"People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

[Mike]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>* Mike:
>> Windows Mail
>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>
> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.

> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being
> developed anymore, except for security updates.
> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail
> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.

None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

Mike

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:17:21 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
>news:%23QFSi$tyHHA.4820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Points that you made equally applied to the W2K-XP transition..
>
>I get the impression that some of these people here whining about Vista are
>too young to remember that. They apparently grew up with XP and it's all
>they know.
>
>At least they certainly give that impression with their "It's too big, too
>bloated, too much eye candy, too incompatible with existing apps/hardware,
>no drivers" and on and on and on.
>
>We heard ALL of this at XP's launch, and at 2000's launch, and at NT 4's
>launch, and at NT 3.1's launch.
>
>Mike


What we also hear is the typical full of hot air Microsoft fanboy
badly faking trying to pass himself off as expert and using this
newsgroup to pontificate.

That shoe seems to fit not only you Mike, but way too many others that
infest this newsgroup and make it next to useless since they refuse to
be objective and only know how to sing the praises of Microsoft rather
than honestly trying to see BOTH sides of each issue and accepting
many people really do have serious issues with Vista and it has
nothing to do with drivers or hardware but failings of Vista itself
which fanboys refuse to admit exist.

 

[Mike]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a0d601@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> >Windows Mail
> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>
> win mail IS outlook express with small changes and a new name!
> the most significant change is that it doesn't use DBX anymore.. but even
> THAT creates problems....

Yes, I know that. The biggest improvement is that it doesn't force you to
top post like OE did.

> Vista performance improvement? You are delusional man.... sheeshhhh
> Vista is slower than XP. Its all around the internet.. but it seems you
> dont surf that much.
> What are you doing? Sitting in front of vista playing with flip 3d and
> sidebar all day?

Nope, don't even have Flip 3D on this laptop, no Aero at all. Sidebar is
turned off on both my machines.

It boots faster. It doesn't constantly grind the hard disk after
un-hibernating like XP does, due to it's better memory management.
Programs load faster, again due to better memory management.

> The real world shows that vista is FAR behind in performance compared to
> XP.
> When cornered the vista users throw this excuse:

Baloney. It runs circles around XP on my machines. Again, you can't
extrapolate to the whole world based on problem reports in a support forum.

Mike

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:23:33 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
>news:46a0d095@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> Just because vista has a flashy theme doesnt make it better technology. It
>> doesnt really have much more to offer. Sorry.
>
>The theme is the least of Vista's improvements. One of the machines I'm
>running it on is a ThinkPad T41 laptop. I can't even GET Aero because of
>the video card (32 meg Mobility Radeon 9000), but I'd still rather use Vista
>than XP on this machine. Better all-around performance due to MUCH better
>memory management (I have 1 GB) and MUCH better included apps. Windows Mail
>is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>
>Mike

Those comments illustrate your expertise level. No serious user would
touch Windows Mail or Outlook Express with a ten foot pole or pretend
either is a newsreader.

You're just a light weight Mike, time you admitted it.

 

[Frank]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

John John wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>
>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>> versions of Windows...
>
>
> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
> stockings!
>
> John
hahaha...that's funny!

Frank

 

[carl feredeck]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

will if you are pleased with it then good for you.. but can you tell me
these 2 things?

1) Did you have xp on the same machine you now have or is this a new one?
2) Did you compare a fresh install of XP with a fresh install of Vista?
Or an old install of XP with a fresh install of vista?

Dont tell me that the response of the interface of vista with non aero is
better than XP ...
(I am talking about the drawing of the interface, windows toolbars taskbars
etc.)
Please dont say that because that is 100% sure that vista refresh of the
interface lags significantly if you dont have aero,
compared to XP (that of course doenst have aero at all).


