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Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus
Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus
CdLSRN wrote:
| I did not set anything in Belkin.
For Belkin, as Terhune has been saying, if it objects to avast!'s
doings, you must tell it to allow. However, I use Kerio Personal
Firewall & do not know Belkin at all. In Kerio, it is very easy to do!
| Perhaps I should have gone to my
| site and entered the Proxy settings for Avast.
What site? Do you mean something to do with your ISP (Internet Service
Provider)? I tend to agree with Jim to do it ONLY where that URL I
posted said using the IE requestor. It's a little different depending on
whether you use a LAN or not-- but that is described at the URL. If you
crash again, DrWatson may trap it & provide a clue. What is your avast!
version? R-Clk avast! in Tray, About avast!, scroll to top of About
window-- does it say Build 4.8.1201?
But really you should get a signed release from Terhune before we do
this!
| I believe it was a fatal exception OD... but I didn't stay there
| long. I was afraid I had lost my machine. Sorry. As you can see I
| ran Dr. Watson.and posted the results......saved a copy to the
| desktop and closed it.
Get DrWatson into your Startup Group as I posted earlier. Then, it will
sit in your Tray ready to grab info the next time you crash. Post the
Diagnosis tab at that time. As for the one you've already posted, I've
answered elsewhere. It isn't horribly bad, but I want to investigate
that <unknown>.
| Yes I had fatal exceptions OD a few years
| ago (or more) caused me no end of
| trouble. Either caused by McAfee or one of my other troublesome
| firewalls.
Alright. Never mind that. If you hadn't been getting them recently, it
could be the new setting attempts. Lets see what DrWatson may say.
| CA was the first trouble free firewall that I can
| remember. Sorry, don't remember the last thing I clicked before the
| crash. I am going to set up Dr. Watson now . Then I will set up the
| proxy and the web scanner.
Very good!
| I will look for Brians links for windows
| 98 and Avast Web Shield. Should I put the proxy settings in to
| Belkin? Ginny
As Jim said (& I tend to agree)-- put the proxy settings ONLY where that
URL says. Belkin must be set to allow avast! to use the NET, though, if
it should complain. But I don't know how to do that.
Also you said...
| Perhaps it needs Quick Time to run. Ha Ha. When I tried to set up
| web shield or just open Avast it gave me several different error
| messages. "Program cannot load storage", The process cannot load,
| etc. Unless I hear from someone I will remove it and try a reinstall.
| Could Dr. Watson have interfered with it? Ginny
It won't be DrWatson, as Jim said. An un/reinstall of avast! seems in
order. BUT-- are you running out of hard drive space again, as Terhune
one discovered you were?
"START button, Run, MSInfo32"
Use the Edit menu to post the System Information window contents.
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> CdLSRN wrote:
|> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me
|> | to do. Gin
|>
|> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all
|> threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He
|> isn't quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as
|> I posted elsewhere...
|>
|> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.
|>
|> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?
|> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,
|> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing
|> you clicked before it happened?
|> (c) Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?
|>
|> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...
|>
|> "START button, Run, DRWATSON";
|> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.
|>
|> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,
|> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits
|> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis
|> tab.
|>
|> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".
|> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)
|> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".
|> (c) R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".
|> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"
|> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".
|>
|> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.
|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481
|> How to troubleshoot program faults with DrWatson
|>
|>
|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.
|> |> | Didn't know that.
|> |>
|> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only --
|> |> the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly
|> |> others -- there could be multiples involved when clicking a
|> |> single URL. I can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click
|> |> that avast! URL I posted earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased
|> |> from 17 to 22!
|> |>
|> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even
|> |> with Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.
|> |>
|> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.
|> |>
|> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site,
|> |> as I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first
|> |> remembered)...
|> |>
|> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an
|> |> alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download is
|> |> allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked
|> |> to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.
|> |>
|> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as
|> |> soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not
|> |> offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.
|> |>
|> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file
|> |> will open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when
|> |> clicked. For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd &
|> |> explicitly scanned! SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text
|> |> file will get detected when clicked at the site-- usually! If it
|> |> stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all things Eicar. Sheesh.)
|> |>
|> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan
|> |> was set to Normal or to High.
|> |>
|> |> | It can just sit there and
|> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get
|> |> | is that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall
|> |> | installed on Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe
|> |> | I've undone enough now that it WILL just sit there and do
|> |> | nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.
|> |>
|> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to
|> |> figure it, if I can.
