"People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

[Michael Jennings]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Proper usage reduces the potential problem to exactly nil. Most users
would rather not be bothered with proper usage - too much trouble.
WinMail is better for most users, who prefer not having to take care
by moving the store to another disk and making clone backups. If you
use OE and you don't do this, you chance kissing the store goodbye.

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eKS8iBwyHHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> I'm fully aware of the OE "problems". Been responding to them for years.
> But while they exist and are encountered by others, I've never seen it
> first hand, not on my machine nor on any other machine I've worked on.
> Yes, it's a bit fragile, but proper usage reduces the potential problem to
> near nil.
>
> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eccL91vyHHA.6028@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> OE can seem to be very well behaved. Your experience is only uncommon for
>> the situation where there are millions of individuals. In that case the,
>> "help, all my messages are gone," subject line in the OE newsgroup made a
>> regular appearance. OE's data structure has performance at the cost of
>> fragility - a one bit hit will do the trick. See the Steve Cochran and
>> Tom Koch OE sites.
>>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>> news:OIx2EcvyHHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any
>>> DBX corruption.

 

[Gary]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"


"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
news:7871B3FD-64D8-45BC-BCA6-3B6D69A9BF6F@microsoft.com...
> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OT425bvyHHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> What is it with all this new fangled graphical user interface stuff
>> anyway, all it does is waste processor time that would be better used
>> reading punch cards! <GDnR>
>
> Yeah! Hard disks? Gimme mag tape! RAM? Gimme core memory!
>
> I've actually done COBOL programming using punch cards. IBM 026, 029 and
> 129 keypunches! Those were the days, man.
>
> Mike
>

Ahhhh yes you just haven't lived until you try and fix one of those 64K core
memory cards.
And YES those were the days. Kids don't know sh*t today.

 

[Frank]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:15:49 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:
>
>
>>Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:42:50 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You're completely lost aren't you?
>
>
> Not at all. I can read you like a book. A 1st grade book.
>
> See Frankie.
> See Frankie whine.
> See Frankie whine and stamp his feet.
> See Frankie make an ass of himself.
> See Frankie whine some more.
> See Frankie pout.
>

I bet you got all of that from looking in a mirror didn't you.
LOL!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Alias wrote:

> I know that most people who use Outhouse Express think that UPS stands
> for United Parcel Service.


You know nothing!
Get lost fool.
Frank

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

For upgraders from Win 9x, it could be a veritable nightmare.. there was a
corresponding leap in the resources required.. XP was far less tolerant of
even minor hardware faults.. many modems, some keyboards, setups where
printers piggybacked onto scanners, and other hardware became defunct, as
did programs like Quicken 6 and Corel WordPerfect Suite 7.. PII's and low
end PIII's running 64mb RAM were about as much use as a chocolate coffee
pot..

But you know all of this..




"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:ufCrPzuyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> * John John:
>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>>> versions of Windows...
>>
>> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
>> stockings!
>
> To most consumers who had never experienced Win2000,
> because it wasn't aimed at the masses- WinXP was a huge
> leap in performance and stability.
>
>
> -Michael

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[XS11E]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:

> And when XP was released, some came back and asked for Windows
> 98..

Not worth arguing with him, Mike. You know he has no idea what he's
talking about or he wouldn't have posted a completely bogus article.

>> He said it short-circuited key software programs he counts on:
>> Quicken for balancing his checkbook

Quicken, of course, runs perfectly on Vista Ultimate 64 for me.

>> "Basically they don't work," said Daoud, a computer industry
>> analyst with market research firm IDC.

The OP wants us to believe that "a computer industry analyst" is too
computer illiterate to run Quicken? The article is bogus and the OP is
merely displaying his ignorance of Vista.



--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

 

[MICHAEL]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

I also know, all that was worth it. XP was an
entirely different code base than Win9x, so
there was most definitely going to be issues
when the masses moved to XP.
Vista is *not* an entirely new code base.
It's more like a major update along the lines of
Windows 98SE or XP SP2.

I look back at XP and I remember some of the problems,
but I also remember how much better/faster/stable XP was
once the driver issues settled down. I haven't really experienced
many incompatibilities with Vista, that's not my point. My
Vista machines work well- but so did my XP machines. The
leap of performance and stability I felt when moving to XP,
I do not feel with Vista. I really feel like I've paid for nothing
more than a major service pack or XP Second Edition.