"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
news:1909E514-5293-42AE-BDC1-D1FB263F5E3E@microsoft.com...
> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a0d601@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> >Windows Mail
>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>>
>> win mail IS outlook express with small changes and a new name!
>> the most significant change is that it doesn't use DBX anymore.. but even
>> THAT creates problems....
>
> Yes, I know that. The biggest improvement is that it doesn't force you
> to top post like OE did.
>
>> Vista performance improvement? You are delusional man.... sheeshhhh
>> Vista is slower than XP. Its all around the internet.. but it seems you
>> dont surf that much.
>> What are you doing? Sitting in front of vista playing with flip 3d and
>> sidebar all day?
>
> Nope, don't even have Flip 3D on this laptop, no Aero at all. Sidebar is
> turned off on both my machines.
>
> It boots faster. It doesn't constantly grind the hard disk after
> un-hibernating like XP does, due to it's better memory management.
> Programs load faster, again due to better memory management.
>
>> The real world shows that vista is FAR behind in performance compared to
>> XP.
>> When cornered the vista users throw this excuse:
>
> Baloney. It runs circles around XP on my machines. Again, you can't
> extrapolate to the whole world based on problem reports in a support
> forum.
>
> Mike
>

 

[Mike]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:hln1a35slul94g12el8g5qrb3ls811idic@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:23:33 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:
>
> Those comments illustrate your expertise level. No serious user would
> touch Windows Mail or Outlook Express with a ten foot pole or pretend
> either is a newsreader.

What should I use? Agent? Agent sucks rocks for reading/replying. It's
great for downloading binaries, however.

The reason I normally use OS X for newsgroups is because there is nothing on
Windows as good as MT-NW.

Mike

 

[Mike]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:89n1a31lh5pc5hn9inrl1j24cb351a9god@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:17:21 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:
> What we also hear is the typical full of hot air Microsoft fanboy
> badly faking trying to pass himself off as expert and using this
> newsgroup to pontificate.

You have just described yourself.

Mike

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:37:34 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:3ok1a3l3c5kgbars0md9dr1hbv24qn7ujl@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:58:32 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:
>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>> versions of Windows.
>
>No, *you* are missing the point. No one called XP "a major leap" in 2001.
>It was called "2000 with eye candy".
>
>You seem to have no memory of this. Amazing.
>
>Mike
>
You can't be objective. Not surprising at all. Lots of Microsoft
fanboys here that never take the blinders off.

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:07:11 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:

>"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>* Mike:
>>> Windows Mail
>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>>
>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.
>
>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being
>> developed anymore, except for security updates.
>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail
>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.
>
>None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.
>
>Mike

What you saying is a two foot tall pile of rotting garbage is less
offensive than a five foot tall pile of rotting garbage. Most people
would think garbage is just garbage.

 

[MICHAEL]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

* Mike:
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> * Mike:
>>> Windows Mail
>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.
>
>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being
>> developed anymore, except for security updates.
>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail
>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.
>
> None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

In your opinion.


-Michael

 

[Drew]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

You are basically an IDIOT if you think Vista is so bad !!..I will put this
Vista machine (My own custom build) against ANY xp machine !! and I
guarantee THIS machine will out perform it...I have stressed the hell out of
it and NEVER a problem !!.When you say all over the internet I highly doubt
that there are that many when you consider the sales versus
complaints...Also do you have actual proof that customers are returning
Vista to the stores versus those who are happily using it (once again I
doubt it !)...There are still a lot of people out there still using 98
because of bad experiences with xp !! Research it !!!..I know businesses
that still use NT because of bad experiences with xp....99.9% of errors with
Vista are operator error trying to (example) use a Ford model t starter in a
07 corvette..Hell you can't blame Microsoft for computer builders putting
Vista on machines that face it are not and should not have it installed
although they say it will work fine...Computer builders also have a tendency
to install a lot of crap on there machines that we ALL know screws things
up..This system was built expressly for Vista (no other op system
previous)..I do a lot of photo editing,,gaming,,music mixing and various
other projects and have NEVER had a glitch...I have run stress test after
stress test and have never had a crash !! The key is (like any other op
system) keeping up with drivers as well as antivirus and antspyware
protection and do not do what many people have done and just not protect
themselves from others (and now we are forced to live with UAC) why you
might ask ?? Because way too may people complained to Microsoft that there
computers should be protected right from the start within the op
system...That is not what an op system does..That is what we have other
software companies for !!..People like you have no concept of patience or
understanding of what an op system should be or do...When you think you ca
do better or even have a REAL argument please feel free to post back with
results...Until then do NOT post drivel unless you know what you are talking
about