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> | www.grystmill.com
|> |> |
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable
|> |> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that
|> |> |> | explain how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later
|> |> |> | versions.) Not sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but
|> |> |> | perhaps you could find those messages. Brian didn't
|> |> |> | contribute TOO much to the threads, so it should be easy to
|> |> |> | find them.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new
|> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in
|> |> |> | my router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do
|> |> |> | any of the things suggested in the articles cited by Brian,
|> |> |> | and it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the
|> |> |> | WebShield, that I can recall, and I've not only been using it
|> |> |> | for at least a few years, but have installed it on numerous
|> |> |> | machines with WebShield enabled (including several '9x
|> |> |> | machines) and had no problems. Which just goes to show you
|> |> |> | that it ain't all that simple.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...
|> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
|> |> |>
|> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s
|> |> |> performance at...
|> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
|> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee
|> |> |> was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses
|> |> |> there when clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had
|> |> |> to be opened after download before an alarm would sound-- not
|> |> |> simply clicked for download. )
|> |> |>
|> |> |> So...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.
|> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site
|> |> |> you visit? Also...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (c) Click the Customise button.
|> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.
|> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.
|> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on
|> |> |> Performed Action
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in
|> |> |> pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you
|> |> |> visit?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier
|> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically
|> |> |> undone. That makes sense, since it was manually implemented in
|> |> |> the first place on this Win98 machine-- but one must remember
|> |> |> to undo it manually (I guess), in the event one wants to
|> |> |> uninstall avast! for good. If not undone, I'm thinking the NET
|> |> |> won't work!
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | --
|> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
|>
|> ...snip
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
Re: SOLVED(?)Re: need antivirus
CdLSRN wrote:
| I did not set anything in Belkin.
For Belkin, as Terhune has been saying, if it objects to avast!'s
doings, you must tell it to allow. However, I use Kerio Personal
Firewall & do not know Belkin at all. In Kerio, it is very easy to do!
| Perhaps I should have gone to my
| site and entered the Proxy settings for Avast.
What site? Do you mean something to do with your ISP (Internet Service
Provider)? I tend to agree with Jim to do it ONLY where that URL I
posted said using the IE requestor. It's a little different depending on
whether you use a LAN or not-- but that is described at the URL. If you
crash again, DrWatson may trap it & provide a clue. What is your avast!
version? R-Clk avast! in Tray, About avast!, scroll to top of About
window-- does it say Build 4.8.1201?
But really you should get a signed release from Terhune before we do
this!
| I believe it was a fatal exception OD... but I didn't stay there
| long. I was afraid I had lost my machine. Sorry. As you can see I
| ran Dr. Watson.and posted the results......saved a copy to the
| desktop and closed it.
Get DrWatson into your Startup Group as I posted earlier. Then, it will
sit in your Tray ready to grab info the next time you crash. Post the
Diagnosis tab at that time. As for the one you've already posted, I've
answered elsewhere. It isn't horribly bad, but I want to investigate
that <unknown>.
| Yes I had fatal exceptions OD a few years
| ago (or more) caused me no end of
| trouble. Either caused by McAfee or one of my other troublesome
| firewalls.
Alright. Never mind that. If you hadn't been getting them recently, it
could be the new setting attempts. Lets see what DrWatson may say.
| CA was the first trouble free firewall that I can
| remember. Sorry, don't remember the last thing I clicked before the
| crash. I am going to set up Dr. Watson now . Then I will set up the
| proxy and the web scanner.
