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Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

Synapse Syndrome wrote:

>And the fact that you think that that an ultraportable like the Macbook Air
>is especially powerful, is even more laughable.


You've been trolled. Duh.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

Mitch wrote:

> In article <jasin-FF8C1E.20550628012008@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> Gene Jones <jasin@janus.com> wrote:
>
>> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:
>>
>> > > plus the macbook air is quite a bit more feature rich than the
>> > > x-series.
>> >
>> > Still waiting to hear what you mean by 'feature rich'.

>>

> Wow, you have no clue!
>
>> fastest, thinnest, least weight slip laptop

> what is weight slip?
> This isn't fastest, isn't lowest in weight.


Only "thinnest" has some resemblance of the truth
It isn't the fastest one, and it isn't the one with the least weight

>> longest battery life

> In this kind of category, maybe -- but it isn't yet tested, fool!


OxRetard will claim that apple ads are the sacred truth

>> each individual key lights up upon ambient light / no pc has this

> Now you include the ambient controller, at least.


It is not the only one with lighted keyboards. And that "feature" is easily
the most retarded one.

>> full keyboard / no slim pc laptop has this

> Sure they have.


A lot do. OxRetard as clueless as usual. A true Mac user

>> full iphone level control on trackpad / no pc has this

> Neither has this one -- not even close. It's not on the screen, for
> one. It's not fully multi-touch, either.


What good does it do? Except for apple?

>> full quality camera / no pc laptop has this

> what is 'full quality,' idiot?


He seems to0 think that that 3rd rate camera is "quality". And yes, most PC
laptops now sold actually do have a camera built in. OxRetard showing his
being a Mac user again. Totally clueless

>> full integration with Time Capsule / no pc has this

> There are solutions to do all those functions, sure. Differently, and
> with a different hardware component.


As if having that is a must. There are better backup solutions, and they are
all not from apple

What OxRetard keeps forgetting is that this laptops most
prominent "features" are those it is just simply *lacking*

Only Mac users would be dumb enough to buy such a crippled machine
--
Hardware, n.:
The parts of a computer system that can be kicked.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>>And the fact that you think that that an ultraportable like the Macbook
>>Air
>>is especially powerful, is even more laughable.

>
> You've been trolled. Duh.
>


No, this technoretard probably really believes that.

ss.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"Gene Jones" <jasin@janus.com> wrote in message
news:jasin-7F72A2.23274228012008@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>> What kludges? You put a device with a CIFS share on the network and any
>> Windows or Linux machine can happily and easily connect to it. This is
>> nothing new. This is 1994 era stuff.

>
> why have to use a CIFS share?
>
> a massive kludge
>



<chuckle>
This dopey n00b doesn't see what a clown he is. He things that basic
networking is a "major innovation to the industry"!

ss.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"Mitch" <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote in message
news:290120080304031744%mitch@hawaii.rr...
>
> Even? Yes, of course you can do that -- but only on a machine that is
> already running an OS. See the difference?
> And yes, you can netboot on other systems, even wirelessly, but that
> isn't the benefit, either. The point was the simple tool Apple is
> providing to make it happen.
>
> It wasn't something as insanely obvious and normal as sharing a network
> drive.



Exactly. It just makes it easier. Hardly a "major innovation to the
industry".

ss.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:43:16 -0700, Gene Jones wrote:

> Spinner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > never have seen a mac user hunt and peck, they are better educated
>> > than most any computer user.

>>
>> Then why do they get so excited over a silly lighted keyboard? :)
>>
>> You DO realize that keyboards with lighted keys have been around for
>> years? They're mostly purchased by kids who want to make their
>> computers look kewl.

>
> actually they have not.


Actually they have. As confirmed by other posters to this thread.

> Apple has a patent on the technology, so no other computer vendor
> can light each "key". much less use light sensors to do so. that's
> owned by apple for many years to come.


