Bootup - Shutdown logger

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

Windows XP doesn't run IE6SP1. It runs IE6SP2.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> Lee wrote:
> | On May 2, 1:57 am, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
> |> Lee wrote:
> |>
> |> | Thanks Gary, I can report not a single problem with version 8825
> |> | Scripting Host on my machine.
> |> |
> |> | MEB - MDGx.com already has an unofficial 5.6 and 5.7 9x scripting
> |> | host packages, I was holding out for the official version for the
> |> | very reasons you mention.
> |> |
> |> | PCR - Wextract is the engine of the update executable package
> |> | itself, it's version numbers vary a lot so it's not much use by
> |> | itself. But the digital signature of it both shows you the
> |> | Signatory of the package and that it has not been tampered with
> |> | since by the word and standing of the Signatory which in this case
> |> | is MS - which is good enough for me to trust it.
> |>
> |> OK. There certainly are a lot version numbers associated with the
> |> various Scr56en.exe. But why not just R-Clk it, Properties, Version
> |> tab? Mine says v.5.50.4134.600 there. And inside are files of
> |> v...8825. Won't that always be true?
> |>
> |
> | While it will always be true just as you say, the version number
> | 5.50.4134.600 is forever linked to IE 5.50 as per
> | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=164539.
>
> Yikes! According to that list...
>
> 6.00.2800.1106 Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (Windows XP SP1)
>
> ...my own version is XP-irradiated! But I am Win98SE & never did defect
> to XP!!!
>
> | So what happens when someone overthinks this part and wrongly assumes
> | the package can't/shouldn't be applied to IE 6.00 SP1? I'd rather
> | avoid the issue of the version of Wextract file and just tell them how
> | to view the insides to get the real version numbers.
>
> I wouldn't, myself, suspect the version of Scr56en.exe (or WExtract, as
> you call it) necessarily must match the version of IE. But I guess I see
> what you are saying, especially if folk can create their own Scr56en.exe
> using IExpress.exe.
>
> | BTW the default
> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor, never
> | to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt as the
> | default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in the WinZip
> | window to read them.
>
> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad, instead
> of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get mine to
> run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip puts up the scary
> caution...
>
> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
> SCR56EN.INF
> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
> e-mail message.
> Do you still want to open this file?
>
> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's default.
> You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same default. If you
> swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must swear thrice that
> WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!
>
> | As part of every IE version release, MS would also release an
> | Administrator's Kit to go with it, it was called IEAK and inside the
> | package there was the iexpress.exe file which would make these update
> | packages just so an admininistrator could roll his own installation
> | packages for delivery to the Network he was in charge of. Since
> | Win2000, the iexpress files have been a default install option such
> | that the general public is slowly being exposed to the Wextract engine
> | but some of us 98 users missed that boat entirely. The above simply a
> | means to explain away the many different version numbers of the MS
> | updates themselves.
>
> I have no IExpress.exe that I can find, not even in my Win98SE .cabs.
>
> |> | On May 1, 7:48 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> |> I have discovered that I also have version 8825 of SCR56EN. I'll
> |> |> put that on
> |> |> my site instead of v. 6626. Have you guys decided if there are any
> |> |> problems
> |> |> with 8825?
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> |> |>
> |>
> |> ...snip
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcr...@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| Windows XP doesn't run IE6SP1. It runs IE6SP2.

Thanks, Gary-- that is a relief! I guess, in putting out that article
Lee posted, MS just got sloppy to hint it was (at least at one time)
otherwise!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Lee wrote:
|> | On May 2, 1:57 am, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
|> |> Lee wrote:
|> |>
|> |> | Thanks Gary, I can report not a single problem with version 8825
|> |> | Scripting Host on my machine.
|> |> |
|> |> | MEB - MDGx.com already has an unofficial 5.6 and 5.7 9x
|> |> | scripting host packages, I was holding out for the official
|> |> | version for the very reasons you mention.
|> |> |
|> |> | PCR - Wextract is the engine of the update executable package
|> |> | itself, it's version numbers vary a lot so it's not much use by
|> |> | itself. But the digital signature of it both shows you the
|> |> | Signatory of the package and that it has not been tampered with
|> |> | since by the word and standing of the Signatory which in this
|> |> | case is MS - which is good enough for me to trust it.
|> |>
|> |> OK. There certainly are a lot version numbers associated with the
|> |> various Scr56en.exe. But why not just R-Clk it, Properties,
|> |> Version tab? Mine says v.5.50.4134.600 there. And inside are
|> |> files of v...8825. Won't that always be true?
|> |>
|> |
|> | While it will always be true just as you say, the version number
|> | 5.50.4134.600 is forever linked to IE 5.50 as per
|> | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=164539.
|>
|> Yikes! According to that list...
|>
|> 6.00.2800.1106 Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (Windows XP SP1)
|>
|> ...my own version is XP-irradiated! But I am Win98SE & never did
|> defect to XP!!!
|>
|> | So what happens when someone overthinks this part and wrongly
|> | assumes the package can't/shouldn't be applied to IE 6.00 SP1?
|> | I'd rather avoid the issue of the version of Wextract file and
|> | just tell them how to view the insides to get the real version
|> | numbers.
|>
|> I wouldn't, myself, suspect the version of Scr56en.exe (or WExtract,
|> as you call it) necessarily must match the version of IE. But I
|> guess I see what you are saying, especially if folk can create their
|> own Scr56en.exe using IExpress.exe.
|>
|> | BTW the default
|> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor,
|> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt
|> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in
|> | the WinZip window to read them.
|>
|> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
|> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get
|> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
|> the scary caution...
|>
|> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
|> SCR56EN.INF
|> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
|> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
|> e-mail message.
|> Do you still want to open this file?
|>
|> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
|> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
|> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must
|> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!
|>
|> | As part of every IE version release, MS would also release an
|> | Administrator's Kit to go with it, it was called IEAK and inside
|> | the package there was the iexpress.exe file which would make these
|> | update packages just so an admininistrator could roll his own
|> | installation packages for delivery to the Network he was in charge
|> | of. Since Win2000, the iexpress files have been a default install
|> | option such that the general public is slowly being exposed to the
|> | Wextract engine but some of us 98 users missed that boat entirely.
|> | The above simply a means to explain away the many different
|> | version numbers of the MS updates themselves.
|>
|> I have no IExpress.exe that I can find, not even in my Win98SE .cabs.
|>
|> |> | On May 1, 7:48 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> |> I have discovered that I also have version 8825 of SCR56EN.
|> |> |> I'll put that on
|> |> |> my site instead of v. 6626. Have you guys decided if there are
|> |> |> any problems
|> |> |> with 8825?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
|> |> |>
|> |>
|> |> ...snip
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcr...@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