-Michael

* Mike Hall - MVP:
> For upgraders from Win 9x, it could be a veritable nightmare.. there was a
> corresponding leap in the resources required.. XP was far less tolerant of
> even minor hardware faults.. many modems, some keyboards, setups where
> printers piggybacked onto scanners, and other hardware became defunct, as
> did programs like Quicken 6 and Corel WordPerfect Suite 7.. PII's and low
> end PIII's running 64mb RAM were about as much use as a chocolate coffee
> pot..
>
> But you know all of this..
>
>
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:ufCrPzuyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> * John John:
>>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>>>> versions of Windows...
>>> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
>>> stockings!
>> To most consumers who had never experienced Win2000,
>> because it wasn't aimed at the masses- WinXP was a huge
>> leap in performance and stability.
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>

 

[Drew]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Why on God's green earth would one spend a frickin fortune on a good solid
running system and not put a ups on it ???..Probably the same people that
more or less forced Microsoft to put UAC in Vista...I have never owned a
computer that I did not have surge protection and battery backup on..You are
basically stupid if you don't
"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:%23S9fCKwyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Gary wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:%23jt9NvvyHHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any
>>>>>> DBX corruption.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to
>>>>> your computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>> Gawd...only an idiot like you would do something as stupidly idiotic as
>>>> that...lol...now that's really. really dumb.
>>>> But, when you consider the source...well....
>>>> Frank
>>> Are you saying that power outages never happen, Frankie Boy?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> Does "UPS" mean anything to you?
>
> To me, yes, and I use one. To most people who use Outhouse Express, no.
> They think it means United Parcel Service.
>
> Alias

 

[carl feredeck]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

people report that when the inbox-outbox grows bigger and bigger with
windows mail
because each message is a seperate eml file everything slows down to point
where it is irritating.

I havent reached so many messages yet on a vista machine.. but I can imagine
that what they are saying is true


"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OhWVuRwyHHA.5204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Proper usage reduces the potential problem to exactly nil. Most users
> would rather not be bothered with proper usage - too much trouble.
> WinMail is better for most users, who prefer not having to take care
> by moving the store to another disk and making clone backups. If you
> use OE and you don't do this, you chance kissing the store goodbye.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eKS8iBwyHHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I'm fully aware of the OE "problems". Been responding to them for years.
>> But while they exist and are encountered by others, I've never seen it
>> first hand, not on my machine nor on any other machine I've worked on.
>> Yes, it's a bit fragile, but proper usage reduces the potential problem
>> to near nil.
>>
>> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eccL91vyHHA.6028@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> OE can seem to be very well behaved. Your experience is only uncommon
>>> for the situation where there are millions of individuals. In that case
>>> the, "help, all my messages are gone," subject line in the OE newsgroup
>>> made a regular appearance. OE's data structure has performance at the
>>> cost of fragility - a one bit hit will do the trick. See the Steve
>>> Cochran and Tom Koch OE sites.
>>>
>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>>> news:OIx2EcvyHHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any
>>>> DBX corruption.
>
>

 

[Telstar]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"


"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a0c9de@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> No no no.. that is not a good analogy.
>
> A good analogy is that windows Me users wanted win98 back because WinMe
> was crap!
> The same thing is happening with winXP and Vista now.

Wrong.

I will not write any more words than that.

 

[Telstar]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"


"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a0d095@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> Just because vista has a flashy theme doesnt make it better technology. It
> doesnt really have much more to offer. Sorry.
>
> I like new software... there is only one acception from all the software I
> have ever used in my life. Vista.

Exception...can you spell?

> Vista is new but it is so bad

Not supported diatribe. Go Away.

that even though my habbits are to always have
> the latest and greatest,
> vistas poor quality made me change that. I mean I can put up with a lot of
> crap.. but I also have to get things done!
>
>
> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
> news:13435D14-461A-4E18-B8B3-621B29FB8165@microsoft.com...
>> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46a0c9de@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>> I dont know anyone from my experience that went from 98 to XP and wanted
>>> 98 back! Win98 was horrid compared to XP!
>>
>> Then you don't know many people.
>>
>> Most people are naturally resistant to change. They don't like "new"
>> when they are comfortable with "old and familiar". In a few years time
>> people will look back at XP and think "I used to actually *use* this?"
>> I thought that about Windows 2000 a few years ago, and am quickly
>> starting to feel that way about XP.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>

 

[Telstar]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:eR1FGevyHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any DBX
>> corruption.
>>
>
> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to
> your computer.
>
> Alias

You have exposed your true brain-dean idiocy...for the 1200th time.

 

[Telstar]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"


"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
news:2D35A114-A48F-4A70-85DC-B27E84365937@microsoft.com...
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:3ok1a3l3c5kgbars0md9dr1hbv24qn7ujl@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:58:32 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:
>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>> versions of Windows.
>
> No, *you* are missing the point. No one called XP "a major leap" in
> 2001. It was called "2000 with eye candy".
>
> You seem to have no memory of this. Amazing.
>
> Mike
>
>

This is ABSOLUTELY true. Doesn't anyone have a freakin' memory? Or all you
all 11 year olds?