We now see that "Gene" (alias Oxtard, I suppose?) hasn't the slightest
idea what he's talking about:

<http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Eclipse-II-Keyboard-PK02AU/dp/B000H6AY6M/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201621121&sr=8-1>

<http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-967929-0403-G11-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B000GP844S>

<http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Reclusa-Gaming-Keyboard-Black/dp/B000MR1XWK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201620767&sr=1-1>
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

troll Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Mitch wrote:
> > sockpuppet Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
> >> "Synapse Syndrome" wrote:

>
> >> > > plus the macbook air is quite a bit more feature rich
> >> > > than the x-series.

>
> >> > Still waiting to hear what you mean by 'feature rich'.

>
> > Wow, you have no clue!


Pragmatically, it is beyond the ability of most of these trolls &
sockpuppets to actually conduct an objective, honest product
comparison.

> >> fastest, thinnest, least weight slip laptop

> > what is weight slip?
> > This isn't fastest, isn't lowest in weight.

>
> Only "thinnest" has some resemblance of the truth
> It isn't the fastest one, and it isn't the one with the least weight


And is the one with the least weight also the fastest?


> >> longest battery life

> > In this kind of category, maybe -- but it isn't yet tested, fool!

>
> OxRetard will claim that apple ads are the sacred truth
>
> >> each individual key lights up upon ambient light / no pc has this

> > Now you include the ambient controller, at least.

>
> It is not the only one with lighted keyboards. And that "feature"
> is easily the most retarded one.


The design intent is obvious: the product is aimed at the 'Road
Warrior' who's giving a presentation in a dark conference room.

A presenter stumbling around in the dark is embarassing and a waste of
money: its not uncommon for the aggregate of the "waiting" audience's
time to be worth $25/minute and up.


> >> full keyboard / no slim pc laptop has this

> > Sure they have.

>
> A lot do. OxRetard as clueless as usual. A true Mac user


Again, it depends on the total feature set. For example, of those
laptops that meet a 3lb weight constraint, how many still have full
size keyboards?

Ditto for screen sizes that are comparable...call that here to be 12"
or larger.

The overall debate isn't the cherrypicking of one attribute while
ignoring all others, but instead, is the contextual feature set of the
design trade-offs made.

This is all quite reminiscient of a car test I recall from roughly 20
years ago: the Audi Coupe GT did not place first in any test
category, but by placing 2nd Place in all of the tests, the reviewer's
conclusion was that it came in first place overall.



> >> full integration with Time Capsule / no pc has this

> > There are solutions to do all those functions, sure. Differently, and
> > with a different hardware component.

>
> As if having that is a must. There are better backup
> solutions, and they are all not from apple


The fallacy here in how one chooses to define "better". From what I
understand of Time Machine, etc, isn't that it is the 'best' performer
of the utilty of backing up one's machine, but rather that it
reportedly does a reasonably good job of making sure that backups *do*
occur and does so relatively transparently without much need for
intervention from the User.

I'm sure that one could take some other backup solution and configure
it so that it checks everything every ~6 hours, but the odds are that
it would be a nusiance that each time that the Road Warrior comes back
home and plugs in, the backup utiltiy "gets in the way" by forcing
itself to the foreground, and prevents him from getting his other work
done. YMMV, but I don't consider that to be a "better" approach to
assuring that backups occur.


> Only Mac users would be dumb enough to buy such a
> crippled machine


What comparable hardware would you recommend for XP users? Key
attributes being a screen 12" or larger, under 3.01lbs, ~5 hours
battery life, real keyboard and a reasonably healthy CPU, RAM, HD,
etc.

Within the Lenovo X series, the X61's minimum weight is 3.77lbs, so it
doesn't meet the weight bogey, so its out of the running.

Within the Sony VAIO TZ series, screen size is below 12", so its out
of the running. The SZ series passes on screen, but at 4lbs fails on
weight.

Maybe the Toshiba Portege R500-S5002? Weight and Screen are okay, but
at 1.2GHz, the CPU's getting weak; keyboard's a squeeze and battery
life is <4 hours.

Averatec 1579...fails too. Ditto the Lenovo 3000.

FWIW, I'm not defending or condeming the design attributes of the MBA
- - all I'm saying is that for whatever reason, it doesn't seem that
any Windows laptop manufacturer has hit on the same combination. As
such, this appears to be the "longest lasting" (battery), "largest
screen", "high power" (CPU), "full keyboard" and <3.01 lb notebook
sold by anyone at any price, and regardless of what OS you then choose
to run on it.