Running Vista Business
Intel core2 2.66 processor
Intel D975XBX2 motherboard
4gigs of Kingston HyperX ddr2 800
Nvidia 7900gs graphics card
2 160gig Seagate Barracuda's
Razer Death adder mouse
Saitek's eclipse keyboard
Dell 24" digital flat panel
Logitech's z5300E sound system
Logitech's ultra webcam
Themaltake Armor case
Antec 600watt power supply
Hp 3600n laser printer
Visioneer 9020 scanner
Epson photomate printer

All working in perfect harmony with

Logitech's G25 racing wheel
Saiteks' x52 flight control system
Microsoft Xbox wireless controller
Oh wait I gotta go now I have an actual life and a computer that works
perfectly but I look forward to your post back with PROOF !!!

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a0d601@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> >Windows Mail
> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>
> win mail IS outlook express with small changes and a new name!
> the most significant change is that it doesn't use DBX anymore.. but even
> THAT creates problems....
>
> >Better all-around performance due to MUCH better
>> memory management (I have 1 GB) and MUCH
>
> Vista performance improvement? You are delusional man.... sheeshhhh
> Vista is slower than XP. Its all around the internet.. but it seems you
> dont surf that much.
> What are you doing? Sitting in front of vista playing with flip 3d and
> sidebar all day?
>
> The real world shows that vista is FAR behind in performance compared to
> XP.
> When cornered the vista users throw this excuse:
>
> "No new version of windows was ever faster than its predecessor"
>
>>and MUCH better included apps
>
> Dont make me laugh! What better apps? The games? Or the snippet tool? lol
> La-dee-daaa!
>
> The only thing that you could say is a plus is media center for home
> users... since it is vista home premium is the equivilent of
> XP home....
>
> But I personally dont like media center...
>
>
> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
> news:F791367D-702E-435E-8817-49AC098EB29D@microsoft.com...
>> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a0d095@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> Just because vista has a flashy theme doesnt make it better technology.
>>> It doesnt really have much more to offer. Sorry.
>>
>> The theme is the least of Vista's improvements. One of the machines I'm
>> running it on is a ThinkPad T41 laptop. I can't even GET Aero because
>> of the video card (32 meg Mobility Radeon 9000), but I'd still rather use
>> Vista than XP on this machine. Better all-around performance due to
>> MUCH better memory management (I have 1 GB) and MUCH better included
>> apps. Windows Mail is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>

 

[MICHAEL]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"


* John John:
> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>
>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>> versions of Windows...
>
> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
> stockings!

To most consumers who had never experienced Win2000,
because it wasn't aimed at the masses- WinXP was a huge
leap in performance and stability.


-Michael

 

[Michael Jennings]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:%23a0NSyuyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>* Mike:
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> * Mike:
>>>> Windows Mail
>>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.
>>
>>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being
>>> developed anymore, except for security updates.
>>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail
>>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.
>>
>> None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.
>
> In your opinion.

I agree with that!

WinMail is repulsive. If you know about OE's quirk of vaporizing the store,
and have provided for that by moving the store to another disk and making
a clone backup, then I think OE is less uncomfortable - better - than
WinMail.
I'd rather prepare and deal with occasional tedium than experience constant
exasperation or chance a catastrophe. That suits me - it may not suit
others.

