Windows Vista Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

[The Ghost In The Machine]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Victor
<victor@nospam.org>
wrote
on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:13:58 -0500
<pan.2008.06.16.09.13.55.738079@nospam.org>:
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>>
>> http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>>
>>
>> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>>
>>
>> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>>
>> Others?
>
> Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> Vista.
>
> 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> others
>
> 3) Support for DirectX 10 games
>
> 4) Piss off idiots who are stuck in the past with XP or advocating
> server/development operating systems for desktops

5) Aero!

6) It's from Microsoft, a tried and true company. (They've
been tried, and a lot of the allegations are apparently true.)

7) There's nothing else, though Microsoft for some reason is
trying to delay the inevitable sunset of XP. Why, I
for one don't know, but a search for "Vista" coughs up
some interesting stuff.

8) Customers identify Microsoft Windows with "the computer",
so Vista's ascension is inevitable, since it's the latest
incarnation of Windows. Might as well get with the program.

9) It's preinstalled on most systems, in some form (there
are 9 editions, 5 of which are commonly available in the US,
if I'm not mistaken).

10) It's "free". Microsoft already got their money when the
unit was manufactured; never mind whether it actually gets
sold at some point.

--
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item * f(item *p) { if(p = NULL) return new item; else return p; }
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[nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> Victor schreef:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
> >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
> >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
> >> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> >> Others?
>
> > Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> > Vista.
>
> Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery
> on Vista, even after SP1.
>
>
>
> > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> > others
>
> new audio stack?
> You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> from DVD, blue ray, etc?
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,
and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale
back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble
with Vista is due to the DRM.

 

[Alias]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Doggy Style wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g35fgn$sgk$1@aioe.org...
>> Victor wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:19:34 -0500, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mean, turn that fancy new computer into a snail -- get Vista ME.
>>> Comparing Vista to ME is what I'd expect from an "advocate". I haven't
>>> had
>>> any problems with Vista, especially not with performance.
>>>
>>>> And a lot peripherals when the old ones aren't supported.
>>> What?
>>>
>>>> Hell, if I want play games I'll buy a Wii or a PS3.
>>> When I want to play games I double click on one.
>>>
>>>> Got news for you. Linux and XP users don't envy Vista ME users. Hell, a
>>>> lot
>>>> of them *were* Vista ME users.
>>> More power to them. They're not patient to adjust to a new interface so
>>> they switch to Linux (with its reputation for user-friendliness) or
>>> downgrade to XP.
>> That "reputation" is FUD. Ubuntu is very user friendly.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Ubuntu is very friendly if you only want to browse the net, write an email
> and calculate 5 or 6 numbers on a spreadsheet.
>
>
>
How about these things?:

Email
Surf the web
Burn CDs.
Rip CDs.
Listen to music.
Watch vidoes/DVDs.
Scan and print.
Spreadsheets.
Presentations
Newsgroups.
HTML editing.
Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
Make videos.
Download photos from a camera and organize them.
Translations.
Use a dictionary
Learn how to touch type.
Edit images.
Send and receive a fax.
Take screenshots.
Create .PDF files.
Create and use a data base.
Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
Windows Live Messenger.
IRC.
Bluetooth.

and much more!

What you can't do with Ubuntu:

Worry about:
WPA and WGA raising their ugly heads,
DRM,
Viruses,
Root kits,
Spyware,
and
Malware.

Alias

 

