Windows Vista Trolls and MVPs?

[Ian Betts]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it does feed
trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they know it all, but
that is where I disagree with just leaving them alone because they mislead
and distract those that are here for real information.

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"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper@email.com> wrote:
>
>> I not only block trolls but I block those who perpetuate
>> discussions with them. It does help with the message traffic here
>> on a daily basis. ;-)
>
> I tend to agree but I'm reluctant to killfile certain MVPs who often
> give useful information but are among the worst offenders. I guess
> there's no other alternative...
>
>
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[Ian Betts]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

This is a MS, NG and has not mods.



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"TeMerc" <TeMerc.2uedd6@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> I have to say that being a recent member I find it alarming at the level
> of back and forth between these two groups.
>
> They seem to hijack many of the threads, leaving the actual OP and
> others to wade thru their muck mire.
>
> And if I may inquire, where are the Mods to take some action? These
> types of threads are exactly when they are needed.
>
> Trolls are inevitable, but to 'feed' them is, IMHO not wise.
>
> Lets see less of that and more excellence of replies, which this forum
> really has a great deal of to offer.
>
>
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[P. Di Stolfo]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Hello,
do you block messages because of the traffic? I let them all go in, but I
just ignore the messages with a subject that doesn't sound like needing
help.

Greetings,
P. Di Stolfo

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"Bert Kinney" <bert@NSmvps.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Good point Richard.
>
> I also block Subject containing the word SPAM, for those who like to
> rename the Subject and add SPAM to it.
>
> Regards,
> Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://bertk.mvps.org
> Member: http://dts-l.org
>
> Richard G. Harper wrote:
>> I not only block trolls but I block those who perpetuate discussions with
>> them. It does help with the message traffic here on a daily basis. ;-)

 

[Tom Porterfield]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

TeMerc wrote:
> David B.;399685 Wrote:
>> Uhm, there are no mods".
> Ok, then maybe the super mods:
> http://www.vistax64.com/members/brink.html
> Every forum has 'mods' or moderators to curb this type of behavior.

This isn't a forum, it's a newsgroup and there are no mods, moderators,
super mods, or the like. SPAM is removed but not other posts.
--
Tom Porterfield

 

[TeMerc]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?


babaloo;399711 Wrote:
> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation
> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the
> problems many users have with Vista.
Can you please provide specific threads where this is evident? I'm not
saying MVPs are infallible, but what you say I have not experienced.

Based on what you say, I'd expect an entire Google search results with
dozens of pages.

And btw, I am also an MVP but have no qualms about posting inaccuracies
when I happen upon them, be they other MVPS or not.

My experience, and this goes back long before I ever became an MVP was
most times than not, the info provided was spot on.

There seems to be alot of anger toward MVPs in this forum, the likes of
which I've never encountered before.


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[carl feredeck]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

You cannot imagine how bad it comes across when these MVP's misinform or
even "leave people in the dark" about the danger vista presents.

there are 3 possibilities

a) They have been brainwashed by Microsoft and lack every bit of
imagination, so they accept what they are given without even attempting to
think for themselves.
Also in order for this to be true they must lack the expertise and
understanding that gives a certain "feeling" about what is good or not.
(this is the most likely one).

b) They know how bad vista is but they do not express the negative aspects
publicly because they are afraid Microsoft will get mad with them and they
will withdraw the MVP title.

c) They are not really MVPs at all but they are trolls here just to throw
lies and create mischief amoung people who want to say the truth.


Notice I do not include an option for an MVP to be right that vista is a
good OS.



"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not
> different from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input
> in the communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or
> misinforming as many times as everybody else.
> Greetings,
> P. Di Stolfo
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>
> "babaloo" <fac187@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:0jtqi.26$ox5.5@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation
>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the
>> problems many users have with Vista.
>>

 

[carl feredeck]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

You cannot imagine how bad it comes across when these MVP's misinform or
even "leave people in the dark" about the danger vista presents.

there are 3 possibilities ( I am talking about the MVPs in this newsgroup
only)

a) They have been brainwashed by Microsoft and lack every bit of
imagination, so they accept what they are given without even attempting to
think for themselves.
Also in order for this to be true they must lack the expertise and
understanding that gives a certain "feeling" about what is good or not in an
OS.
(this is the most likely one).

b) They know how bad vista is but they do not express the negative aspects
publicly because they are afraid Microsoft will get mad with them and they
will withdraw the MVP title.

c) They are not really MVPs at all but they are trolls here just to throw
lies and create mischief amoung people who want to say the truth.


Notice I do not include an option for an MVP to be right that vista is a
good OS.



"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known
> trolls in this newsgroup?
>
> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't
> they?
>
>
>
> --
> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

 

[Synapse Syndrome]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"TeMerc" <TeMerc.2uefg2@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> David B.;399685 Wrote:
>> Uhm, there are no mods".
> Ok, then maybe the super mods:
> http://www.vistax64.com/members/brink.html
> Every forum has 'mods' or moderators to curb this type of behavior.


