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Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple


"Gene Jones" <jasin@janus.com> wrote in message
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> "John Slade" <sammy@candyman.com> wrote:
>
>> > you are talking about lighting underneath the keyboard, like a punked
>> > car in a redneck side of town, that's not even close to what apple is
>> > doing. apple is lighting the "keys"... wow!

>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/microsoft-ultimate-keyboard-wireless-re
>> chargeable-backlit-184418.php
>>
>> You are so full of it. Microsoft has a motion sensor on it's desktop
>> keyboard to sense the approach of a user.

>
> it's just too bad the keys don't light up, nor is it a shipping product.
>
> but if you want to limp along with a "mac wantabee" that's fine


http://www.xoxide.com/blpsilke.html?gclid=CI3Ky8P-nJECFRcesgodwSKxPA


Hundreds of backlit keyboards.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple


"Maverick" <Maverick@sun.org> wrote in message
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> John Slade wrote:
>> "Gene Jones" <jasin@janus.com> wrote in message
>> news:jasin-55A2A5.22431628012008@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>>> Spinner <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> never have seen a mac user hunt and peck, they are better educated
>>>>> than
>>>>> most any computer user.
>>>> Then why do they get so excited over a silly lighted keyboard? :)
>>>>
>>>> You DO realize that keyboards with lighted keys have been around for
>>>> years? They're mostly purchased by kids who want to make their
>>>> computers look kewl.
>>> actually they have not. Apple has a patent on the technology, so no
>>> other computer vendor can light each "key". much less use light sensors
>>> to do so. that's owned by apple for many years to come.
>>>
>>> you are talking about lighting underneath the keyboard, like a punked
>>> car in a redneck side of town, that's not even close to what apple is
>>> doing. apple is lighting the "keys"... wow!

>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripher...oard-wireless-rechargeable-backlit-184418.php
>>
>> You are so full of it. Microsoft has a motion sensor on it's desktop
>> keyboard to sense the approach of a user.
>>

>
> LOL! I suppose some of the M$ engineers needed to have these to let them
> know when sweaty Ballmer stalks up from behind. :-)))))
>


Hehehe. Yea so they can start running before he does the Balmer
Dance.

John
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple


"Gene Jones" <jasin@janus.com> wrote in message
news:jasin-C24B51.15560529012008@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> "John Slade" <sammy@candyman.com> wrote:
>
>> > you are talking about lighting underneath the keyboard, like a punked
>> > car in a redneck side of town, that's not even close to what apple is
>> > doing. apple is lighting the "keys"... wow!

>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/microsoft-ultimate-keyboard-wireless-re
>> chargeable-backlit-184418.php
>>
>> You are so full of it. Microsoft has a motion sensor on it's desktop
>> keyboard to sense the approach of a user.

>
> it's just too bad the keys don't light up, nor is it a shipping product.
>
> but if you want to limp along with a "mac wantabee" that's fine


No they're shipping and for sale.

John
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Jan 29, 8:43 pm, "John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> "Gene Jones" <ja...@janus.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jasin-45DA14.15590129012008@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
>
> > "John Slade" <sa...@candyman.com> wrote:

>
> >>     You lying jackass. Apple says it's backlit.
> >>http://www.apple.com/macbookair/design.htmlHP has this feature also.
> >> Microsoft Desktop PC keyboards have this features, I'm sure other
> >> companies
> >> make these. You are chock full of bullshit. Do yourself a favor and take
> >> a
> >> strong laxative.

>
> > but again you are talking about the full cap being "lit" underneath not
> > the actual letter ON the "key",

>
>        No the letters on the keys are lit from the light under the keyboard.
> It's the same thing on other laptops. Now think about it, do you actually
> think each key has it's own LED under it? That would be just plain dumb, the
> power consumption would be too much. Yea you think they would have over 100
> LEDs. You are clueless.