I overstepped there. I should limit myself to say that any fully updated
Windows XP SP2 has IE6 SP2. Sloppy, old, decrepit XP systems might actually
be running IE6 SP1, I don't know.
--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ewfAZLxrIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | Windows XP doesn't run IE6SP1. It runs IE6SP2.
>
> Thanks, Gary-- that is a relief! I guess, in putting out that article
> Lee posted, MS just got sloppy to hint it was (at least at one time)
> otherwise!
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |> Lee wrote:
> |> | On May 2, 1:57 am, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
> |> |> Lee wrote:
> |> |>
> |> |> | Thanks Gary, I can report not a single problem with version 8825
> |> |> | Scripting Host on my machine.
> |> |> |
> |> |> | MEB - MDGx.com already has an unofficial 5.6 and 5.7 9x
> |> |> | scripting host packages, I was holding out for the official
> |> |> | version for the very reasons you mention.
> |> |> |
> |> |> | PCR - Wextract is the engine of the update executable package
> |> |> | itself, it's version numbers vary a lot so it's not much use by
> |> |> | itself. But the digital signature of it both shows you the
> |> |> | Signatory of the package and that it has not been tampered with
> |> |> | since by the word and standing of the Signatory which in this
> |> |> | case is MS - which is good enough for me to trust it.
> |> |>
> |> |> OK. There certainly are a lot version numbers associated with the
> |> |> various Scr56en.exe. But why not just R-Clk it, Properties,
> |> |> Version tab? Mine says v.5.50.4134.600 there. And inside are
> |> |> files of v...8825. Won't that always be true?
> |> |>
> |> |
> |> | While it will always be true just as you say, the version number
> |> | 5.50.4134.600 is forever linked to IE 5.50 as per
> |> | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=164539.
> |>
> |> Yikes! According to that list...
> |>
> |> 6.00.2800.1106 Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (Windows XP SP1)
> |>
> |> ...my own version is XP-irradiated! But I am Win98SE & never did
> |> defect to XP!!!
> |>
> |> | So what happens when someone overthinks this part and wrongly
> |> | assumes the package can't/shouldn't be applied to IE 6.00 SP1?
> |> | I'd rather avoid the issue of the version of Wextract file and
> |> | just tell them how to view the insides to get the real version
> |> | numbers.
> |>
> |> I wouldn't, myself, suspect the version of Scr56en.exe (or WExtract,
> |> as you call it) necessarily must match the version of IE. But I
> |> guess I see what you are saying, especially if folk can create their
> |> own Scr56en.exe using IExpress.exe.
> |>
> |> | BTW the default
> |> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor,
> |> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt
> |> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in
> |> | the WinZip window to read them.
> |>
> |> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
> |> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get
> |> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
> |> the scary caution...
> |>
> |> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
> |> SCR56EN.INF
> |> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
> |> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
> |> e-mail message.
> |> Do you still want to open this file?
> |>
> |> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
> |> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
> |> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must
> |> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!
> |>
> |> | As part of every IE version release, MS would also release an
> |> | Administrator's Kit to go with it, it was called IEAK and inside
> |> | the package there was the iexpress.exe file which would make these
> |> | update packages just so an admininistrator could roll his own
> |> | installation packages for delivery to the Network he was in charge
> |> | of. Since Win2000, the iexpress files have been a default install
> |> | option such that the general public is slowly being exposed to the
> |> | Wextract engine but some of us 98 users missed that boat entirely.
> |> | The above simply a means to explain away the many different
> |> | version numbers of the MS updates themselves.
> |>
> |> I have no IExpress.exe that I can find, not even in my Win98SE .cabs.
> |>
> |> |> | On May 1, 7:48 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> |> |> I have discovered that I also have version 8825 of SCR56EN.
> |> |> |> I'll put that on
> |> |> |> my site instead of v. 6626. Have you guys decided if there are
> |> |> |> any problems
> |> |> |> with 8825?
> |> |> |>
> |> |> |> --
> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> |> |> |>
> |> |>
> |> |> ...snip
> |> |> --
> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> |> PCR
> |> |> pcr...@netzero.net
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[Lee]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

On May 5, 5:40 pm, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
> Lee wrote:
>
> | On May 2, 1:57 am, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:|> Lee wrote:
>
> |>
> |> | Thanks Gary, I can report not a single problem with version 8825
> |> | Scripting Host on my machine.
> |> |
> |> | MEB - MDGx.com already has an unofficial 5.6 and 5.7 9x scripting
> |> | host packages, I was holding out for the official version for the
> |> | very reasons you mention.
> |> |
> |> | PCR - Wextract is the engine of the update executable package
> |> | itself, it's version numbers vary a lot so it's not much use by
> |> | itself. But the digital signature of it both shows you the
> |> | Signatory of the package and that it has not been tampered with
> |> | since by the word and standing of the Signatory which in this case
> |> | is MS - which is good enough for me to trust it.
> |>
> |> OK. There certainly are a lot version numbers associated with the
> |> various Scr56en.exe. But why not just R-Clk it, Properties, Version
> |> tab? Mine says v.5.50.4134.600 there. And inside are files of
> |> v...8825. Won't that always be true?
> |>
> |
> | While it will always be true just as you say, the version number
> | 5.50.4134.600 is forever linked to IE 5.50 as per
> |http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=164539.
>
> Yikes! According to that list...
>
> 6.00.2800.1106   Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (Windows XP SP1)
>
> ...my own version is XP-irradiated! But I am Win98SE & never did defect
> to XP!!!
>
> | So what happens when someone overthinks this part and wrongly assumes
> | the package can't/shouldn't be applied to IE 6.00 SP1?  I'd rather
> | avoid the issue of the version of Wextract file and just tell them how
> | to view the insides to get the real version numbers.
>
> I wouldn't, myself, suspect the version of Scr56en.exe (or WExtract, as
> you call it) necessarily must match the version of IE. But I guess I see
> what you are saying, especially if folk can create their own Scr56en.exe
> using IExpress.exe.
>
> |  BTW the default
> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor, never
> | to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt as the
> | default action .  So it's OK to double click inf files in the WinZip
> | window to read them.
>
> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad, instead
> of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get mine to
> run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip puts up the scary
> caution...
>
> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
> SCR56EN.INF
> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
> e-mail message.
> Do you still want to open this file?
>
> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's default.
> You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same default. If you
> swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must swear thrice that
> WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!

But I can't since I run version 8 of WinZip which has no such
warning. I would be uncertain too with that dialog coming at me, but
find it hard to believe that WinZip would alter an inf file's default
action which is still set up with this registry entry:
[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\inffile\shell\open\command]
@="C:\\WINDOWS\\NOTEPAD.EXE %1"

It clearly says Notepad.

