
> I definitely am not lost. I know exactly where I have been
> and I periodically evaluate my objects to determine if I am
> proceeding in a reasonable and logical manner to where I
> know I want to go.
>
> I have been using, repairing, building, setting up networks,
> and programming computers for long time. I have worked with
> CP/M, MS-DOS, OS/2, Unix, Linux, Apple OS, Atari OS, PDP/11
> OS, and many others.
>
> And, I guess you're right. If you want to throw a temper
> tantrum, scream and kick your feet, then you have every
> right to do so. Hope you feel better when you stop!
>
>
> Denise wrote:
> > In this thread, the person asked:
> >
> > "I'd like to hear from people who have used both in anger and see if any
> > valid arguments exist for sticking with XP, say it's considerably more
> > stable etc, given that long term the future is with vista anyway."
> >
> >
> > You said:
> >
> > "If you want to come to this forum to honestly seek help with 64-bit Windows
> > operating systems, then you're welcome. However, most of your posts have been
> > to complain about and deride 64-bit Windows and Microsoft. That is not
> > constructive!"
> >
> > Given the request of the author of this thread, it's you who shouldn't post
> > in this thread because you don't know what it's about. It appears that it is
> > you who is confused and lost here, not I.
> >
> > I very much think that voicing my opinion regarding X64 is constructive,
> > even if it wasn't the topic of conversation, but it is. People like you will
> > defend X64 to your deaths and you give the illusion, as you've done here,
> > that it's the user who is the cause of the problem when it's really X64.
> > I've been using machines for 30 years, starting with the Wang Word Processor,
> > graduating to DOS, and I then went on to Windows 95, 98, 2000 XP, so I know a
> > lot about how operating systems should work and X64 is poor.
> >
> >
> > You said:
> >
> > "If you think Microsoft is withholding critical information, then take the
> > initiative to do some research."
> >
> > Most of the information on the internet regarding X64 was written by people
> > like you who thinks that Microsoft's s*** doesn't stink. The information
> > should have been on the package. I bought X64 more than a year ago when
> > there was little to no critiques about it. I don't watch television so my
> > choice to use X64 was based on the general consensus of opinion at the that
> > it was the next generation of Windows. It very well is but it turned out to
> > be a terrible one.
> >
> > In addition, you have no right to tell me or anyone else not to post in
> > these forums. By doing so, it sounds like you also want to cover up
> > something about X64 and it angers you to the point when you can't discuss
> > this topic rationally, in a mature manner, without name-calling and insults.
> > Those are the types of comments that are inappropriate in all threads, not
> > opinions about Microsoft products.
>
 

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