Apple's design uses only a few light sources using "optical guides" to
route the light to each key, and can include routing normally "wasted"
light from the backlight. I have yet to see an example outside of
Apple that doesn't glow between the key, is as thin as Apple's lit
keyboards, or comes on a notebook computer. All of the examples shown
in this thread have a glow between the keys.

> >only apple can do this for the next 14
> > years or so. they OWN the patent. MS can't do anything about it but
> > cheat their users into thinking they might be close to owning an Apple
> > level product.

>
>     Ok let me see that patent and prove that Apple is the only one that can
> do it for 14 years.


US Patent 6,776,497.

The US Patent office has a clumsy website. Enter the number here:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm


The following is edited for non-essential information. Anyone
interested can check the patent for the full text.

United States Patent 6,776,497
Huppi , et al. August 17, 2004
Apparatuses and methods for illuminating a keyboard

Abstract
An illumination system for a computer system. In one exemplary
embodiment, a light guide panel has a first end and a second end,
wherein lights from a light source enter the light guide panel from
the first end and exit through the second end. A light guide tube is
coupled to the second end of the light guide panel. The light guide
tube captures the lights that exit the second end and reflecting the
lights downward illuminating at least a portion of a keyboard of the
computer system. The chassis that houses the display assembly includes
a plurality of holes created along the top edge of the chassis wherein
the lights captured and reflected by the light guide tube exit through
the plurality of holes.

Inventors: Huppi; Brian (San Carlos, CA), La; Thai Q. (San Jose, CA),
Galbraith, Jr.; Walter Joseph (Sunnyvale, CA)
Assignee: Apple Computer, Inc. (Cupertino, CA)
Appl. No.: 10/300,545
Filed: November 19, 2002

BACKGROUND

Various methods exist in the prior art for illuminating keyboards. For
example, U.S. Pat. No. 6,179,432 by Zhang et al, contemplates a
keyboard having an illumination panel inserted within the keyboard.
The illumination panel in the keyboard in Zhang's patent is placed
between the keycaps and metal plate of the keyboard. Such an addition
of the illumination panel requires reconfiguration of the keyboard.
Further, integrating the illumination panel into the keyboard by
placing the illumination panel between the keycaps and the metal plate
of the keyboard decreases the key travel of the keyboard, which can be
referred to as the downward travel distance for each key in the
keyboard. In order to maintain the same key travel, the keyswitch
mechanism in the key-board has to be re-designed and as such, will
result in an increase in the overall thickness of the key-board.
Reconfiguration of the keyboard thus imposes more unnecessary cost to
the making of the keyboard. Also, illuminating the keyboards using
such conventional methods requires extra power which is not
desirable.

SUMMARY

In a conventional computer system with a backlighting display system,
some light emitted from the light source is typically wasted as the
light escapes at the end of a light guide panel. The present
invention, in one embodiment, utilizes the unused light or the escaped
light that is not used in illuminating the display assembly.
Pluralities of light guide tubes are coupled to the light guide panel
at the end portion where the light escapes. The light guide tubes
capture the escaped or unused light that would escape at the end
portion of the light guide panel. The light guide tubes redirect the
captured light out of the display chassis. In one embodiment, the
light guide tubes redirect the captured light so as to direct the
light downward to illuminate the keyboard of the computer system.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:58:30 -0500, Lefty Bigfoot wrote:
> The lights were an unexpected "Feature" when it arrived. I couldn't
> care less. They seem pointless.


If you ever work with a laptop in a dark bar, the lights are invaluable.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:58:30 -0500, Lefty Bigfoot wrote:
>> The lights were an unexpected "Feature" when it arrived. I couldn't
>> care less. They seem pointless.

>
> If you ever work with a laptop in a dark bar, the lights are invaluable.


i don't work in dark bars, but i do work on my laptop in bed at night
(darker than most bars), and on redeye flights w/o the lights on (darker
than the average bar, brighter than the darkest clubs), and never seem to
need it... can you touch type?
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

In article <13pou082i508adf@news.supernews.com>,
"Daniel Johnson" <danieljohnson2@verizon.net> wrote:

> > you can learn more about the most powerful laptop for its size in the
> > world here:

>
> Not so. The ordinary MacBook is the same size, but is more powerful.


