Windows Vista Trolls and MVPs?

[XS11E]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:

> I yearn for a newsreader that would let me killfile names found in
> the attribution line.

You need a reader with scoring, I think Dialog, Pan, and SLRN have
scoring, I know Xnews does.


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[TeMerc]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?


Well, this has sure been an enlightening topic, but I'll forego any more
replies as it seems every thing is met with all sorts of hostility and
sub par hospitality.

I'll just try and read in between the 'BS' to find answers and refrain
from bothering to post any more.

Pity, it seemed like a nice place. Have a good day all.


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[Frank]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

carl feredeck wrote:

> you actually wrote more than one insulting sentance?
>
> I am amazed with your progress....
>
>
> Even if the majority does believe that vista is good (which is false by the
> way) that does not mean I have to follow them.
> And in the first place, if you see all the posts in this newsgroup, it is
> you who attacks me whenever I say something about vista that you do not
> like.
>
> I never come stalking you... you do that. Not me. And who is that
> "spankymonkey"?
>
>
>>You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!
>>Frank
>
>
> Ok I get your message.. now will you stop stalking?
>

Sorry pal, just think of me as your personal supervisor or even your
personal troll blaster if you please...and oh, btw, just so you don't
get confused, you are the troll...hahaha!
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:49:11 -0500, TeMerc
<TeMerc.2uejmm@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>
>My apologies for not knowing that users could post from a newsgroup to
>this forum. I was unaware of this.

You have it backwards. Some people access this NEWSGROUP from a forum.
That really is an important difference. Newsgroups are like the old
wild West. Anybody can say anything. Period. That's why I piss all
over any Bozo that pretends he's in charge or any of the other dumb
stunts a certain wannabe MVP who's name starts with P and also is the
name of a planet does constantly. Now watch that stuck-up phony say
I'm stalking him. No, it is more accurate to say I'm belittling him
because of how he acts and he don't like it. ;-)

>And why this generates a comment on my ignorance is beyond me. It shows
>a level of hostility I rarely have ever come across if ever at all.

Newsgroups by nature at times can be hostile especially when somebody
leaves the door open and somebody waltzes in and starts acting like he
owns the joint. We have lots of those type of characters here. ;-)
>
>And as far as me showing where you, Adam were not 100% correct, I'm not
>concerned with what you claim to be your perfection, but rather evidence
>of your claim that the MVPS are wrong so often of the time.
>
>I think it is up to you to 'put up or shut up'. -You- made the claim,
>now please back it up with facts.

The proof is over at Google. There you'll find the usual suspects
making the same lame comments, some of the more popular summarized
below:

1. Nobody forced you to upgrade. If you don't like Vista, go back
to XP.

2. That's a driver issue.

3. You should have done a clean install.

4. The always popular fanboy theme song; it isn't Microsoft's fault.

5. You didn't do research first, don't you know you're suppose to do
that.

6. All software has bugs.

7. It will be addressed in SP1

And so on.

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:16:14 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:

>"Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it
>> does feed trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they
>> know it all, but that is where I disagree with just leaving them
>> alone because they mislead and distract those that are here for
>> real information.
>
>Ian, you've seen how replying to Alias et al just triggers a never
>ending thread of no use to anyone.
>
>Maybe the best way to reply is to hit reply, add TROLL to the subject
>and delete the content?


Or the adult way. Simply ignore posters you don't like. Can you be
adult enough to do that? Apparently not.

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:33:46 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>carl feredeck wrote:
>
>> you actually wrote more than one insulting sentance?
>>
>> I am amazed with your progress....
>>
>>
>> Even if the majority does believe that vista is good (which is false by the
>> way) that does not mean I have to follow them.
>> And in the first place, if you see all the posts in this newsgroup, it is
>> you who attacks me whenever I say something about vista that you do not
>> like.
>>
>> I never come stalking you... you do that. Not me. And who is that
>> "spankymonkey"?
>>
>>
>>>You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!
>>>Frank
>>
>>
>> Ok I get your message.. now will you stop stalking?
>>
>
>Sorry pal, just think of me as your personal supervisor or even your
>personal troll blaster if you please...and oh, btw, just so you don't
>get confused, you are the troll...hahaha!
>Frank

You always thought of in one way Frank. As the freaking idiot you are.

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

I am NOT amazed that you troll here. You write insulting sentences all the
time. By the way sentence is spelled with an "e" not an "a", but maybe you
missed the third grade.

With 60+ millions copies of Vista sold, the majority things Vista is good.
The small sampling of problems here are only a fraction of those 60 million
users, but at your education level, you probably have trouble with that
fact.

You are an idiot pure and simple and your only goal is to make trouble.