Of course, this doesn't yet mean that it will be mechanically
reliable, or that it will be a marketplace success. It is, afterall,
still a new & unproven product that these attributes can only be
guessed at, based in part on the manufacturer's overall reputation.


-hh
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:42:17 -0700, Gene Jones wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Watch the Keynote, PLEASE... put yourself out of your misery.
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/keynote/

>>
>> Of course he is jealous.
>> The same thing happened when the iPhone was released.
>> The Linux kooks went on a jamboree claiming th iPhone was/is and will
>> always be a failure and that some Linux powered brick, whose name I can't
>> remember and neither can anyone else, would be the future of phones.
>>
>> It's the same old trash from the Linux kooks.

>
> yes, and now the iPhone has gone on to be one of the best selling Cell
> Phones of all time, and the BEST selling SmartPhone of all time.
>
> gosh, they don't even have a clue about what a quality product can do!
>
> things like skyhook now in the iPhone completely change the game for all
> cell carriers!
>
> http://www.skyhookwireless.com/howitworks/


It's true.
The Linux people have no clue about what average people want and will buy.
Maybe that's why they have 1000+ different Linux distributions and more
arriving every day. The problem is each one is flawed in the same way as
the one before it.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

John Slade wrote:
> "Gene Jones" <jasin@janus.com> wrote in message
> news:jasin-55A2A5.22431628012008@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>> Spinner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> never have seen a mac user hunt and peck, they are better educated than
>>>> most any computer user.
>>> Then why do they get so excited over a silly lighted keyboard? :)
>>>
>>> You DO realize that keyboards with lighted keys have been around for
>>> years? They're mostly purchased by kids who want to make their
>>> computers look kewl.

>> actually they have not. Apple has a patent on the technology, so no
>> other computer vendor can light each "key". much less use light sensors
>> to do so. that's owned by apple for many years to come.
>>
>> you are talking about lighting underneath the keyboard, like a punked
>> car in a redneck side of town, that's not even close to what apple is
>> doing. apple is lighting the "keys"... wow!

>
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripher...oard-wireless-rechargeable-backlit-184418.php
>
> You are so full of it. Microsoft has a motion sensor on it's desktop
> keyboard to sense the approach of a user.
>


LOL! I suppose some of the M$ engineers needed to have these to let
them know when sweaty Ballmer stalks up from behind. :-)))))
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

Lefty Bigfoot wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:55:06 -0600, Gene Jones wrote
> (in article
> <jasin-FF8C1E.20550628012008@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>):
>
>> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> plus the macbook air is quite a bit more feature rich than the x-series.
>>> Still waiting to hear what you mean by 'feature rich'.

>> fastest, thinnest, least weight slip laptop / no pc laptop has this

>
> So you discount any of the really tiny portable computers. For
> example, I saw an incredibly small HP computer almost 10 years
> ago, it had a very small display, maybe 320x200 resolution, and
> an incredibly small mouse that popped out of the side of it, and
> a little miniature keyboard. It was smaller. You could put it
> on your lap. It was 10 years earlier. Yes, it's not an
> equivalent comparison. Given a decade of time in between, how
> could it be?


MacBook Air: Not the thinnest notebook ever
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html

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Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Jan 29, 7:53 am, Spinner <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:43:16 -0700, Gene Jones wrote:
> > Spinner <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
> >> > never have seen a mac user hunt and peck, they are better educated
> >> > than most any computer user.

>
> >> Then why do they get so excited over a silly lighted keyboard? :)

>
> >> You DO realize that keyboards with lighted keys have been around for
> >> years? They're mostly purchased by kids who want to make their
> >> computers look kewl.

>
> > actually they have not.

>
> Actually they have. As confirmed by other posters to this thread.
>
> > Apple has a patent on the technology, so no other computer vendor
> > can light each "key". much less use light sensors to do so. that's
> > owned by apple for many years to come.