You are using some forum that is connected to this newsgroup. Most people
here are accessing this NG through a newsreader.

ss.

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:25:03 +0300, "carl feredeck"
<carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>I second that... the regular MVPs here are very low quality..
>
>perhaps we must import some new ones... hehe

Cool! That would be a good idea. ;-)

 

[Tom Willett]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

There are no moderators in microsoft newsgroups.

"TeMerc" <TeMerc.2uefg2@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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|
| David B.;399685 Wrote:
| > Uhm, there are no mods".
| Ok, then maybe the super mods:
| http://www.vistax64.com/members/brink.html
| Every forum has 'mods' or moderators to curb this type of behavior.
|
|
| --
| TeMerc
|
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[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:14:20 -0700, "Gary" <Gary@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>Thank you for your intelligent helpful message.
>What a jerk.

Oh I see, you get to call anybody any name you like, but you yourself
aren't a jerk. Still smarting from the spanking I gave you this
morning on color space and how NTSC color space doesn't show black as
0 or white as 255? Seems like you hold a grudge. <snicker>

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:32:51 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>
wrote:

>I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it does feed
>trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they know it all, but
>that is where I disagree with just leaving them alone because they mislead
>and distract those that are here for real information.

Point to a single post I've made that wasn't 100% on the money
technically.

Either put up or shut up.

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:54 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>
wrote:

>This is a MS, NG and has not mods.

This is simply a newsgroup period. Accordingly nobody owns it or runs
it. Any more dumb questions?

 

[Bert Kinney]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Yes.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

P. Di Stolfo wrote:
> Hello,
> do you block messages because of the traffic? I let them all go in, but
> I just ignore the messages with a subject that doesn't sound like
> needing help.
>
> Greetings,
> P. Di Stolfo

 

[carl feredeck]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Also there is nothing that says that people in here MUST say they like vista
or else they must labeled trolls.

This is vista.general

Not vista.mustbeworshiped

And that is what drives me crazy...

say something bad about vista, you are automatically a troll!

Misguide people that vista is good and blame the users saying its always
their fault or a driver or 3rd party app, but NEEEVVVVER VISTA fault then
you are not a troll!

WHAT IS THIS?????

I say that a troll is one who misleads, misinforms, distorts etc.

..

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:54 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>
> wrote:
>
>>This is a MS, NG and has not mods.
>
> This is simply a newsgroup period. Accordingly nobody owns it or runs
> it. Any more dumb questions?
>

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:29:39 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"
<paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not different
>from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input in the
>communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or misinforming as
>many times as everybody else.
>Greetings,
>P. Di Stolfo

The point is it isn't generally, JUST the majority of MVPs that hang
out in the general group. You know why? They're too dumb to handle any
questions in more specific news groups where some ACTUAL technical
knowledge or lack of same would be more obvious, so they hang out here
mostly to pick on newbies.

Damn, the truth sets you free every time.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[carl feredeck]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

this is vista.general

not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll

there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like vista
or else they are labled trolls.



"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
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> Why? Because it seems most of the MVPs are just as much trolls as the
> actual trolls....just on the other side of the table.
>
>
> XS11E wrote:
>> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known
>> trolls in this newsgroup?
>>
>> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't
>> they?
>
>

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:16:07 -0500, TeMerc
<TeMerc.2uefg2@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>
>David B.;399685 Wrote:
>> Uhm, there are no mods".
>Ok, then maybe the super mods:
>http://www.vistax64.com/members/brink.html
>Every forum has 'mods' or moderators to curb this type of behavior.

Your ignorance is showing. One more time. This isn't a forum. There
are no moderators. It's a newsgroup. A PUBLIC newsgroup. Anyone is
free to post here. People you many not like, even idiots like Frankie
and pompous jerks like Jupiter.

 

[XS11E]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote:

> I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it
> does feed trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they
> know it all, but that is where I disagree with just leaving them
> alone because they mislead and distract those that are here for
> real information.

Ian, you've seen how replying to Alias et al just triggers a never
ending thread of no use to anyone.

Maybe the best way to reply is to hit reply, add TROLL to the subject
and delete the content?




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[carl feredeck]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

I think I should become a self proclaimed MVP and show the MVPs how they
should act, and offer assistance!



"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:29:39 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"
> <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not
>>different
>>from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input in the
>>communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or misinforming
>>as
>>many times as everybody else.
>>Greetings,
>>P. Di Stolfo
>
> The point is it isn't generally, JUST the majority of MVPs that hang
> out in the general group. You know why? They're too dumb to handle any
> questions in more specific news groups where some ACTUAL technical
> knowledge or lack of same would be more obvious, so they hang out here
> mostly to pick on newbies.
>
> Damn, the truth sets you free every time.
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>