You are excused from the exercise, PCR.

>
> | As part of every IE version release, MS would also release an
> | Administrator's Kit to go with it, it was called IEAK and inside the
> | package there was the iexpress.exe file which would make these update
> | packages just so an admininistrator could roll his own installation
> | packages for delivery to the Network he was in charge of.  Since
> | Win2000, the iexpress files have been a default install option such
> | that the general public is slowly being exposed to the Wextract engine
> | but some of us 98 users missed that boat entirely.  The above simply a
> | means to explain away the many different version numbers of the MS
> | updates themselves.
>
> I have no IExpress.exe that I can find, not even in my Win98SE .cabs.
>

Home page for the IEAK package used to be:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ieak/

which now goes to msdn but still has ieak7 info and a download link.
or get YOUR version here:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/ie6sp1/finrel/6_sp1/W98NT42KMeXP/EN-US/ieak6.exe

There is also this earlier version of iexpress package which you could
install and then update with the newer files available from above.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237803

Or read about and install here.
http://www.mdgx.com/INF_web/
http://www.mdgx.com/INF_web/ieinstal.htm


> |> | On May 1, 7:48 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> |> I have discovered that I also have version 8825 of SCR56EN. I'll
> |> |> put that on
> |> |> my site instead of v. 6626. Have you guys decided if there are any
> |> |> problems
> |> |> with 8825?
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> |> |>
> |>
> |> ...snip
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcr...@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcr...@netzero.net

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

WinZip (I'm testing versions 8 and 11) does NOT change file associations.
Double-clicking a file inside a WinZip file does the same thing as
double-clicking it outside the WinZip file. Nor does WinZip put up that
warning you quote, I am 99.9999% sure that that warning comes from
elsewhere, though I can't recall where. I've seen it often, that exact same
warning, and not in conjunction with WinZip. Try an INF file that isn't in a
WinZip file. Do you get the warning?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

<SNIP>
>
> | BTW the default
> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor, never
> | to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt as the
> | default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in the WinZip
> | window to read them.
>
> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad, instead
> of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get mine to
> run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip puts up the scary
> caution...
>
> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
> SCR56EN.INF
> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
> e-mail message.
> Do you still want to open this file?
>
> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's default.
> You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same default. If you
> swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must swear thrice that
> WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!
>
> | As part of every IE version release, MS would also release an
> | Administrator's Kit to go with it, it was called IEAK and inside the
> | package there was the iexpress.exe file which would make these update
> | packages just so an admininistrator could roll his own installation
> | packages for delivery to the Network he was in charge of. Since
> | Win2000, the iexpress files have been a default install option such
> | that the general public is slowly being exposed to the Wextract engine
> | but some of us 98 users missed that boat entirely. The above simply a
> | means to explain away the many different version numbers of the MS
> | updates themselves.
>
> I have no IExpress.exe that I can find, not even in my Win98SE .cabs.
>
> |> | On May 1, 7:48 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> |> I have discovered that I also have version 8825 of SCR56EN. I'll
> |> |> put that on
> |> |> my site instead of v. 6626. Have you guys decided if there are any
> |> |> problems
> |> |> with 8825?
> |> |>
> |> |> --
> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
> |> |>
> |>
> |> ...snip
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcr...@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| I overstepped there. I should limit myself to say that any fully
| updated Windows XP SP2 has IE6 SP2. Sloppy, old, decrepit XP systems
| might actually be running IE6 SP1, I don't know.

OK, thanks for the correction, Gary. Lucky I didn't remove my tinfoil
hat too soon! I always had my suspicions MS upgraded my IE to a
low-level XP-irradiated version-- it says so in certain Properties
screens!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ewfAZLxrIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | Windows XP doesn't run IE6SP1. It runs IE6SP2.
|>
|> Thanks, Gary-- that is a relief! I guess, in putting out that article
|> Lee posted, MS just got sloppy to hint it was (at least at one time)
|> otherwise!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | www.grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> Lee wrote:
|> |> | On May 2, 1:57 am, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
|> |> |> Lee wrote:
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | Thanks Gary, I can report not a single problem with version
|> |> |> | 8825 Scripting Host on my machine.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | MEB - MDGx.com already has an unofficial 5.6 and 5.7 9x
|> |> |> | scripting host packages, I was holding out for the official
|> |> |> | version for the very reasons you mention.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | PCR - Wextract is the engine of the update executable package
|> |> |> | itself, it's version numbers vary a lot so it's not much use
|> |> |> | by itself. But the digital signature of it both shows you the
|> |> |> | Signatory of the package and that it has not been tampered
|> |> |> | with since by the word and standing of the Signatory which
|> |> |> | in this case is MS - which is good enough for me to trust it.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> OK. There certainly are a lot version numbers associated with
|> |> |> the various Scr56en.exe. But why not just R-Clk it, Properties,
|> |> |> Version tab? Mine says v.5.50.4134.600 there. And inside are
|> |> |> files of v...8825. Won't that always be true?
|> |> |>
|> |> |
|> |> | While it will always be true just as you say, the version number
|> |> | 5.50.4134.600 is forever linked to IE 5.50 as per
|> |> | http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=164539.
|> |>
|> |> Yikes! According to that list...
|> |>
|> |> 6.00.2800.1106 Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (Windows XP
|> |> SP1)
|> |>
|> |> ...my own version is XP-irradiated! But I am Win98SE & never did
|> |> defect to XP!!!
|> |>
|> |> | So what happens when someone overthinks this part and wrongly
|> |> | assumes the package can't/shouldn't be applied to IE 6.00 SP1?
|> |> | I'd rather avoid the issue of the version of Wextract file and
|> |> | just tell them how to view the insides to get the real version
|> |> | numbers.
|> |>
|> |> I wouldn't, myself, suspect the version of Scr56en.exe (or
|> |> WExtract, as you call it) necessarily must match the version of
|> |> IE. But I guess I see what you are saying, especially if folk can
|> |> create their own Scr56en.exe using IExpress.exe.
|> |>
|> |> | BTW the default
|> |> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor,
|> |> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with
|> |> | prompt as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf
|> |> | files in the WinZip window to read them.
|> |>
|> |> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
|> |> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To
|> |> get mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip
|> |> puts up the scary caution...
|> |>
|> |> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
|> |> SCR56EN.INF
|> |> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
|> |> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
|> |> e-mail message.
|> |> Do you still want to open this file?
|> |>
|> |> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
|> |> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
|> |> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must
|> |> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary
|> |> warning!
|> |>
|> |> | As part of every IE version release, MS would also release an
|> |> | Administrator's Kit to go with it, it was called IEAK and inside
|> |> | the package there was the iexpress.exe file which would make
|> |> | these update packages just so an admininistrator could roll his
|> |> | own installation packages for delivery to the Network he was in
|> |> | charge of. Since Win2000, the iexpress files have been a
|> |> | default install option such that the general public is slowly
|> |> | being exposed to the Wextract engine but some of us 98 users
|> |> | missed that boat entirely. The above simply a means to explain
|> |> | away the many different version numbers of the MS updates
|> |> | themselves.
|> |>
|> |> I have no IExpress.exe that I can find, not even in my Win98SE
|> |> .cabs.
|> |>
|> |> |> | On May 1, 7:48 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> |> |> I have discovered that I also have version 8825 of SCR56EN.
|> |> |> |> I'll put that on
|> |> |> |> my site instead of v. 6626. Have you guys decided if there
|> |> |> |> are any problems
|> |> |> |> with 8825?
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |> |> --
|> |> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
|> |> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> ...snip
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> |> PCR
|> |> |> pcr...@netzero.net
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| WinZip (I'm testing versions 8 and 11) does NOT change file
| associations. Double-clicking a file inside a WinZip file does the
| same thing as double-clicking it outside the WinZip file. Nor does
| WinZip put up that warning you quote, I am 99.9999% sure that that
| warning comes from elsewhere, though I can't recall where. I've seen
| it often, that exact same warning, and not in conjunction with
| WinZip. Try an INF file that isn't in a WinZip file. Do you get the
| warning?