Did Dan just say that the Macbook and the Macbook Air is the same size?

Haha, you crack me up, Dan. :P


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Sandman[.net]
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

In article <0001HW.C3C231B001AD3676F01846D8@news.verizon.net>,
Lefty Bigfoot <nunya@busyness.info> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:28:05 -0600, Gene Jones wrote
> (in article
> <jasin-F9BF5F.11280527012008@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>):
>
> > Daniel, don't be stupid, the MacBook is about twice the size, weight and
> > about the same speed. The MacBook Air is easily the thinnest, most
> > powerful laptop in the world, and will be for several years to come.

>
> Unless you want firewire.
>
> Unless you want multiple USB ports.
>
> Unless you want more memory capacity.
>
> Unless you want more storage capacity.
>
> Unless you want ExpressCard/34.
>
> Unless you want multiple batteries to quick change on a long
> flight or elsewhere.


Unless you want fourteen 1TB drives in a RAID.

Unless you want four graphics cards

Unless you want 32GB of RAM






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Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message
news:mr-BF4CFF.09551930012008@News.Individual.NET...
>>
>> > Daniel, don't be stupid, the MacBook is about twice the size, weight
>> > and
>> > about the same speed. The MacBook Air is easily the thinnest, most
>> > powerful laptop in the world, and will be for several years to come.

>>
>> Unless you want firewire.
>>
>> Unless you want multiple USB ports.
>>
>> Unless you want more memory capacity.
>>
>> Unless you want more storage capacity.
>>
>> Unless you want ExpressCard/34.
>>
>> Unless you want multiple batteries to quick change on a long
>> flight or elsewhere.

>
> Unless you want fourteen 1TB drives in a RAID.
>
> Unless you want four graphics cards
>
> Unless you want 32GB of RAM



Yeah, like those are normal laptop features. D'uh..

ss.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:10:20 -0600, Gene Jones wrote
(in article
<jasin-B64BCB.20101929012008@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>):

> y_p_w <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> correct. and i will see that the 2nd example is stopped from production
>>> since they are not allowed to light the actual "key" unless they pay
>>> apple a royalty for each board sold.

>>
>> I'm not sure if lighting the key in and of itself is an infringement
>> of Apple's patent. I've seen any number of keyboards with translucent
>> keys and a full backlight (including glowing between the keys). I
>> looked up the Apple patent, and it doesn't seem to give them an
>> exclusive right to keys being lit. What they do have is a patent for
>> light guides that transmit light to individual keys and don't restrict
>> key travel
>>
>> The Logitech glowing keyboard does seem to use a large backlight under
>> the keyboard that gives an eerie glow between the keys. It's also an
>> external keyboard and not as thin as a keyboard on a notebook
>> computer.
>>
>> http://www.patentmonkey.com/PM/patentid/7196693.aspx
>>
>> What Apple seems to have is a way to use a single source and light
>> guides. They can also vary the thickness of the light guides so that
>> the overall effect is uniform or keep it uniform so that the overall
>> effect is brighter keys closer to the source(s).

>
> nice research y_p_w, yeah it tends to show apple owns the "attention" to
> quality illumination of the key, which is typical apple.


Except it is not correct. I've just now looked at both the
Logitech G15 (I don't know what logitech model was being
described above, because he doesn't call it out) and the Macbook
Pro side by side in an otherwise pitch black room, and the
Macbook Pro keyboard /clearly/ bleeds much more light (probably
intentionally, I think the effect is more useful) around the
keys than the G15. In fact, even on the highest brightness
setting (there are 3 positions, on, low and high) the G15
lighting is almost entirely to the keycaps, with rather faint
light bleeding between the keys, almost unnoticeable. The
macbook pro on the other hand uses it much more obviously,
probably to make the size and layout of the keys more obvious
than just illuminating the cap labels alone.