"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46aa7aaa@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> you actually wrote more than one insulting sentance?
>
> I am amazed with your progress....
>
>
> Even if the majority does believe that vista is good (which is false by
> the way) that does not mean I have to follow them.
> And in the first place, if you see all the posts in this newsgroup, it is
> you who attacks me whenever I say something about vista that you do not
> like.
>
> I never come stalking you... you do that. Not me. And who is that
> "spankymonkey"?
>
>> You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!
>> Frank
>
> Ok I get your message.. now will you stop stalking?
>
>
>
> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
> news:uSTnpDK0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> carl feredeck wrote:
>>
>>> this is vista.general
>>>
>>> not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll
>>>
>>> there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like
>>> vista or else they are labled trolls.
>>>
>> All we've ever seen you post is how bad Vista is and what a piece of
>> "crap" it is. You certainly have the right to your personal opinion...as
>> we all do, but how many times do you think you can post that same
>> statement before someone challenges you on it, huh?
>> And what exactly do you think that continually posting your same personal
>> same opinion will accomplish other than starting an argument?
>> Obviously you're greatly in the minority of Vista haters as most users
>> actually like Vista.
>> But you even have a problem with others liking Vista don't you? You think
>> they must agree with you or else they're stupid or ignorant or crazy or
>> don't know what they're talking about.
>> So my "crap" friend, that really and truly makes you the perfect
>> definition of a troll.
>> You're ridiculous and I for one am here to let you know it!
>> Frank
>
>
>

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

Wrong Group Carl

Wrong Group Carl

Carl,

you belong in primate.retard.general. Stop posting here


"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46aa6dc1$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> this is vista.general
>
> not vista.isperfectandifyouinsultityouareatroll
>
> there is nothing about this newsgroup that says that people must like
> vista or else they are labled trolls.
>
>
>
> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:uVQ%23VmJ0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Why? Because it seems most of the MVPs are just as much trolls as the
>> actual trolls....just on the other side of the table.
>>
>>
>> XS11E wrote:
>>> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known
>>> trolls in this newsgroup?
>>>
>>> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't
>>> they?
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

And you are a good example of a third grade failure

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46aa7801$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> What don't you just disappear and never come back, ok?
>> Frank
>
> you are another good example of a troll
>
>
>
>
>

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:14:00 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
> > I yearn for a newsreader that would let me killfile names found in
> > the attribution line.
>
> You need a reader with scoring, I think Dialog, Pan, and SLRN have
> scoring, I know Xnews does.


Thanks, I'll take a look at them.

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[Bruce Chambers]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

XS11E wrote:
> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known
> trolls in this newsgroup?
>
> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't
> they?
>
>
>


There certainly could be fewer such replies to trolls, yes. Speaking
for myself, I try to avoid replying to trolls, but there are occasions
when I feel that it's necessary to point out the deliberate false
statements some of them make, to prevent the inexperienced reader from
mistaking their lies as facts or sound advice. I usually (but not
always; I'm not perfect) don't argue with their opinions (each is
entitled to his own) or beliefs (religiously held, it seems), but I will
dispute any deliberate distortions of the true facts.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

P. Di Stolfo wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm not an MVP, but sometimes I can't help writing my opinion because I
> don't like them to have their wrong facts everywhere without somebody
> answering the (more) true facts. Of course they like to provoke, but
> there are many persons reading their sometimes very silly remarks.
>
> Greetings,
> P. Di Stolfo
>


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[Bruce Chambers]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

P. Di Stolfo wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm not an MVP, but sometimes I can't help writing my opinion because I
> don't like them to have their wrong facts everywhere without somebody
> answering the (more) true facts.


Then it's not your "opinion." You're correcting a mistake or, in the
case of some trolls, a deliberate lie.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:32:51 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree and disagree in someway with everything said here, Yes it does feed
>> trolls vanity, if like Alias and Adam A they think they know it all, but
>> that is where I disagree with just leaving them alone because they mislead
>> and distract those that are here for real information.
>
> Point to a single post I've made that wasn't 100% on the money
> technically.
>
> Either put up or shut up.
>


Out of more than 2260 posts of yours to this newsgroup between January
and a few days ago (searched via Google Groups), I can find only 4 posts
that even remotely addressed technical issues, and even then you limited
yourself to saying something obvious like "Install the correct driver."
Hardly a technical font of knowledge. The only reason you post is to
troll.


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[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

>Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially >submitted it
>for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from >the name that
>this particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.
>If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take >it
>from there.

Agreed and true. Good or bad, Microsoft is generous enough to have little
censorship and we need to thank it for that.

There are a few self-appointed but not well-trained moderators with double
standards, but we can ignore them.



<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:59:11 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:33:54 +0100, "Ian Betts" <igb123@talktalk.net>
>wrote:
>
>>This is a MS, NG and has not mods.
>
>This is simply a newsgroup period. Accordingly nobody owns it or runs
>it. Any more dumb questions?

Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially submitted it
for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from the name that this
particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.
If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take it
from there.
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[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they are
MVP's after a while.

Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful about my
behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also to the
organization for which I represent.



"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> I think this is unfair if you say that so generally. MVPs are not
> different from anybody other here, except from the fact that their input
> in the communities is officially valuable. So they can be wrong or
> misinforming as many times as everybody else.
> Greetings,
> P. Di Stolfo
> --
> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "babaloo" <fac187@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:0jtqi.26$ox5.5@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation
>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the
>> problems many users have with Vista.
>>

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no
> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and
> gloomy as you paint it.

I concur that.

"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
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> Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:41:09 -0500, TeMerc
>> <TeMerc.2ueg53@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:
>>
>>> babaloo;399711 Wrote:
>>>> From my viewpoint the MVPs are largely trolls spreading misinformation
>>>> about the usability of Vista and peddling answers that do not solve the
>>>> problems many users have with Vista.
>>
>>> Can you please provide specific threads where this is evident? I'm not
>>> saying MVPs are infallible, but what you say I have not experienced.
>>
>> Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no
>> tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking
>> about. They are simply hand picked one of two ways. Either those
>> already in the MVP program nominate somebody new or somebody from
>> Microsoft picks them. Notice one thing common to all MVPs here?
>>
>> Well I guess not or I wouldn't have to be writing this. There will
>> never, ever under any circumstances be even a little critical of
>> Microsoft. Why do you suppose that is? Because they're Microsoft cheer
>> leaders, I prefer the term apologists. You can confirm that's what
>> they are just reading the slop they post.
>
> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no
> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and
> gloomy as you paint it.
>>
>> Once in awhile some MVP that actually knows something spends a little
>> time here. That's the exception, not the rule. Get a clue. This is the
>> general group. The mirror leagues for MVPs. Not even tripe A ball.
>> More like little league, actually more like bad news bears. Some
>> backwater little hell hole the smarter MVP's generally avoid like the
>> plague because the know the low talent big mouth gang hangs out here.
>> Get it now?
>>> There seems to be alot of anger toward MVPs in this forum, the likes of
>>> which I've never encountered before.
>>
>> Because the quality of the MVP that hangs out here is sub par. Noted
>> there a few good guys, but they get drown out but the bad ones. Here
>> the rotten apple story plays out in reverse. There are one or two good
>> MVPs, maybe 3 or 4and all the rest are rotten apples; just prima donna
>> types, control freaks, butt kissers.
>
>
> --
> norm

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

> My apologies for [...]

One reason is that I rarely see any of them saying anything starting with
the above.

I was taught that professionals are not determined by skill sets but by
attitudes, mindsets, and personalities.

My two cents.

"TeMerc" <TeMerc.2uejmm@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> My apologies for not knowing that users could post from a newsgroup to
> this forum. I was unaware of this.
>
> And why this generates a comment on my ignorance is beyond me. It shows
> a level of hostility I rarely have ever come across if ever at all.
>
> And as far as me showing where you, Adam were not 100% correct, I'm not
> concerned with what you claim to be your perfection, but rather evidence
> of your claim that the MVPS are wrong so often of the time.
>
> I think it is up to you to 'put up or shut up'. -You- made the claim,
> now please back it up with facts.
>
>
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[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:33:14 -0700, "xfile"
<cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>>Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially >submitted it
>>for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from >the name that
>>this particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.
>>If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take >it
>>from there.
>
>Agreed and true. Good or bad, Microsoft is generous enough to have little
>censorship and we need to thank it for that.

You can no more "own" a newsgroup then you can own the sky or the
moon. You know the real reason I hang out here? Well to be totally
honest it is fun to watch all the off the wall absurdity that's posted
day in and day out by people that THINK they know what they're talking
about but in reality don't have a clue.

A newsgroup is nothing more than a classification, similar to how
folders are arranged on your hard drive. When you post to a particular
newsgroup the news server it gets uploaded to "remembers" which group
you posted to and shares that information along with other stuff and
shares it with thousands of other networked news servers all over the
world.

While Microsoft may have created a bunch of newsgroups to promote
their crap, once created all groups are just part of the larger Usenet
network. Microsoft like others may provide a news server to store
posts that originate on their news servers but other people post to
other news servers. So the concept of newsgroup ownership is LAUGHABLE
once you understand how things actually work.

That's why it is absurd to suggest Microsoft could or would even want
to monitor or filter what gets posted. Again, maybe they edit what
arrives or originates on THEIR news servers but since there are
thousands of news servers, many carrying most or all of the Microsoft
groups along with some of the well in excess of a hundred thousand
other news groups what you said is laughable.

>There are a few self-appointed but not well-trained moderators with double
>standards, but we can ignore them.

There are NO moderators period. Only a few idiots that try to be. Geez
man, learn something will yea?

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"
<cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:

>> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no
>> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and
>> gloomy as you paint it.
>
>I concur that.

Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.