>
> We now see that "Gene" (alias Oxtard, I suppose?) hasn't the slightest
> idea what he's talking about:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Eclipse-II-Keyboard-PK02AU/dp/B000H6AY6M...>
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-967929-0403-G11-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B00...>
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Reclusa-Gaming-Keyboard-Black/dp/B000...>


Those are all backlit with light coming out from between the keys.
Lit clear or translucent buttons have been around for a long time
too. I haven't seen anything quite like Apple's implementation.

Apple's patent is 6,776,497 dated August 17, 2004. The uniqueness is
that Apple has specific light guides to bring light to each key and
where the amount of key travel is not restricted; the patent
specifically mentions that this is for a portable computer, while
previous lit keyboards require either reduced key travel or increased
thickness. Apparently part of their patent is for a device that
routes light from the screen's backlight, which normally has wasted
light.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

<nono@none.not> wrote:

> MacBook Air: Not the thinnest notebook ever
> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html


nobody said "ever" was, but it IS the world's most thinnest laptop
today.... and likely to be for years to come since Apple is the only
company left that actually designs their entire machines.

the MacBook Air rocks!

nobody in the industry works at this level.

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/design.html

-
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"John Slade" <sammy@candyman.com> wrote:

> > you are talking about lighting underneath the keyboard, like a punked
> > car in a redneck side of town, that's not even close to what apple is
> > doing. apple is lighting the "keys"... wow!

>
> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/microsoft-ultimate-keyboard-wireless-re
> chargeable-backlit-184418.php
>
> You are so full of it. Microsoft has a motion sensor on it's desktop
> keyboard to sense the approach of a user.


it's just too bad the keys don't light up, nor is it a shipping product.

but if you want to limp along with a "mac wantabee" that's fine
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

Gene Jones wrote:

> <nono@none.not> wrote:
>
>> MacBook Air: Not the thinnest notebook ever
>> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9850943-7.html

>
> nobody said "ever" was, but it IS the world's most thinnest laptop
> today.... and likely to be for years to come since Apple is the only
> company left that actually designs their entire machines.
>
> the MacBook Air rocks!
>
> nobody in the industry works at this level.
>
> http://www.apple.com/macbookair/design.html
>
> -


Idiot

Is using Macs doing that to you, or are you simply stupid enough to buy into
that apple crap?
--
If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"Tom Lake" <toml_12953@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The statement directly above is a totally different claim than the original.
> The asterisks surround the original assertions.
> There are two:
> 1. The MacBook Air is the thinnest laptop in the world.
> 2. The MacBook Air is the most powerful laptop in the world.
>
> Now, #1 is almost certainly true. # 2 is certainly NOT true.
> Perhaps you meant to say that the MacBook Air it the most powerful
> laptop in the world FOR ITS SIZE. Since it's the thinnest, that IS true
> but that's not what was originally claimed.


read the sentence again in full context:

The MacBook Air is easily the thinnest, most powerful laptop in the
world, and will be for several years to come.

-

it seems you don't understand what "commas" are used for in the english
language.

-
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

Spinner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > actually they have not.

>
> Actually they have. As confirmed by other posters to this thread.


then please give an example.

> > Apple has a patent on the technology, so no other computer vendor
> > can light each "key". much less use light sensors to do so. that's
> > owned by apple for many years to come.

>
> We now see that "Gene" (alias Oxtard, I suppose?) hasn't the slightest
> idea what he's talking about:
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Eclipse-II-Keyboard-PK02AU/dp/B000H6AY6M/ref=pd_
> bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201621121&sr=8-1>


yes, just as I said, no backlit "keys", just a backlit keyboard.

<http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-967929-0403-G11-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B000GP
844S>

a clear violation of patent law, they will stop selling these within 2
weeks according to federal law.

> <http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Reclusa-Gaming-Keyboard-Black/dp/B000MR1XWK/r
> ef=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1201620767&sr=1-1>


yes, just as I said, no backlit "keys", just a backlit keyboard.

so you have two examples of a backlit "keyboard" and one example of an
illegal keyboard. great!