Very good!
| I will look for Brians links for windows
| 98 and Avast Web Shield. Should I put the proxy settings in to
| Belkin? Ginny
As Jim said (& I tend to agree)-- put the proxy settings ONLY where that
URL says. Belkin must be set to allow avast! to use the NET, though, if
it should complain. But I don't know how to do that.
Also you said...
| Perhaps it needs Quick Time to run. Ha Ha. When I tried to set up
| web shield or just open Avast it gave me several different error
| messages. "Program cannot load storage", The process cannot load,
| etc. Unless I hear from someone I will remove it and try a reinstall.
| Could Dr. Watson have interfered with it? Ginny
It won't be DrWatson, as Jim said. An un/reinstall of avast! seems in
order. BUT-- are you running out of hard drive space again, as Terhune
one discovered you were?
"START button, Run, MSInfo32"
Use the Edit menu to post the System Information window contents.
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ecF6cAswIHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> CdLSRN wrote:
|> | I am here and you can get me to test it. Tell me what you want me
|> | to do. Gin
|>
|> Well, (turn on DrWatson now, but) best finish up with Terhune in all
|> threads first, I think-- I'd rather he battle with MEB than me! He
|> isn't quite as mellow as he had once become anymore! After that, as
|> I posted elsewhere...
|>
|> I wouldn't necessarily give up on the avast! proxy yet.
|>
|> (a) Was it working until you set something in Belkin?
|> (b) Can you remember anything more about the fatal exception,
|> like did it mention any programs & what was the last thing
|> you clicked before it happened?
|> (c) Did you ever have one like that before setting avast!'s proxy?
|>
|> To get a bit more diagnostic info about such crashes...
|>
|> "START button, Run, DRWATSON";
|> now, D-Clk it's button in the Tray.
|>
|> What diagnosis is on the first tab? Copy/paste it's contents,
|> using the menu. Close DrWatson, but leave it in the Tray. It sits
|> waiting for a crash, then traps it, putting info into the Diagnosis
|> tab.
|>
|> (a) "START button, Find, F/F, DrWatson.exe".
|> (Should be in "C:\Windows".)
|> (b) R-Clk it, point to "Send to" & click "Desktop (Create shortcut)".
|> (c) R-Clk the shortcut on the Desktop, & select "Cut".
|> (d) Open Explorer to "C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp"
|> (e) R-Clk in the R-Pane, & select "Paste".
|>
|> Now, it will always boot to the Tray, waiting for a crash or a D-Clk.
|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=275481
|> How to troubleshoot program faults with DrWatson
|>
|>
|> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:ODYJ3lqwIHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> | OK, so Web Shield doesn't work on Win98 without the proxy.
|> |> | Didn't know that.
|> |>
|> |> That appears to be so. Athough it appears to involve sites only --
|> |> the stuff that begins "http:" & probably "https:" & possibly
|> |> others -- there could be multiples involved when clicking a
|> |> single URL. I can see 4 http:'s flash by in pop-ups when I click
|> |> that avast! URL I posted earlier-- & the Scanned Count increased
|> |> from 17 to 22!
|> |>
|> |> TIFs STILL were scanned (seen in pop-ups) as they entered, even
|> |> with Web Shield paused. Scanned Count did not increased for them.
|> |>
|> |> | Well, IMO, that ain't worth it.
|> |>
|> |> Well, it DOES seem to improve virus detection at that Eicar site,
|> |> as I said. Checking again (& this is a bit different from first
|> |> remembered)...
|> |>
|> |> With Web Shield PAUSED... none of the 8 clicked at Eicar sound an
|> |> alarm. The download box is offered instead, & the download is
|> |> allowed. The downloaded file has to be R-Clkd & scanned or clicked
|> |> to run or open for avast! to detect a virus.
|> |>
|> |> With Web Shield RESUMED... the all 4 HTTP viruses get detected as
|> |> soon as they are clicked at the site. The download box is not
|> |> offererd. All 4 HTTPS viruses behaved as with WS paused.