 

[MICHAEL]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

* Mike:
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:hln1a35slul94g12el8g5qrb3ls811idic@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:23:33 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:
>>
>> Those comments illustrate your expertise level. No serious user would
>> touch Windows Mail or Outlook Express with a ten foot pole or pretend
>> either is a newsreader.
>
> What should I use? Agent? Agent sucks rocks for reading/replying. It's
> great for downloading binaries, however.
>
> The reason I normally use OS X for newsgroups is because there is nothing on
> Windows as good as MT-NW.

Thunderbird. I use it for newsgroups. I use Outlook for email.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/



-Michael

 

[Ian Betts]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

All you people make me laugh, Your all so young I guess and have time to
argue the merits of software. The problem is never the software its the
operator. If you people cannot learn to use the old and the new where the
hell do you own a computer in the first place.



--
Ian

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
news:OuqhHauyHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a0c4b4$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> http://news.com.com/Vistas+growing+...P/2100-1016_3-6197757.html?tag=html.alert.hed
>>
>> David Daoud ran into trouble when he started using Vista, the new version
>> of Windows that Microsoft and PC makers have spent millions of dollars
>> advertising since it came out six months ago.
>>
>> He said it short-circuited key software programs he counts on: Quicken
>> for balancing his checkbook, Lotus Notes e-mail and a networking program
>> that connects his home to the office. His Sony camcorder also doesn't
>> communicate with the PC properly.
>>
>> "Basically they don't work," said Daoud, a computer industry analyst with
>> market research firm IDC.
>>
>> Such problems are part of the normal growing pains that come with every
>> major upgrade to the Windows operating system.
>>
>> To ease those pains, some consumers are seeking out machines equipped
>> with the more compatible Windows XP. That's prompted some PC makers and
>> retailers to give the older operating system more room in their product
>> lines.
>>
>> Hewlett-Packard and Dell recently started selling XP machines on their
>> Web sites. Lenovo Group and Toshiba also offer similarly equipped
>> machines.
>>
>> Microsoft has done its best to get Vista off to a strong start, making it
>> compatible with more than 2 million different types of hardware.
>>
>> The effort seems to be paying off. The company late on Thursday reported
>> quarterly revenue of $13.4 billion, up 13 percent from last year, citing
>> help from strong Vista sales.
>>
>> Microsoft says most people using Vista are pleased with it and that
>> nearly all software and hardware is compatible.
>>
>> Still, some companies have been slow to respond to Microsoft's call for
>> upgrades. Consumers have taken note.
>>
>> Craig Rabe, owner of the Computer Cafe, an independent computer store in
>> Arlington, Mass., says he received so many complaints about Vista after
>> it was launched in February that he stopped selling machines loaded with
>> the software.
>>
>> "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace
>> it with XP?'" he said.
>>
>> Testing users' comfort level
>> The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is advising incoming freshmen
>> to buy PCs loaded with Windows XP.
>>
>> "XP is still fully functional. It's what people are familiar with," said
>> Jon Hunt, who made the decision for MIT. But he expects MIT will soon
>> start supporting Vista.
>>
>> Among retailers, CompUSA says it has the widest selection of XP machines,
>> something it plans to tout during the busy back-to-school sales season.
>>
>> Circuit City Stores offers nine XP models on its Web site. Best Buy does
>> not carry XP machines.
>>
>> The Windows User Group says Vista is an "awesome" system and all of its
>> employees use it. But the company, which provides technical advice on
>> Windows and runs online communities, cautions that the switch can be
>> uncomfortable.
>>
>> "My father-in-law, my niece, my accountant--they all have computers
>> running XP now. If they put Vista on top, not everything is going to
>> work," said WUG vice president Joel Diamond.
>>
>> Microsoft says it has put a lot of effort into working with other
>> companies to solve any problems.
>>
>> "There are some products that don't work with it," said Windows group
>> product manager Justin Jed. "But ... the data shows louder than the
>> anecdotes that people are having a great experience with Windows Vista."
>>
>> He says 72 percent of users have a "favorable" view of Vista, 8 percent
>> "unfavorable," with the rest neutral.
>>
>> What's more, about 96 percent of all printers, keyboards, mice, scanners
>> and other devices in use are compatible with Vista, as are about 2,000
>> software programs, including 49 of the current 50 best-selling retail
>> titles, he says.
>>
>> But while Adobe recently introduced a version of Photoshop professional
>> that works with Vista, customers with the previous edition have to pay
>> $199 for an upgrade.
>>
>> Norton SystemWorks, a $70 security program, has yet to be made Vista
>> compatible though the company says it is in the works. TiVo software for
>> linking to PCs is also incompatible.
>>
>> Microsoft declined to comment on specific problems.
>>
>> "We are going after the ones that impact the most customers," Jed said.
>> "Obviously you cannot be all things to all people."
>>
>
>
> If such problems exist, and MS is aware of it, why not a disclaimer on the
> box or sheet inside the box indicating those 3rd party apps versions, and
> hardware? Is the list that long? Or is MS in pseudo-denial again?
>
> Dave
>
>