[upyurbuttoo]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g36h92$rtc$1@aioe.org...
> Doggy Style wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMPLEASEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g35fgn$sgk$1@aioe.org...
>>> Victor wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:19:34 -0500, RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You mean, turn that fancy new computer into a snail -- get Vista ME.
>>>> Comparing Vista to ME is what I'd expect from an "advocate". I haven't
>>>> had
>>>> any problems with Vista, especially not with performance.
>>>>
>>>>> And a lot peripherals when the old ones aren't supported.
>>>> What?
>>>>
>>>>> Hell, if I want play games I'll buy a Wii or a PS3.
>>>> When I want to play games I double click on one.
>>>>
>>>>> Got news for you. Linux and XP users don't envy Vista ME users. Hell,
>>>>> a lot
>>>>> of them *were* Vista ME users.
>>>> More power to them. They're not patient to adjust to a new interface so
>>>> they switch to Linux (with its reputation for user-friendliness) or
>>>> downgrade to XP.
>>> That "reputation" is FUD. Ubuntu is very user friendly.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> Ubuntu is very friendly if you only want to browse the net, write an
>> email and calculate 5 or 6 numbers on a spreadsheet.
>>
>>
>>
> How about these things?:
>
> What you can do with Ubuntu:
>
> Worry about:
> DRM,
> Viruses,
> Root kits,
> Spyware,
> and
> Malware.
>
> Alias

Upyurbuttooo is a pice af crap toy os. It will never make it in the real
world. Just like you loser.

 

[Canuck57]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message
news:6Wz5k.12860$Ri.4609@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...

>> Burn CDs.
>
> Probably a pain in the ass with Ubuntu

Not at all. Sony/BMG rootkit does not work. In fact the safest way to copy
one or rip it is with a Linux, Ubuntu will do just fine.

>> Rip CDs.
>
> Another pain in the ass with Ubuntu

See above.

>> Listen to music.
>
> Try getting the right CODECs. Some sites work, some don't. More sites
> with with Windows.

Only for the MS-DRM proprietary stuff. No one storys in proprietary formats
if they want to play it in 5 years or on multiple devices (fair use).

In fact, with Ubuntu you can use a new open format not available to
Microsoft, OOG.

>> Watch vidoes/DVDs.
>
> Maybe

Works for me.

>> Scan and print.
>
> If your printer comes with drivers for Ubuntu. Otherwise you are SCREWED.

My HP all in one works.

>> Spreadsheets.
>
> You can add a few numbers. If you need to do complicated calculations,
> use Excel.

You haven't used Open Office for quite some time.

>> Presentations
>
> Who would want to present Ubuntu to anyone? Their software is crippled.

Actaully, I like it better.

>> Newsgroups.
>
> Not very good. Try getting decent help. Takes long time.

pan does a better job intenting quoted text than does Outlook Express or
mail. In fact, they still haven't fixed that in Vista last I checked. That
bug has been in Express/mail since W2000....

>> HTML editing.
>
> Basic HTML editing.

You are kidding right? For simple pages, Open Office can save HTML. For
more complex work I like Kompozer. Works great, even with IE... Best part
about Komposer, is it even works on XP (and Vista I suspect).

>> Games like Chess, Tetris, all kinds of solitaire, etc.
>
> If you want to play real games, use Windows

Yea, GNU/Chess versus Titans... LOL. I will give you 100:1 odds on which
one wins when fully set to best game. Takers?

>> Make videos.
>
> Primitive capabilities. For real work, use Windows.

Don't see why not. In fact MythTV also is a nice PVR without all that DRM
to fight with.

>> Send and receive a fax.
>
> Your multifunction printer handles this. Ubuntu is crippled.

Last I checked only the expensive Vista Ultimate is fax available. In fact
with Vista OEM version you MUST pay extra to get fax. Included with Linux
at no extra charge but you may have to select the package.

>> Take screenshots.
>
> Oh yea, who needs a screenshot of Ubuntu - Nobody.

In X-Windows, we were taking screen shots before Bill Gates had his first
copy of CP/M derived MS-DOS/PC-DOS running. Consider the feature anotehr
thing Microsoft borrowed from UNIX.


>> Create .PDF files.
>
> Maybe.

Trivial, not maybe. I do it routinely. But this is really a function of
Open Office for the most part although other apps support it to. So if you
load Open Office onto your XP/Vista you too can use Open Office to create
PDF files from MS-Office 2003 type docs.

>> Create and use a data base.
>
> Simple database. For BEEFIER database use a Windows solution.

Which one, MySQL or PostgreSQL?