-
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > <http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-967929-0403-G11-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B00...>
> >
> > <http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Reclusa-Gaming-Keyboard-Black/dp/B000...>

>
> Those are all backlit with light coming out from between the keys.
> Lit clear or translucent buttons have been around for a long time
> too. I haven't seen anything quite like Apple's implementation.
>
> Apple's patent is 6,776,497 dated August 17, 2004. The uniqueness is
> that Apple has specific light guides to bring light to each key and
> where the amount of key travel is not restricted; the patent
> specifically mentions that this is for a portable computer, while
> previous lit keyboards require either reduced key travel or increased
> thickness. Apparently part of their patent is for a device that
> routes light from the screen's backlight, which normally has wasted
> light.


correct. and i will see that the 2nd example is stopped from production
since they are not allowed to light the actual "key" unless they pay
apple a royalty for each board sold.

-
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Jan 29, 3:17 pm, Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> wrote:
> y_p_w <y_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > <http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-967929-0403-G11-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B00...>

>
> > > <http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Reclusa-Gaming-Keyboard-Black/dp/B000...>

>
> > Those are all backlit with light coming out from between the keys.
> > Lit clear or translucent buttons have been around for a long time
> > too. I haven't seen anything quite like Apple's implementation.

>
> > Apple's patent is 6,776,497 dated August 17, 2004. The uniqueness is
> > that Apple has specific light guides to bring light to each key and
> > where the amount of key travel is not restricted; the patent
> > specifically mentions that this is for a portable computer, while
> > previous lit keyboards require either reduced key travel or increased
> > thickness. Apparently part of their patent is for a device that
> > routes light from the screen's backlight, which normally has wasted
> > light.

>
> correct. and i will see that the 2nd example is stopped from production
> since they are not allowed to light the actual "key" unless they pay
> apple a royalty for each board sold.


I'm not sure if lighting the key in and of itself is an infringement
of Apple's patent. I've seen any number of keyboards with translucent
keys and a full backlight (including glowing between the keys). I
looked up the Apple patent, and it doesn't seem to give them an
exclusive right to keys being lit. What they do have is a patent for
light guides that transmit light to individual keys and don't restrict
key travel

The Logitech glowing keyboard does seem to use a large backlight under
the keyboard that gives an eerie glow between the keys. It's also an
external keyboard and not as thin as a keyboard on a notebook
computer.

http://www.patentmonkey.com/PM/patentid/7196693.aspx

What Apple seems to have is a way to use a single source and light
guides. They can also vary the thickness of the light guides so that
the overall effect is uniform or keep it uniform so that the overall
effect is brighter keys closer to the source(s).
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Jan 29, 4:20 pm, y_p_w <y_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What Apple seems to have is a way to use a single source and light
> guides. They can also vary the thickness of the light guides so that
> the overall effect is uniform or keep it uniform so that the overall
> effect is brighter keys closer to the source(s).


Just to be clear what I meant - Apple seems to have patented a means
of lighting the keyboard via fiber optic light guides, rather than the
traditional way of placing lights/LEDs/etc directly under the keys.
The patent also mentions using light from the screen backlight which
would normally be wasted, although I'm not sure if this is what Apple
is doing now.

I will say that Apple's overall presentation (no light between the
keys) is very different than anything else on the market and probably
protected by this patent.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > correct. and i will see that the 2nd example is stopped from production
> > since they are not allowed to light the actual "key" unless they pay
> > apple a royalty for each board sold.

>
> I'm not sure if lighting the key in and of itself is an infringement
> of Apple's patent. I've seen any number of keyboards with translucent
> keys and a full backlight (including glowing between the keys). I
> looked up the Apple patent, and it doesn't seem to give them an
> exclusive right to keys being lit. What they do have is a patent for
> light guides that transmit light to individual keys and don't restrict
> key travel
>
> The Logitech glowing keyboard does seem to use a large backlight under
> the keyboard that gives an eerie glow between the keys. It's also an
> external keyboard and not as thin as a keyboard on a notebook
> computer.
>
> http://www.patentmonkey.com/PM/patentid/7196693.aspx
>
> What Apple seems to have is a way to use a single source and light
> guides. They can also vary the thickness of the light guides so that
> the overall effect is uniform or keep it uniform so that the overall
> effect is brighter keys closer to the source(s).


nice research y_p_w, yeah it tends to show apple owns the "attention" to
quality illumination of the key, which is typical apple.
 
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