 

[Telstar]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:89n1a31lh5pc5hn9inrl1j24cb351a9god@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:17:21 -0400, "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>news:%23QFSi$tyHHA.4820@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Points that you made equally applied to the W2K-XP transition..
>>
>>I get the impression that some of these people here whining about Vista
>>are
>>too young to remember that. They apparently grew up with XP and it's all
>>they know.
>>
>>At least they certainly give that impression with their "It's too big, too
>>bloated, too much eye candy, too incompatible with existing apps/hardware,
>>no drivers" and on and on and on.
>>
>>We heard ALL of this at XP's launch, and at 2000's launch, and at NT 4's
>>launch, and at NT 3.1's launch.
>>
>>Mike
>
>
> What we also hear is the typical full of hot air Microsoft fanboy
> badly faking trying to pass himself off as expert and using this
> newsgroup to pontificate.
>
> That shoe seems to fit not only you Mike, but way too many others that
> infest this newsgroup and make it next to useless since they refuse to
> be objective and only know how to sing the praises of Microsoft rather
> than honestly trying to see BOTH sides of each issue and accepting
> many people really do have serious issues with Vista and it has
> nothing to do with drivers or hardware but failings of Vista itself
> which fanboys refuse to admit exist.
>

Why did you post this illogical crap? I want to know.

 

[Telstar]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"


"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
news:7871B3FD-64D8-45BC-BCA6-3B6D69A9BF6F@microsoft.com...
> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:OT425bvyHHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> What is it with all this new fangled graphical user interface stuff
>> anyway, all it does is waste processor time that would be better used
>> reading punch cards! <GDnR>
>
> Yeah! Hard disks? Gimme mag tape! RAM? Gimme core memory!
>
> I've actually done COBOL programming using punch cards. IBM 026, 029 and
> 129 keypunches! Those were the days, man.
>
> Mike
>

LOL...i remember submitting 30,000 ordered punch cards to run a program at
night on a mainframe with 64meg of memory. It took a special compensation
from the Chancellor of the school I was at. It used too many resources

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

What the hell is that

What the hell is that

What is a Bullhonk? Just FYI


"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uq7HXVuyHHA.5408@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>
>> You're missing the point. XP was a major leap compared to prior
>> versions of Windows...
>
> BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
> stockings!
>
> John
>

 

[Alias]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> I know that most people who use Outhouse Express think that UPS stands
>> for United Parcel Service.
>
>
> You know nothing!
> Get lost fool.
> Frank

Can't refute so you hurl another lying insult. You're getting boring,
Frankie Boy.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Telstar wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:eR1FGevyHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any DBX
>>> corruption.
>>>
>> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the plug to
>> your computer.
>>
>> Alias
>
> You have exposed your true brain-dean idiocy...for the 1200th time.
>
>

My, my another who can't refute content and can only shoot the
messenger. Ever hear of a power outage?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off andreplace it with XP?'"

Drew wrote:
> Why on God's green earth would one spend a frickin fortune on a good
> solid running system and not put a ups on it ???..Probably the same
> people that more or less forced Microsoft to put UAC in Vista...I have
> never owned a computer that I did not have surge protection and battery
> backup on..You are basically stupid if you don't

True but do eMachines, HP, Packard Bell, Dell, et al include or even
mention a UPS when they sell their machines?

Alias
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:%23S9fCKwyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Gary wrote:
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:%23jt9NvvyHHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had
>>>>>>> any DBX corruption.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try compacting your messages and while it's doing it, pull the
>>>>>> plug to your computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>> Gawd...only an idiot like you would do something as stupidly
>>>>> idiotic as that...lol...now that's really. really dumb.
>>>>> But, when you consider the source...well....
>>>>> Frank
>>>> Are you saying that power outages never happen, Frankie Boy?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Does "UPS" mean anything to you?
>>
>> To me, yes, and I use one. To most people who use Outhouse Express,
>> no. They think it means United Parcel Service.
>>
>> Alias
>

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

Re: "People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

People have reported better performance with Windows Vista compared to
Windows XP on the same computer.
Those people with relevant comparisons have compared a Clean
Installation of Windows XP to a Clean Install of Windows Vista on the
same hardware.

It really sounds like Windows Vista is not right for you.
And since Windows XP will probably be supported for several more
years, there is no reason to upgrade unless there is something needed
in Windows Vista.

Try this and tell us which performs better.
Perform a Clean Installation of Windows XP on typical hardware
available at the time of Windows XP release nearly 6 years ago.
Do the same with Windows Vista with typical hardware available 6
months ago.
Which computer has the best performance?

Windows Vista performs well on two of my older computer.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a0e21f@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> will if you are pleased with it then good for you.. but can you tell
> me these 2 things?
>
> 1) Did you have xp on the same machine you now have or is this a new
> one?
> 2) Did you compare a fresh install of XP with a fresh install of
> Vista?
> Or an old install of XP with a fresh install of vista?
>
> Dont tell me that the response of the interface of vista with non
> aero is better than XP ...
> (I am talking about the drawing of the interface, windows toolbars
> taskbars etc.)
> Please dont say that because that is 100% sure that vista refresh of
> the interface lags significantly if you dont have aero,
> compared to XP (that of course doenst have aero at all).