Any .inf I click outside WinZip opens in Notepad-- no warning. If I
R-Clk, Install-- I get no warning either. It just does its work, (but I
tested with a do-nothing .inf).

I guess v.9.0 SR-1 shouldn't be an exception. But I definitely see that
warning in it. Did you open Scr56en.exe in WinZip, & click SCR56EN.INF
in its window? What happens when you click an .exe file in a WinZip
window? You should definitely get the warning for that! Does your
version of WinZip have the this in its Help screens...

........Quote a WinZip help screen.............
WinZip's Handling of Potentially Unsafe File Types

This version of WinZip has been enhanced to warn you about some of the
most common situations in which you could become infected by a virus
compressed inside a Zip file.

This enhancement involves several small changes to WinZip that we
believe will, in these specific situations, make it less likely for you
to be affected by a virus that has been placed inside a Zip file.

If you are using the WinZip Classic interface and you double-click a
file with a potentially unsafe file type, such as .EXE, WinZip will
display a dialog warning you about the potentially unsafe file type. You
can then decide whether you really want to open it.

Note that this warning is only displayed when you double-click a file
within a Zip file to open that file from within WinZip. You can still
extract files from a Zip file to a folder on your disk without a
warning, regardless of the file types involved.

If you are using the WinZip Wizard interface, the Wizard will display a
dialog to notify you when you begin to work with a Zip file that
contains any files on WinZip's list of potentially unsafe file types.
You can then decide whether you want to continue working with that Zip
file.

WinZip also displays warning text when you try to install software
contained within a Zip file. For example, when you use the Install
button in the WinZip Classic interface to install software from a Zip
file that contains a Setup program, WinZip will display a dialog
reminding you not to install untrusted software.

Some WinZip users, especially "power users" who frequently work with
some of the file types that WinZip considers potentially unsafe, will
prefer not to see these warnings repeatedly. Therefore, all of the new
warning dialogs have check boxes that you can use to stop them from
displaying again.
...........EOQ.................................

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|
| <SNIP>
|>
|> | BTW the default
|> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor,
|> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt
|> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in
|> | the WinZip window to read them.
|>
|> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
|> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get
|> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run".

I meant-- R-Clk, & select "Install".

|> HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
|> the scary caution...
|>
|> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
|> SCR56EN.INF
|> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
|> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
|> e-mail message.
|> Do you still want to open this file?
|>
|> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
|> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
|> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must
|> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!
|>

....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

Lee wrote:
| On May 5, 5:40 pm, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
|> Lee wrote:
|>
|> | On May 2, 1:57 am, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:|> Lee wrote:
|>
|> |>
|> |> | Thanks Gary, I can report not a single problem with version 8825
|> |> | Scripting Host on my machine.
|> |> |
|> |> | MEB - MDGx.com already has an unofficial 5.6 and 5.7 9x
|> |> | scripting host packages, I was holding out for the official
|> |> | version for the very reasons you mention.
|> |> |
|> |> | PCR - Wextract is the engine of the update executable package
|> |> | itself, it's version numbers vary a lot so it's not much use by
|> |> | itself. But the digital signature of it both shows you the
|> |> | Signatory of the package and that it has not been tampered with
|> |> | since by the word and standing of the Signatory which in this
|> |> | case is MS - which is good enough for me to trust it.
|> |>
|> |> OK. There certainly are a lot version numbers associated with the
|> |> various Scr56en.exe. But why not just R-Clk it, Properties,
|> |> Version tab? Mine says v.5.50.4134.600 there. And inside are
|> |> files of v...8825. Won't that always be true?
|> |>
|> |
|> | While it will always be true just as you say, the version number
|> | 5.50.4134.600 is forever linked to IE 5.50 as per
|> |http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=164539.
|>
|> Yikes! According to that list...
|>
|> 6.00.2800.1106 Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (Windows XP SP1)
|>
|> ...my own version is XP-irradiated! But I am Win98SE & never did
|> defect to XP!!!
|>
|> | So what happens when someone overthinks this part and wrongly
|> | assumes the package can't/shouldn't be applied to IE 6.00 SP1? I'd
|> | rather avoid the issue of the version of Wextract file and just
|> | tell them how to view the insides to get the real version numbers.
|>
|> I wouldn't, myself, suspect the version of Scr56en.exe (or WExtract,
|> as you call it) necessarily must match the version of IE. But I
|> guess I see what you are saying, especially if folk can create their
|> own Scr56en.exe using IExpress.exe.
|>
|> | BTW the default
|> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor,
|> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt
|> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in
|> | the WinZip window to read them.
|>
|> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
|> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get
|> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
|> the scary caution...
|>
|> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
|> SCR56EN.INF
|> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
|> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
|> e-mail message.
|> Do you still want to open this file?
|>
|> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
|> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
|> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must
|> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!
|
| But I can't since I run version 8 of WinZip which has no such
| warning. I would be uncertain too with that dialog coming at me, but
| find it hard to believe that WinZip would alter an inf file's default
| action which is still set up with this registry entry:
| [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\inffile\shell\open\command]
| @="C:\\WINDOWS\\NOTEPAD.EXE %1"
|
| It clearly says Notepad.

Mine says the same. Also, there is...

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\inffile\shell\install]
@="&Install"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\inffile\shell\install\command]
@="c:\\windows\\rundll.exe setupx.dll,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall
132 %1"

| You are excused from the exercise, PCR.