--
Lefty
All of God's creatures have a place..........
..........right next to the potatoes and gravy.
See also: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:04:55 -0600, Synapse Syndrome wrote
(in article <#l9bSeyYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>):

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message
> news:mr-BF4CFF.09551930012008@News.Individual.NET...
>>>
>>>> Daniel, don't be stupid, the MacBook is about twice the size, weight
>>>> and
>>>> about the same speed. The MacBook Air is easily the thinnest, most
>>>> powerful laptop in the world, and will be for several years to come.
>>>
>>> Unless you want firewire.
>>>
>>> Unless you want multiple USB ports.
>>>
>>> Unless you want more memory capacity.
>>>
>>> Unless you want more storage capacity.
>>>
>>> Unless you want ExpressCard/34.
>>>
>>> Unless you want multiple batteries to quick change on a long
>>> flight or elsewhere.

>>
>> Unless you want fourteen 1TB drives in a RAID.
>>
>> Unless you want four graphics cards
>>
>> Unless you want 32GB of RAM

>
>
> Yeah, like those are normal laptop features. D'uh..


He does seem rather confused about the plot.

--
Lefty
All of God's creatures have a place..........
..........right next to the potatoes and gravy.
See also: http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"John Slade" <hhit...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Yea in this way this newsgroup is unique. I've never seen the same
> people stay this stupid for this long. I mean they get proven wrong over
> and over agian. They get corrected and then they act like it never happened.
> It's like some insane little cult.


Speaking of correcting John Slade...

....who claims that DIY assemblies typifies the market (yet ignores
that 49% are now laptops)

....who claims that you can never DIY repair an OEM PC: only one that
you originally built from scratch

....who doesn't know what a Patent is (such as 6,776,497)

....who claimed that Microsoft Surface is "new" and
"innovative" (failing to notice that they had also demo'ed it at the
2006 CES).

....oh, and that the multi-touch iPhone exists (and has actually made
it to the marketplace)


....and who promptly killfiles anyone who drop-kicks his skinny ass
across the room

"You're banished! I'm getting a new tucker-inner! Banished, banished,
banished!"


Yup, "Slade" boy is almost as sane as Prince Hapnick.



-hh
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

Lefty Bigfoot <nu...@busyness.info> wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> > -hh wrote:

>
> > < snip Mac users bullshit >
> >
> > This has what to do exactly with linux? Or with windows?


Answer: "John Slade" is **not** a Mac user. Currently, I'm not either
(check this post's headers).


> > You are aware that you twits (typical Mac users, no doubt)
> > crosspost your inane garbage into more groups than the
> > one reserved for cretins (CSMA)?

>
> This is an interesting complaint, since I've noticed a lot of
> your posts being cross-posted in the other direction lately.  


Exactly.

Peter is proving that he is a hypocrite by daring to complain when
someone does to him what he is currently doing to others.

As the slang goes: "He can dish it out, but he can't take it".


> Practice what you preach, and it will inspire others to follow
> your lead.




By cross-posting *back*, this is a PSA that is purposefully using the
same lame "tactic" that Peter Köhlmann has initiated, specifically to
illustrate how lame it is.


I don't want to 'pollute' Peter's "home" discussion groups in revenge
for how Peter is currently polluting in other people's home discussion
groups. What I want is for Peter to stop his polluting of CSMA.

The only person who can change this is Peter.

And for Peter to now complain about it is high irony, because by doing
so, he is ultimately criticizing himself and thus revealing himself as
a hypocrite.


-hh
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Jan 30, 3:04 am, Lefty Bigfoot <nu...@busyness.info> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:01:58 -0600,y_p_wwrote
> (in article
> <65bd62d1-5daa-40d9-bba5-
> 1d435e7bf...@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Apple's design uses only a few light sources using "optical guides" to
> > route the light to each key, and can include routing normally "wasted"
> > light from the backlight.  I have yet to see an example outside of
> > Apple that doesn't glow between the key, is as thin as Apple's lit
> > keyboards, or comes on a notebook computer.  All of the examples shown
> > in this thread have a glow between the keys.