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

The problem is "Never the software"? Boy, you are SO WRONG, it's funny.


"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote in message
news:74BC0E1C-2FF7-4755-A553-BE6FF9CDD4F6@microsoft.com...
> All you people make me laugh, Your all so young I guess and have time to
> argue the merits of software. The problem is never the software its the
> operator. If you people cannot learn to use the old and the new where the
> hell do you own a computer in the first place.
>
>
>
> --
> Ian
>
> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
> news:OuqhHauyHHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a0c4b4$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> http://news.com.com/Vistas+growing+...P/2100-1016_3-6197757.html?tag=html.alert.hed
>>>
>>> David Daoud ran into trouble when he started using Vista, the new
>>> version of Windows that Microsoft and PC makers have spent millions of
>>> dollars advertising since it came out six months ago.
>>>
>>> He said it short-circuited key software programs he counts on: Quicken
>>> for balancing his checkbook, Lotus Notes e-mail and a networking program
>>> that connects his home to the office. His Sony camcorder also doesn't
>>> communicate with the PC properly.
>>>
>>> "Basically they don't work," said Daoud, a computer industry analyst
>>> with market research firm IDC.
>>>
>>> Such problems are part of the normal growing pains that come with every
>>> major upgrade to the Windows operating system.
>>>
>>> To ease those pains, some consumers are seeking out machines equipped
>>> with the more compatible Windows XP. That's prompted some PC makers and
>>> retailers to give the older operating system more room in their product
>>> lines.
>>>
>>> Hewlett-Packard and Dell recently started selling XP machines on their
>>> Web sites. Lenovo Group and Toshiba also offer similarly equipped
>>> machines.
>>>
>>> Microsoft has done its best to get Vista off to a strong start, making
>>> it compatible with more than 2 million different types of hardware.
>>>
>>> The effort seems to be paying off. The company late on Thursday reported
>>> quarterly revenue of $13.4 billion, up 13 percent from last year, citing
>>> help from strong Vista sales.
>>>
>>> Microsoft says most people using Vista are pleased with it and that
>>> nearly all software and hardware is compatible.
>>>
>>> Still, some companies have been slow to respond to Microsoft's call for
>>> upgrades. Consumers have taken note.
>>>
>>> Craig Rabe, owner of the Computer Cafe, an independent computer store in
>>> Arlington, Mass., says he received so many complaints about Vista after
>>> it was launched in February that he stopped selling machines loaded with
>>> the software.
>>>
>>> "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace
>>> it with XP?'" he said.
>>>
>>> Testing users' comfort level
>>> The Massachusetts Institute of Technology is advising incoming freshmen
>>> to buy PCs loaded with Windows XP.
>>>
>>> "XP is still fully functional. It's what people are familiar with," said
>>> Jon Hunt, who made the decision for MIT. But he expects MIT will soon
>>> start supporting Vista.
>>>
>>> Among retailers, CompUSA says it has the widest selection of XP
>>> machines, something it plans to tout during the busy back-to-school
>>> sales season.
>>>
>>> Circuit City Stores offers nine XP models on its Web site. Best Buy does
>>> not carry XP machines.
>>>
>>> The Windows User Group says Vista is an "awesome" system and all of its
>>> employees use it. But the company, which provides technical advice on
>>> Windows and runs online communities, cautions that the switch can be
>>> uncomfortable.
>>>
>>> "My father-in-law, my niece, my accountant--they all have computers
>>> running XP now. If they put Vista on top, not everything is going to
>>> work," said WUG vice president Joel Diamond.
>>>
>>> Microsoft says it has put a lot of effort into working with other
>>> companies to solve any problems.
>>>
>>> "There are some products that don't work with it," said Windows group
>>> product manager Justin Jed. "But ... the data shows louder than the
>>> anecdotes that people are having a great experience with Windows Vista."
>>>
>>> He says 72 percent of users have a "favorable" view of Vista, 8 percent
>>> "unfavorable," with the rest neutral.
>>>
>>> What's more, about 96 percent of all printers, keyboards, mice, scanners
>>> and other devices in use are compatible with Vista, as are about 2,000
>>> software programs, including 49 of the current 50 best-selling retail
>>> titles, he says.
>>>
>>> But while Adobe recently introduced a version of Photoshop professional
>>> that works with Vista, customers with the previous edition have to pay
>>> $199 for an upgrade.
>>>
>>> Norton SystemWorks, a $70 security program, has yet to be made Vista
>>> compatible though the company says it is in the works. TiVo software for
>>> linking to PCs is also incompatible.
>>>
>>> Microsoft declined to comment on specific problems.
>>>
>>> "We are going after the ones that impact the most customers," Jed said.
>>> "Obviously you cannot be all things to all people."
>>>
>>
>>
>> If such problems exist, and MS is aware of it, why not a disclaimer on
>> the box or sheet inside the box indicating those 3rd party apps versions,
>> and hardware? Is the list that long? Or is MS in pseudo-denial again?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>