Beefier DB in MS-Windows? That is why virtually EVERY fortune 1000 company
uses Linux/UNIX with Oracle for scalable ERP and side steps MS-SQL like
herpes?

>> Instant messaging with over 10 different programs in one including
>> Windows Live Messenger.
>> IRC.
>> Bluetooth.
>>
>
> BFD. This is mostly for kids. Once the kids see how crippled Ubuntu is
> they will ditch Ubuntu and run to Windows.

Might be, but Linux has a variety of options here. Pick which one you like.
Many even work with multiple sources so you only need one client app.

>> and much more!
>
> Much more - Headaches.

Headaches avoided.

>> What you can't do with Ubuntu:
>>
> ANYTHING WORTHWHILE

Make Bill Gates another billion, or keep his a$$ kissers happy.

 

[Anteaus]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Yep, I think it's clear that Microsoft got shafted by Hollywood over this DRM
deal. To the cost of many thousands of hours of coding work on what could
have been a great OS, had it been designed with performance instead of DRM as
the prime consideration.

Still I'm relieved that DRM has been so forcefully rejected by the
computer-buying public, after all the future of a DRM-laced computer industry
would have been a bleak one indeed.

On the same subject, we were discussing the issue of whether DVD encryption
and regionalization is at least partly responsible for the high levels of
piracy.

In the days of vinyl and VHS, there was an advantage in paying, in that you
got a better-quality product than by pirating. Now, the reverse is true. Pay,
and you get an inferior product, thanks to DRM.

The simple fact is, the DVD video format has very poor reliability.
Sticking, jumping, sudden restarts, inability to fast-forward, all are
extremely common. Many people still prefer VHS to DVD for this very reason,
the frequent failed playback of DVD being far more of an annoyance than poor
picture quality of VHS.

DivX/XviD copies on the other hand seldom suffer these annoying glitches. In
almost every way they are technically superior to the DRM-protected formats.
Even when burned to a data DVD, the DivX version is largely free from the
annoyances of the DVD-video version. Not only does it work with near-100%
reliability, it also gives a far better file-size to picture-quality ratio.

Now, convincing people that they have a moral responsibility to pay for what
they use is one thing, BUT convincing them to pay for a product that is in
every way inferior to the 'free' alternative is quite another. Piracy? No
wonder!

> > new audio stack?
> > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> > from DVD, blue ray, etc?

> > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

<nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote:

On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller
<Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> Victor schreef:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
> >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
> >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
> >> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> >> Others?
>
> > Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> > Vista.
>
> Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery
> on Vista, even after SP1.
>
>
>
> > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> > others
>
> new audio stack?
> You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> from DVD, blue ray, etc?
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,
and it's absolutely devastating. I wonder if Windows 7 will scale
back on the DRM, or make it worse. Looks like a lot of the trouble
with Vista is due to the DRM.

 

[Leroy]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 2:58 pm, "ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu"
<ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 3:26 am, Erwin Moller
>
>
>
>
>
> <Since_humans_read_this_I_am_spammed_too_m...@spamyourself.com> wrote:
> > Victor schreef:
>
> > > On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:38:24 -0700, cheley_bonstell88 wrote:
>
> > >> 1: Windows XP is still for sale
>
> > >>http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/results.aspx?text=Windows XP&tabid=1
>
> > >> 2: You can still buy PC's with Good old reliable Windows XP installed
>
> > >> 3 There are other more reliable Operating systems available
>
> > >> Others?
>
> > > Reasons to buy Vista:
>
> > > 1) You built a new computer with a dual/quad core processor, multiple hard
> > > drives on RAID, high-end video card, high-end sound card, several
> > > gigabytes of RAM, and a nice widescreen monitor. Get the best of it with
> > > Vista.
>
> > Funny you claim that, the reason I switched back to XP was RAID missery
> > on Vista, even after SP1.
>
> > > 2) A lot of new features like SuperFetch, isolated kernel, better 64-bit
> > > support, revamped network stack, new audio stack, a better UI, among
> > > others
>
> > new audio stack?
> > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> > from DVD, blue ray, etc?
>
> >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
>
> Thanks for the Gutmann reference. I had seen some other stuff of his,
> and it's absolutely devastating.   I wonder if Windows 7 will scale
> back on the DRM, or make it worse.  Looks like a lot of the trouble
> with Vista is due to the DRM.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
even ran Windows Vista!