Yea. I just don't know whether WinZip will honor Windows's default, or
actually install the .inf. It isn't so hard to simply extract the .inf &
then click it, after all. So far, I've found nothing terribly specific
about .inf in WinZip's voluminous .docs-- nothing to distinguish it from
..exe, for instance.

|>
|> | As part of every IE version release, MS would also release an
|> | Administrator's Kit to go with it, it was called IEAK and inside
|> | the package there was the iexpress.exe file which would make these
|> | update packages just so an admininistrator could roll his own
|> | installation packages for delivery to the Network he was in charge
|> | of. Since Win2000, the iexpress files have been a default install
|> | option such that the general public is slowly being exposed to the
|> | Wextract engine but some of us 98 users missed that boat entirely.
|> | The above simply a means to explain away the many different
|> | version numbers of the MS updates themselves.
|>
|> I have no IExpress.exe that I can find, not even in my Win98SE .cabs.
|>
|
| Home page for the IEAK package used to be:
| http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ieak/
|
| which now goes to msdn but still has ieak7 info and a download link.
| or get YOUR version here:
|
http://download.microsoft.com/download/ie6sp1/finrel/6_sp1/W98NT42KMeXP/EN-US/ieak6.exe
|
| There is also this earlier version of iexpress package which you could
| install and then update with the newer files available from above.
| http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=237803
|
| Or read about and install here.
| http://www.mdgx.com/INF_web/
| http://www.mdgx.com/INF_web/ieinstal.htm

Alright. Thanks, Lee. That will take some study.

|> |> | On May 1, 7:48 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> |> I have discovered that I also have version 8825 of SCR56EN.
|> |> |> I'll put that on
|> |> |> my site instead of v. 6626. Have you guys decided if there are
|> |> |> any problems
|> |> |> with 8825?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> --
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com
|> |> |>
|> |>
|> |> ...snip
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcr...@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcr...@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

My mistake. Not sure what happened. Yes, I get that same message with v. 11,
no I don't get it with v. 8. Note that the message has one of those "Don't
ask me again" check boxes, so...

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:u1OriT%23rIHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | WinZip (I'm testing versions 8 and 11) does NOT change file
> | associations. Double-clicking a file inside a WinZip file does the
> | same thing as double-clicking it outside the WinZip file. Nor does
> | WinZip put up that warning you quote, I am 99.9999% sure that that
> | warning comes from elsewhere, though I can't recall where. I've seen
> | it often, that exact same warning, and not in conjunction with
> | WinZip. Try an INF file that isn't in a WinZip file. Do you get the
> | warning?
>
> Any .inf I click outside WinZip opens in Notepad-- no warning. If I
> R-Clk, Install-- I get no warning either. It just does its work, (but I
> tested with a do-nothing .inf).
>
> I guess v.9.0 SR-1 shouldn't be an exception. But I definitely see that
> warning in it. Did you open Scr56en.exe in WinZip, & click SCR56EN.INF
> in its window? What happens when you click an .exe file in a WinZip
> window? You should definitely get the warning for that! Does your
> version of WinZip have the this in its Help screens...
>
> .......Quote a WinZip help screen.............
> WinZip's Handling of Potentially Unsafe File Types
>
> This version of WinZip has been enhanced to warn you about some of the
> most common situations in which you could become infected by a virus
> compressed inside a Zip file.
>
> This enhancement involves several small changes to WinZip that we
> believe will, in these specific situations, make it less likely for you
> to be affected by a virus that has been placed inside a Zip file.
>
> If you are using the WinZip Classic interface and you double-click a
> file with a potentially unsafe file type, such as .EXE, WinZip will
> display a dialog warning you about the potentially unsafe file type. You
> can then decide whether you really want to open it.
>
> Note that this warning is only displayed when you double-click a file
> within a Zip file to open that file from within WinZip. You can still
> extract files from a Zip file to a folder on your disk without a
> warning, regardless of the file types involved.
>
> If you are using the WinZip Wizard interface, the Wizard will display a
> dialog to notify you when you begin to work with a Zip file that
> contains any files on WinZip's list of potentially unsafe file types.
> You can then decide whether you want to continue working with that Zip
> file.
>
> WinZip also displays warning text when you try to install software
> contained within a Zip file. For example, when you use the Install
> button in the WinZip Classic interface to install software from a Zip
> file that contains a Setup program, WinZip will display a dialog
> reminding you not to install untrusted software.
>
> Some WinZip users, especially "power users" who frequently work with
> some of the file types that WinZip considers potentially unsafe, will
> prefer not to see these warnings repeatedly. Therefore, all of the new
> warning dialogs have check boxes that you can use to stop them from
> displaying again.
> ..........EOQ.................................
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> |
> | <SNIP>
> |>
> |> | BTW the default
> |> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor,
> |> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt
> |> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in
> |> | the WinZip window to read them.
> |>
> |> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
> |> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get
> |> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run".
>
> I meant-- R-Clk, & select "Install".
>
> |> HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
> |> the scary caution...
> |>
> |> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
> |> SCR56EN.INF
> |> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
> |> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
> |> e-mail message.
> |> Do you still want to open this file?
> |>
> |> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
> |> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
> |> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must
> |> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary warning!
> |>
>
> ...snip
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eP6f$q$rIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| My mistake. Not sure what happened. Yes, I get that same message with
v. 11,
| no I don't get it with v. 8. Note that the message has one of those
"Don't
| ask me again" check boxes, so...

Yep. It may be you unchecked it in a "power user" fit of impatience, as
the WinZip help screen suggests. After that, XP-irradiation may have
poked the memory of having done so out of you. Some day shortly I may
well go ahead & ignore WinZip's warning about it & click an
innocuous-looking .inf just to see what happens! Will it honor Windows's
default to just open it in Notepad despite the warning-- or will it
attempt to install?