 

[Bob I]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

What is it with all this new fangled graphical user interface stuff
anyway, all it does is waste processor time that would be better used
reading punch cards! <GDnR>

Ian Betts wrote:

> All you people make me laugh, Your all so young I guess and have time to
> argue the merits of software. The problem is never the software its the
> operator. If you people cannot learn to use the old and the new where
> the hell do you own a computer in the first place.
>
>
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any DBX
corruption.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uVMhM6uyHHA.5204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:%23a0NSyuyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>* Mike:
>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OvRwTRuyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> * Mike:
>>>>> Windows Mail
>>>>> is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!
>>>> With that statement, you have lost all credibility.
>>>
>>>> by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being
>>>> developed anymore, except for security updates.
>>>> To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail
>>>> was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.
>>>
>>> None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.
>>
>> In your opinion.
>
> I agree with that!
>
> WinMail is repulsive. If you know about OE's quirk of vaporizing the
> store,
> and have provided for that by moving the store to another disk and making
> a clone backup, then I think OE is less uncomfortable - better - than
> WinMail.
> I'd rather prepare and deal with occasional tedium than experience
> constant
> exasperation or chance a catastrophe. That suits me - it may not suit
> others.
>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

And has much better hardware support than Win2K.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:ufCrPzuyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> * John John:
>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>>> versions of Windows...
>>
>> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
>> stockings!
>
> To most consumers who had never experienced Win2000,
> because it wasn't aimed at the masses- WinXP was a huge
> leap in performance and stability.
>
>
> -Michael