Then I stand corrected. I don't have a MacBook Pro and haven't done
anything more than play with one in a well lit room. I went by the
animations of the MBP on the Apple website which don't show any
leakage of light around the keys.

However - I still haven't seen any other implementation of such in a
notebook computer, where getting it thin is the key. In any case,
Apple has a unique, patented implementation. The patent itself noted
that previous lighted keyboard implementations had problems because
they took up space between the keys and plate and either reduced key
travel or required an increase in thickness.
 
RE: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple



"unknown" wrote:

>


Who cares? Why do you continue to post this comment? I refuse to use
anything Intel due to their monopolistic business practices. It is common
knowledge that Intel uses illegal and unethical practices to corner the
market.

C.B.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@t-online.de> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>>
> > As the slang goes: "He can dish it out, but he can't take it".

>
> You mean, when I *answer* an idiot from CSMA... I
> should not set follow-up to your group of total cretins?


Correct, you should not.

Insofar as why, there's a variety of reasons. The simplest is that it
makes you no better than the trolls.


> I am *not* interested in the garbage you and your ilk spout.
> Not a tiny little bit. And I also don't care for what you morons
> take as an "answer"


Do you realize that what you claim is a complete and utter lie?

The reason why its a lie is because your *actions* disprove what you
*say*: if you honestly didn't care, then you wouldn't have bothered
to have responded. EVER. The fact that you have responded is the
proof that you do care, despite your claims to the contrary.


> For that very reason I don't care for your idiotic CSMA. I don't read it,
> and you can have it for yourself.


By you responding to trolls -- at all -- you are rewarding their bad
behavior, which merely encourages them to troll you more: you've
allowed yourself to be manipulated - - congratulations, LOSER!

And now that you're doing "revenge" trolling, it means that that you
are not only no better than they are, but actually as bad as what you
*accuse* them of. Thus, Peter is a *double* loser.


> And keep your cretins there.


And just how is one supposed to do that?
Specifics, please.

And also prove that your method actually works by using it to stop the
trolling into CSMA being performed by Peter Köhlmann.


> They can exchange their grunts there to their hearts
> content, without pouring their filth across usenet


Oh, what a wonderful Lebensraum ideological expression, from Peter,
the Defender of Usenet!! It matters not that it is hypocracy. It
matters not that it is bigotry. And it matters not what the
"Volksverhetzung" in Peter's local German penal code says about it at
all.


-hh
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

"Lefty Bigfoot" <nunya@busyness.info> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C3C4104E0032FA8AF01846D8@news.verizon.net...
>
> I have a MBP with it, and I don't find it amazing at all. In
> fact, I have it set to 0% so it doesn't just waste battery
> clicking on/off when you move your hands over the sensors in
> normal use in moderately low light conditions.
>


This guy does not even have a Powerbook, let alone a Macbook. If he did, he
would not be so excited about the keyboard that lights up. It just doesn't
add up.

ss.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

In article <#l9bSeyYIHA.1532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote:

> "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net> wrote in message
> news:mr-BF4CFF.09551930012008@News.Individual.NET...
> >>
> >> > Daniel, don't be stupid, the MacBook is about twice the size, weight
> >> > and
> >> > about the same speed. The MacBook Air is easily the thinnest, most
> >> > powerful laptop in the world, and will be for several years to come.
> >>
> >> Unless you want firewire.
> >>
> >> Unless you want multiple USB ports.
> >>
> >> Unless you want more memory capacity.
> >>
> >> Unless you want more storage capacity.
> >>
> >> Unless you want ExpressCard/34.
> >>
> >> Unless you want multiple batteries to quick change on a long
> >> flight or elsewhere.