|> |>
|> |> Now, I see (Web Shield on or off), the HTTPS eicar.com.txt file
|> |> will open when clicked. Even downloaded, it also will open when
|> |> clicked. For a virus to be detected-- it must be R-Clkd &
|> |> explicitly scanned! SO... avast! isn't perfect! (The HTTP text
|> |> file will get detected when clicked at the site-- usually! If it
|> |> stops detecting that one, clear TIFs of all things Eicar. Sheesh.)
|> |>
|> |> For all of that, it didn't seem to matter whether On-Access Scan
|> |> was set to Normal or to High.
|> |>
|> |> | It can just sit there and
|> |> | do nothing so long as it stays out of the way. What I don't get
|> |> | is that it causes Ginny problems, even with no firewall
|> |> | installed on Windows (just the Belkin router.) Unless maybe
|> |> | I've undone enough now that it WILL just sit there and do
|> |> | nothing. I can't get her to test it, <g>.
|> |>
|> |> I see she's done a bit of testing but had a crash. I'll try to
|> |> figure it, if I can.
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> | www.grystmill.com
|> |> |
|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> |> | news:uyun5JewIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> |> |> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |> | As noted, the problem was solved. And if we want to enable
|> |> |> | WebShield, Brian A. has provided the support pages that
|> |> |> | explain how to do it in Windows 98 (different from later
|> |> |> | versions.) Not sure WHICH one of these threads it's in, but
|> |> |> | perhaps you could find those messages. Brian didn't
|> |> |> | contribute TOO much to the threads, so it should be easy to
|> |> |> | find them.
|> |> |> |
|> |> |> | All I know is that I installed Avast! on a relatively new
|> |> |> | install of 98, didn't have to change the firewall settings in
|> |> |> | my router (don't have any other firewall), didn't have to do
|> |> |> | any of the things suggested in the articles cited by Brian,
|> |> |> | and it is causing no problems. Never HAVE had to disable the
|> |> |> | WebShield, that I can recall, and I've not only been using it
|> |> |> | for at least a few years, but have installed it on numerous
|> |> |> | machines with WebShield enabled (including several '9x
|> |> |> | machines) and had no problems. Which just goes to show you
|> |> |> | that it ain't all that simple.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> You didn't set the WebShield HTTP proxy...?...
|> |> |> http://www.avast.com/eng/webshield_issues.html#idt_6869
|> |> |>
|> |> |> I've implemented that, as it seemed to improve avast!'s
|> |> |> performance at...
|> |> |> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
|> |> |> (Although, STILL it didn't appear to be as perfect as McAfee
|> |> |> was, which reported a visus for all 8 of the bogus viruses
|> |> |> there when clicked. With avast!, some of the double-zips had
|> |> |> to be opened after download before an alarm would sound-- not
|> |> |> simply clicked for download. )
|> |> |>
|> |> |> So...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (a) Click the avast! icon in the tray.
|> |> |> (b) Select Web Shield in the Installed Providers box.
|> |> |>
|> |> |> What shows for Scanned Count, & does it increase for each site
|> |> |> you visit? Also...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> (c) Click the Customise button.
|> |> |> (d) Basic tab-- ensure both items are checked.
|> |> |> (e) Web Scanning tab-- ensure Scan All Files is bolted.
|> |> |> (f) Advanced tab-- Check Show Detailed Info on
|> |> |> Performed Action
|> |> |>
|> |> |> Now, do you see a TON of HTTP's & TIFs getting scanned in
|> |> |> pop-up windows at the bottom of your screen for each site you
|> |> |> visit?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> One thing about that HTTP Proxy...
|> |> |>
|> |> |> On the one occasion I temporarily uninstalled an earlier
|> |> |> sub-version of avast!, the setting was not automatically
|> |> |> undone. That makes sense, since it was manually implemented in
|> |> |> the first place on this Win98 machine-- but one must remember
|> |> |> to undo it manually (I guess), in the event one wants to
|> |> |> uninstall avast! for good. If not undone, I'm thinking the NET
|> |> |> won't work!
|> |> |>
|> |> |>
|> |> |> | --
|> |> |> | Gary S. Terhune
|> |> |> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> |> |> | www.grystmill.com
|>
|> ...snip
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net
--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