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:u1OriT%23rIHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| > | WinZip (I'm testing versions 8 and 11) does NOT change file
| > | associations. Double-clicking a file inside a WinZip file does the
| > | same thing as double-clicking it outside the WinZip file. Nor does
| > | WinZip put up that warning you quote, I am 99.9999% sure that that
| > | warning comes from elsewhere, though I can't recall where. I've
seen
| > | it often, that exact same warning, and not in conjunction with
| > | WinZip. Try an INF file that isn't in a WinZip file. Do you get
the
| > | warning?
| >
| > Any .inf I click outside WinZip opens in Notepad-- no warning. If I
| > R-Clk, Install-- I get no warning either. It just does its work,
(but I
| > tested with a do-nothing .inf).
| >
| > I guess v.9.0 SR-1 shouldn't be an exception. But I definitely see
that
| > warning in it. Did you open Scr56en.exe in WinZip, & click
SCR56EN.INF
| > in its window? What happens when you click an .exe file in a WinZip
| > window? You should definitely get the warning for that! Does your
| > version of WinZip have the this in its Help screens...
| >
| > .......Quote a WinZip help screen.............
| > WinZip's Handling of Potentially Unsafe File Types
| >
| > This version of WinZip has been enhanced to warn you about some of
the
| > most common situations in which you could become infected by a virus
| > compressed inside a Zip file.
| >
| > This enhancement involves several small changes to WinZip that we
| > believe will, in these specific situations, make it less likely for
you
| > to be affected by a virus that has been placed inside a Zip file.
| >
| > If you are using the WinZip Classic interface and you double-click a
| > file with a potentially unsafe file type, such as .EXE, WinZip will
| > display a dialog warning you about the potentially unsafe file type.
You
| > can then decide whether you really want to open it.
| >
| > Note that this warning is only displayed when you double-click a
file
| > within a Zip file to open that file from within WinZip. You can
still
| > extract files from a Zip file to a folder on your disk without a
| > warning, regardless of the file types involved.
| >
| > If you are using the WinZip Wizard interface, the Wizard will
display a
| > dialog to notify you when you begin to work with a Zip file that
| > contains any files on WinZip's list of potentially unsafe file
types.
| > You can then decide whether you want to continue working with that
Zip
| > file.
| >
| > WinZip also displays warning text when you try to install software
| > contained within a Zip file. For example, when you use the Install
| > button in the WinZip Classic interface to install software from a
Zip
| > file that contains a Setup program, WinZip will display a dialog
| > reminding you not to install untrusted software.
| >
| > Some WinZip users, especially "power users" who frequently work with
| > some of the file types that WinZip considers potentially unsafe,
will
| > prefer not to see these warnings repeatedly. Therefore, all of the
new
| > warning dialogs have check boxes that you can use to stop them from
| > displaying again.
| > ..........EOQ.................................
| >
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > |
| > | <SNIP>
| > |>
| > |> | BTW the default
| > |> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text
editor,
| > |> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with
prompt
| > |> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files
in
| > |> | the WinZip window to read them.
| > |>
| > |> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
| > |> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To
get
| > |> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run".
| >
| > I meant-- R-Clk, & select "Install".
| >
| > |> HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
| > |> the scary caution...
| > |>
| > |> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
| > |> SCR56EN.INF
| > |> You should not open this file if you received it from an
untrusted
| > |> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
| > |> e-mail message.
| > |> Do you still want to open this file?
| > |>
| > |> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
| > |> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
| > |> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you
must
| > |> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary
warning!
| > |>
| >
| > ...snip
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > Should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > pcrrcp@netzero.net
| >
| >
|

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

It's just as if you'd d-clicked it in a normal folder. Just think of WinZip
as a folder.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ut5eJUKsIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eP6f$q$rIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> | My mistake. Not sure what happened. Yes, I get that same message with
> v. 11,
> | no I don't get it with v. 8. Note that the message has one of those
> "Don't
> | ask me again" check boxes, so...
>
> Yep. It may be you unchecked it in a "power user" fit of impatience, as
> the WinZip help screen suggests. After that, XP-irradiation may have
> poked the memory of having done so out of you. Some day shortly I may
> well go ahead & ignore WinZip's warning about it & click an
> innocuous-looking .inf just to see what happens! Will it honor Windows's
> default to just open it in Notepad despite the warning-- or will it
> attempt to install?
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:u1OriT%23rIHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | > | WinZip (I'm testing versions 8 and 11) does NOT change file
> | > | associations. Double-clicking a file inside a WinZip file does the
> | > | same thing as double-clicking it outside the WinZip file. Nor does
> | > | WinZip put up that warning you quote, I am 99.9999% sure that that
> | > | warning comes from elsewhere, though I can't recall where. I've
> seen
> | > | it often, that exact same warning, and not in conjunction with
> | > | WinZip. Try an INF file that isn't in a WinZip file. Do you get
> the
> | > | warning?
> | >
> | > Any .inf I click outside WinZip opens in Notepad-- no warning. If I
> | > R-Clk, Install-- I get no warning either. It just does its work,
> (but I
> | > tested with a do-nothing .inf).
> | >
> | > I guess v.9.0 SR-1 shouldn't be an exception. But I definitely see
> that
> | > warning in it. Did you open Scr56en.exe in WinZip, & click
> SCR56EN.INF
> | > in its window? What happens when you click an .exe file in a WinZip
> | > window? You should definitely get the warning for that! Does your
> | > version of WinZip have the this in its Help screens...
> | >
> | > .......Quote a WinZip help screen.............
> | > WinZip's Handling of Potentially Unsafe File Types
> | >
> | > This version of WinZip has been enhanced to warn you about some of
> the
> | > most common situations in which you could become infected by a virus
> | > compressed inside a Zip file.
> | >
> | > This enhancement involves several small changes to WinZip that we
> | > believe will, in these specific situations, make it less likely for
> you
> | > to be affected by a virus that has been placed inside a Zip file.
> | >
> | > If you are using the WinZip Classic interface and you double-click a
> | > file with a potentially unsafe file type, such as .EXE, WinZip will
> | > display a dialog warning you about the potentially unsafe file type.
> You
> | > can then decide whether you really want to open it.
> | >
> | > Note that this warning is only displayed when you double-click a
> file
> | > within a Zip file to open that file from within WinZip. You can
> still
> | > extract files from a Zip file to a folder on your disk without a
> | > warning, regardless of the file types involved.
> | >
> | > If you are using the WinZip Wizard interface, the Wizard will
> display a
> | > dialog to notify you when you begin to work with a Zip file that
> | > contains any files on WinZip's list of potentially unsafe file
> types.
> | > You can then decide whether you want to continue working with that
> Zip
> | > file.
> | >
> | > WinZip also displays warning text when you try to install software
> | > contained within a Zip file. For example, when you use the Install
> | > button in the WinZip Classic interface to install software from a
> Zip
> | > file that contains a Setup program, WinZip will display a dialog
> | > reminding you not to install untrusted software.
> | >
> | > Some WinZip users, especially "power users" who frequently work with
> | > some of the file types that WinZip considers potentially unsafe,
> will
> | > prefer not to see these warnings repeatedly. Therefore, all of the
> new
> | > warning dialogs have check boxes that you can use to stop them from
> | > displaying again.
> | > ..........EOQ.................................
> | >
> | > | --
> | > | Gary S. Terhune
> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | > | www.grystmill.com
> | > |
> | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > |
> | > | <SNIP>
> | > |>
> | > |> | BTW the default
> | > |> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text
> editor,
> | > |> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with
> prompt
> | > |> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files
> in
> | > |> | the WinZip window to read them.
> | > |>
> | > |> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
> | > |> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To
> get
> | > |> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run".
> | >
> | > I meant-- R-Clk, & select "Install".
> | >
> | > |> HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
> | > |> the scary caution...
> | > |>
> | > |> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
> | > |> SCR56EN.INF
> | > |> You should not open this file if you received it from an
> untrusted
> | > |> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
> | > |> e-mail message.
> | > |> Do you still want to open this file?
> | > |>
> | > |> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
> | > |> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
> | > |> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you
> must
> | > |> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary
> warning!
> | > |>
> | >
> | > ...snip
> | > --
> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
> | > Should things get worse after this,
> | > PCR
> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | >
> | >
> |
>
>

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| It's just as if you'd d-clicked it in a normal folder. Just think of
| WinZip as a folder.