> >
> > Unless you want fourteen 1TB drives in a RAID.
> >
> > Unless you want four graphics cards
> >
> > Unless you want 32GB of RAM

>
> Yeah, like those are normal laptop features. D'uh..


Why stop with "normal"? I want it to be extraordinaire! It's not
enough that it only has one USB port, it should have FIFTY usb ports!!
Twenty firewire ports! Dual Geforce 8800 Ultra in SLI mode! A 50-hour
battery! 10TB hard drive! A million gigabytes in ram!! Hamsters
rotating on a stick! Anything I can think of that it does not have! It
must have it, because it does not have it. it is essential! We can not
live without fourteen full-length PCI slots and fifty 5" drive bays!
It must have it!

Pffft, thin! It should be 2mm thick! 30" screen! measure only 10x15cm!
Full size keyboard, control pad, joystick, wacom board, gsm phone, 3g
phone, flight yoke and car wheel! It should run of air (hence the
NAME!) and have a built in espresso-maker! If it does not it must be
utter trash! And no one wil buy it!

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Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Jan 30, 11:54 am, Spinner <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:10:20 -0700, Gene Jones wrote:
> >y_p_w<y_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I guarantee it isn't an infringement of any Apple patent, because
> others were there first and Apple can't patent someone else's prior
> art.


I don't disagree with you.

> >> I've seen any number of keyboards with translucent
> >> keys and a full backlight (including glowing between the keys). I
> >> looked up the Apple patent, and it doesn't seem to give them an
> >> exclusive right to keys being lit. What they do have is a patent for
> >> light guides that transmit light to individual keys and don't restrict
> >> key travel

>
> Light guides are old hat, too. All Apple is doing here is patenting
> their specific implementation so nobody else can clone their hardware
> verbatim.


Of course light guides are old hat, down to the old plastic fiber
light decorations I remember from the 70's. Light guides for a
keyboard seem to be someone a little different.

I went through enough of it to see the benefits of their
implementation. Varying the diameter of the light guides going to
different parts of the keyboard so that the overall effect is evenly
lit keys. Using normally wasted light from the display's backlight.
Reducing the thickness of an illuminated keyboard where there's no
need for additional thickness or reduced key travel.

> >> The Logitech glowing keyboard does seem to use a large backlight under
> >> the keyboard that gives an eerie glow between the keys. It's also an
> >> external keyboard and not as thin as a keyboard on a notebook computer.

>
> I was only refuting Gene's false claim that Apple had "innovated"
> backlighted keys. And note, by the way, that these backlighted PC
> keyboards are targeted almost exclusively at kids, gamers, and
> modders. The general PC market just isn't interested in backlighted
> keyboards because most people only use their computers in well-lighted
> rooms. For the relative few of us who need to use our laptops in the
> dark, a USB light is a far better solution because it also provides
> illumination for a scratchpad, notes, books, reference manuals,
> sorting through CD's, plugging in cables, etc. There's simply no
> reason for laptop manufacturers to bother with backlighted keyboards.


I disagree. Apple has chosen a different implementation, and all I
see is people dumping on it simply because they're Apple. I don't see
the big deal either way.

The general PC market is interested in lowest cost.
 
Re: Once again, Intel builds a CPU just for Apple

On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:44:11 -0500, ed wrote:
> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> wrote in message
> news:2UUnj.65237$_m.31133@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:58:30 -0500, Lefty Bigfoot wrote:
>>> The lights were an unexpected "Feature" when it arrived. I couldn't
>>> care less. They seem pointless.

>>
>> If you ever work with a laptop in a dark bar, the lights are invaluable.

>
> i don't work in dark bars, but i do work on my laptop in bed at night
> (darker than most bars), and on redeye flights w/o the lights on (darker
> than the average bar, brighter than the darkest clubs), and never seem to
> need it... can you touch type?
>


Yeah, I'm fairly fast at the keyboard.
 
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