Alright. Despite the horrible warning, in a requestor titled "WinZip
Caution"...

This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
SCR56EN.INF
You should not open this file if you received it from an
untrusted source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or
suspicious e-mail message.
Do you still want to open this file?

....WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 just opened the clicked .inf file in Notepad. And
thanks to Lee, too. I took your assurance on top his two to be the three
swearings I needed!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ut5eJUKsIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
|> news:eP6f$q$rIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
|> | My mistake. Not sure what happened. Yes, I get that same message
|> | with v. 11, no I don't get it with v. 8. Note that the message has
|> | one of those "Don't ask me again" check boxes, so...
|>
|> Yep. It may be you unchecked it in a "power user" fit of impatience,
|> as the WinZip help screen suggests. After that, XP-irradiation may
|> have poked the memory of having done so out of you. Some day shortly
|> I may well go ahead & ignore WinZip's warning about it & click an
|> innocuous-looking .inf just to see what happens! Will it honor
|> Windows's default to just open it in Notepad despite the warning--
|> or will it attempt to install?
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | www.grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:u1OriT%23rIHA.3420@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> | > Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | > | WinZip (I'm testing versions 8 and 11) does NOT change file
|> | > | associations. Double-clicking a file inside a WinZip file does
|> | > | the same thing as double-clicking it outside the WinZip file.
|> | > | Nor does WinZip put up that warning you quote, I am 99.9999%
|> | > | sure that that warning comes from elsewhere, though I can't
|> | > | recall where. I've seen it often, that exact same warning, and
|> | > | not in conjunction with WinZip. Try an INF file that isn't in
|> | > | a WinZip file. Do you get the warning?
|> | >
|> | > Any .inf I click outside WinZip opens in Notepad-- no warning.
|> | > If I R-Clk, Install-- I get no warning either. It just does its
|> | > work, (but I tested with a do-nothing .inf).
|> | >
|> | > I guess v.9.0 SR-1 shouldn't be an exception. But I definitely
|> | > see that warning in it. Did you open Scr56en.exe in WinZip, &
|> | > click SCR56EN.INF in its window? What happens when you click an
|> | > .exe file in a WinZip window? You should definitely get the
|> | > warning for that! Does your version of WinZip have the this in
|> | > its Help screens...
|> | >
|> | > .......Quote a WinZip help screen.............
|> | > WinZip's Handling of Potentially Unsafe File Types
|> | >
|> | > This version of WinZip has been enhanced to warn you about some
|> | > of the most common situations in which you could become infected
|> | > by a virus compressed inside a Zip file.
|> | >
|> | > This enhancement involves several small changes to WinZip that we
|> | > believe will, in these specific situations, make it less likely
|> | > for you to be affected by a virus that has been placed inside a
|> | > Zip file.
|> | >
|> | > If you are using the WinZip Classic interface and you
|> | > double-click a file with a potentially unsafe file type, such as
|> | > .EXE, WinZip will display a dialog warning you about the
|> | > potentially unsafe file type. You can then decide whether you
|> | > really want to open it.
|> | >
|> | > Note that this warning is only displayed when you double-click a
|> | > file within a Zip file to open that file from within WinZip. You
|> | > can still extract files from a Zip file to a folder on your disk
|> | > without a warning, regardless of the file types involved.
|> | >
|> | > If you are using the WinZip Wizard interface, the Wizard will
|> | > display a dialog to notify you when you begin to work with a Zip
|> | > file that contains any files on WinZip's list of potentially
|> | > unsafe file types. You can then decide whether you want to
|> | > continue working with that Zip file.
|> | >
|> | > WinZip also displays warning text when you try to install
|> | > software contained within a Zip file. For example, when you use
|> | > the Install button in the WinZip Classic interface to install
|> | > software from a Zip file that contains a Setup program, WinZip
|> | > will display a dialog reminding you not to install untrusted
|> | > software.
|> | >
|> | > Some WinZip users, especially "power users" who frequently work
|> | > with some of the file types that WinZip considers potentially
|> | > unsafe, will prefer not to see these warnings repeatedly.
|> | > Therefore, all of the new warning dialogs have check boxes that
|> | > you can use to stop them from displaying again.
|> | > ..........EOQ.................................
|> | >
|> | > | --
|> | > | Gary S. Terhune
|> | > | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | > | www.grystmill.com
|> | > |
|> | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | > | news:eqFxVlwrIHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> | > |
|> | > | <SNIP>
|> | > |>
|> | > |> | BTW the default
|> | > |> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text
|> | > |> | editor, never to install them - unlike .reg files which
|> | > |> | merge with prompt as the default action . So it's OK to
|> | > |> | double click inf files in the WinZip window to read them.
|> | > |>
|> | > |> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in
|> | > |> Notepad, instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default
|> | > |> to that. To get mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run".
|> | >
|> | > I meant-- R-Clk, & select "Install".
|> | >
|> | > |> HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
|> | > |> the scary caution...
|> | > |>
|> | > |> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
|> | > |> SCR56EN.INF
|> | > |> You should not open this file if you received it from an
|> | > |> untrusted source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or
|> | > |> suspicious e-mail message.
|> | > |> Do you still want to open this file?
|> | > |>
|> | > |> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite
|> | > |> Windows's default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will
|> | > |> have the same default. If you swear it once more-- I will try
|> | > |> it! Also, you must swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives
|> | > |> you the same scary warning!
|> | > |>
|> | >
|> | > ...snip
|> | > --
|> | > Thanks or Good Luck,
|> | > There may be humor in this post, and,
|> | > Naturally, you will not sue,
|> | > Should things get worse after this,
|> | > PCR
|> | > pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

PCR wrote:
| Lee wrote:
|| On May 5, 5:40 pm, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:
||> Lee wrote:
||>
||> | On May 2, 1:57 am, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:|> Lee wrote:
||>
||> |>

....snip
||> | BTW the default
||> | action for inf files is to OPEN them in the default text editor,
||> | never to install them - unlike .reg files which merge with prompt
||> | as the default action . So it's OK to double click inf files in
||> | the WinZip window to read them.
||>
||> It may be the default to open .inf files as you say in Notepad,
||> instead of running them-- and indeed mine do default to that. To get
||> mine to run, I must R-Clk, & select "Run". HOWEVER, WinZip puts up
||> the scary caution...
||>
||> This file has a potentially unsafe file type of .INF:
||> SCR56EN.INF
||> You should not open this file if you received it from an untrusted
||> source, or in an attachment to an unexpected or suspicious
||> e-mail message.
||> Do you still want to open this file?
||>
||> I'm just uncertain what WinZip intends to do, despite Windows's
||> default. You have only sworn twice that WinZip will have the same
||> default. If you swear it once more-- I will try it! Also, you must
||> swear thrice that WinZip v.9.0 SR-1 gives you the same scary
||> warning!
||
|| But I can't since I run version 8 of WinZip which has no such
|| warning. I would be uncertain too with that dialog coming at me, but
|| find it hard to believe that WinZip would alter an inf file's default
|| action which is still set up with this registry entry:
|| [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\inffile\shell\open\command]
|| @="C:\\WINDOWS\\NOTEPAD.EXE %1"
||
|| It clearly says Notepad.
|
| Mine says the same. Also, there is...
|
| [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\inffile\shell\install]
| @="&Install"
|
| [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\inffile\shell\install\command]
| @="c:\\windows\\rundll.exe setupx.dll,InstallHinfSection
| DefaultInstall 132 %1"
|
|| You are excused from the exercise, PCR.
|
| Yea. I just don't know whether WinZip will honor Windows's default, or
| actually install the .inf. It isn't so hard to simply extract the
| .inf & then click it, after all. So far, I've found nothing terribly
| specific about .inf in WinZip's voluminous .docs-- nothing to
| distinguish it from .exe, for instance.

UPDATE... OK, fine!, I clicked it. It was as you originally said, that
WinZip too opens it in Notepad, despite the dread warning. OK, thanks.


....snip
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

[Rick Chauvin]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

---- Original Message ----
> From: "Rick Chauvin" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:%23TLnMgyqIHA.1736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> [....]
>
>> Subsequently (as I posted elsewhere) I did discover a later entry in
>> my SFCLog.txt showing...
>>
>> jscript.dll Updated 5.6.0.8825 8/9/04 5.6.0.8831 5/17/06 No
>
> [....]
>
> All of our jscript.dll's were updated to 5.6.0.8831 via:
> Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-023 (917344)
> Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code Execution
> Published: June 13, 2006
> ...which the install file for 9x obtained from WU was named:
> Windows9X-KB917344-x86-enu.exe
> Looking back in my software tracking install ecl's shows that the only
> thing that this update (Windows9X-KB917344-x86-enu.exe) install did was
> replace the previous jscript.dll and added a JS9XEN.INF file, there were
> actually no registry entries written with this update to show any
> relevance.
> Rick

 

[PCR]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:eJbRPyDuIHA.5892@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| ---- Original Message ----
| > From: "Rick Chauvin" Newsgroups:
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
| > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:27 PM
| > Subject: Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger
| >
| > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > news:%23TLnMgyqIHA.1736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > [....]
| >
| >> Subsequently (as I posted elsewhere) I did discover a later entry
in
| >> my SFCLog.txt showing...
| >>
| >> jscript.dll Updated 5.6.0.8825 8/9/04 5.6.0.8831 5/17/06 No
| >
| > [....]
| >
| > All of our jscript.dll's were updated to 5.6.0.8831 via:
| > Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-023 (917344)
| > Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code
Execution
| > Published: June 13, 2006
| > ...which the install file for 9x obtained from WU was named:
| > Windows9X-KB917344-x86-enu.exe
| > Looking back in my software tracking install ecl's shows that the
only
| > thing that this update (Windows9X-KB917344-x86-enu.exe) install did
was
| > replace the previous jscript.dll and added a JS9XEN.INF file, there
were
| > actually no registry entries written with this update to show any
| > relevance.
| > Rick

Thanks, Chauvin. That confirms Lee's statement that it was KB917344 that
did that update. Yes, looking now at JS9XEN.INF (which somehow I didn't
know was involved until now), I can see it does nothing discernibly more
than copy those two files into separate folders & possibly to have
JScript.dll register itself. I know the .dll is mentioned in 3 Registry
keys, but its version is never specified. Here is one...

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{f414c260-6ac0-11cf-b6d1-00aa00bbbb58}\InprocSe
rver32]
@="C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\JSCRIPT.DLL"
"ThreadingModel"="Both"

....Therefore, no tracker would notice the difference, if the .dll had
been registered before. Here is the .inf...

[Version]
Signature=$CHICAGO$
AdvancedINF=2.5,%VersionWarning%

[DefaultInstall]
CatalogName =js9xen.cat
CopyFiles =Copy.Engines, Copy.Inf
RegisterOCXs=RegOCX

[DefaultInstall.NT]
CopyFiles =Copy.Engines, Copy.Inf
RegisterOCXs=RegOCX.NT

[DestinationDirs]
Copy.Inf = 17 ; %WinDir%\Inf
Copy.Engines = 11 ; %WinDir%\System32

[Copy.Engines]
jscript.dll,,,32

[Copy.Inf]
js9xen.inf,,,32

[RegOCX]
%11%\jscript.dll

[RegOCX.NT]
%11%\jscript.dll

[SourceDisksNames]
1=%DiskName%,,1

[SourceDisksFiles]
jscript.dll=1
js9xen.inf=1

[Strings]
VersionWarning= "This setup requires a newer version of the Setup API."
DiskName= "Windows Script Version 5.6"
Product= "Windows Script version 5.6"

Lang=EN

 

[Rick Chauvin]

Re: Bootup - Shutdown logger

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23TLnMgyqIHA.1736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
[....]

> Subsequently (as I posted elsewhere) I did discover a later entry in
> my SFCLog.txt showing...
>
> jscript.dll Updated 5.6.0.8825 8/9/04 5.6.0.8831 5/17/06 No

[....]

All of our jscript.dll's were updated to 5.6.0.8831 via:
Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-023 (917344)
Vulnerability in Microsoft JScript Could Allow Remote Code Execution
Published: June 13, 2006
....which the install file for 9x obtained from WU was named:
Windows9X-KB917344-x86-enu.exe
Looking back in my software tracking install ecl's shows that the only thing
that this update (Windows9X-KB917344-x86-enu.exe) install did was replace
the previous jscript.dll and added a JS9XEN.INF file, there were actually no
registry entries written with this update to show any relevance.

Rick

....hope I didn't jump in out of place and time to this thread, but if I did
then greetings to you all anyway