Read the truth!

Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718

Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1

Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Carey Frisch [MVP]
<cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com>
wrote
on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:12:11 -0500
<eO6FpZA0IHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>:
> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
> even ran Windows Vista!
>
> Read the truth!
>
> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>
> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>

It matters little. Vista is the Next Generation of Windows,
and will of course ultimately be accepted, if Windows 7
doesn't outshine it first. The adoption rate appears to
be about 5-7 years from its inception in early 2007 -- which
is slower than XP, but not that much slower.

Linux? Apart from the OSS community, it's hard to say
whether it will ever gain full acceptance on the desktop as
an equal, though its placement in the server realm is well
entrenched (though not absolute; Windows has been making a
fair amount of headway, though one wonders whether most of
it is because of deals with such as goDaddy) and there may
be a number of devices using it internally. Personally,
I think Linux desktops have been usable since the early
2000's, but then I'm an old Unix head.

That is one of Linux's problems, in fact; Windows is huge
and noisy, Linux small and almost invisible. Great for
operations, terrible for ad revenue; as someone once
stated, bad press is better than no press at all.

Windows gets a lot of press. Linux gets some, but I'm
not sure the average man-on-the-street will ever know
the ins and outs of Linux distros. But tell him about
Windows and he'll instantly know about ctrl-alt-delete
"fixing" problems, and he'll probably know a fair amount
about antiviral software as well.

One would hope for more sophistication but I suspect most
individuals think of the Internet as a more sophisticated
form of television, with the computer being the device to
display it.

There are disturbing parallels. The radio system at
one point was much like Usenet, but now is dominated
by syndication. The TV broadcast network is even worse.
Is the free Internet doomed? Or will the free part simply
be marginalized, with the bulk of the bandwidth going for
next years' TV shows and software specials?

Also, YouTube hasn't been the profit center Google anticipated;
YouTube is now also embroiled in at least one, possibly
several, copyright lawsuits.

Verizon has already clamped off the alt.* hierarchy,
pruning a branch to eliminate a diseased flower (probably
alt.binaries.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct.tape and
other such, but I'd have to look). Or, perhaps more aptly,
taking a sledgehammer to attack a colony of moths or wasps.

Can't be too careful, I guess, with all that "pirated"
and offensive material going around -- some of which
might include opinions on certain regions wishing for
independence and/or actions by oppressive regimes, and
others including "stolen" TV shows and software.

Welcome to the New World Order.

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Useless C/C++ Programming Idea #992381111:
while(bit&BITMASK) ;
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[nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu]

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Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

<Quote>
ZDNet’s George Ou Exposed as Ignorant Microsoft Shill (Zoon!)

The assault on reason isn’t just a political phenomenon. Microsoft has
long been developing its own cast of apologists who have eked out full
time careers in the field of sputtering out ignorant, unfounded claims
with such insistence and volume that the undecided simply have no
alternative but to line up and applaud their seemingly convincing
rhetoric. Among them is George Ou, who unsurprisingly blogs for CNET’s
ZDNet branded website.

ZDNet desperately needs ad revenue, and the best way to drive that is
to publish sensationalist headlines that catch the attention of
throngs of Diggers. It doesn’t matter that Digg users represent an
unattractive demographic from a real marketing perspective; traffic is
traffic for web click sites.

Take Microsoft’s need for constant, high pitched spin to detract from
its grave mistakes and regular failures and combine it with ZDNet’s
unapologetically desperate brand of sensational headline writing, and
you have fertile ground for arrogant morons ready and willing to say
anything and everything. High up on the moron pile is George Ou, a
blogger billed as a “Technical Director of ZDNet.”
</Quote>

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/24/zdnets-george-ou-exposed-as-ignorant-microsoft-shill-zoon/

 

[Linonut]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

* Carey Frisch [MVP] peremptorily fired off this memo:

> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
> even ran Windows Vista!
>
> Read the truth!
>
> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>
> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1

This is George Ou. Why would one believe him?

> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284

Don't know about that guy yet.

> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast

Love! Is a many splintered thing!

--
People everywhere love Windows.
-- Bill Gates

 

[Milt]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Canuck57 wrote:
>
> In fact, with Ubuntu you can use a new open format not available to
> Microsoft, OOG.
>

I'm going to guess you meant OGG, which is easily available in Windows.

You really should check on these things before you spout off BS.

Oh wait, that is what you do, carry on.

 

[Erwin Moller]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Carey Frisch [MVP] schreef:
> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
> even ran Windows Vista!
>
> Read the truth!
>
> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>
> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>

Carey Frisch,

Well, I do read ZDnet on a regular basis.
(Mostly when I receive in my inbox subjects like: "Martians attacked
Linux conference!", and I am in need of a break.)

ZDnet used to be a reasonable reliable source of information years ago.
I am not sure what happened lately over there (and I am sure it involves
$), but to quote bloggers like Ed Bott as a reliable source of
information...

Peter Guttmann is a researcher (Department of Computer Science at the
University of Auckland) and has nothing to gain with spreading FUD.
His article contains references, many examples, and what is more: You
must know very little about encryption/decryption to think this comes
for free.

And what is more important in my humble opinion, M$ decided to protect
direct access to hardware (read the part "Elimination of Open-source
Hardware Support").

You can shout all you want about Guttman being an idiot, Vista being the
best OS ever, etc, but that won't convince any informed person with a
little experience in the field.

But I guess your signature says it all:
------------------------------------
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast
------------------------------------

I have seriously NO problem with the fact you fell in love with Vista.
Really, that is your own hobby/job/whatever, but please don't spread
misinformation in public groups and present it like facts.

I hate DRM. Let that be very clear: DRM sucks.
I bought perfectly legal CDs from Sony, only to find they had a corrupt
filesystem that made it impossible to play on my PC running a perfectly
legal OS.
(Then I tried my good old Redhat, but over there it filled my errorlog
with warnings about the corrupt filesystem.)
I ended up downloading my CDs from torrents, so I could play my CDs I
paid for on my computer!

Like it is now: DRM hits on the 'good users' while the majority of
peer-to-peer-filesharing users get working versions for free.

Nice effect. Really good thinking.
Talking about shooting yourself in the foot...

Screw DRM.
Make it work, or don't use it.

I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

 

[Alias]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Erwin Moller wrote:
> Carey Frisch [MVP] schreef:
>> The Gutmann article is pure non-sense!
>> Gutmann's claims are baseless...he never
>> even ran Windows Vista!
>>
>> Read the truth!
>>
>> Peter Gutmann turns to smear tactics with help from PCWorld NZ
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=718
>> Claim that Vista DRM causes full CPU load and global warming debunked!
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=673&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>> Busting the FUD about Vista's DRM
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=284
>> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=299
>> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 2)
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=304&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>> Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 3)
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=309&tag=rbxccnbzd1
>
> Carey Frisch,
>
> Well, I do read ZDnet on a regular basis.
> (Mostly when I receive in my inbox subjects like: "Martians attacked
> Linux conference!", and I am in need of a break.)
>
> ZDnet used to be a reasonable reliable source of information years ago.
> I am not sure what happened lately over there (and I am sure it involves
> $), but to quote bloggers like Ed Bott as a reliable source of
> information...
>
> Peter Guttmann is a researcher (Department of Computer Science at the
> University of Auckland) and has nothing to gain with spreading FUD.
> His article contains references, many examples, and what is more: You
> must know very little about encryption/decryption to think this comes
> for free.
>
> And what is more important in my humble opinion, M$ decided to protect
> direct access to hardware (read the part "Elimination of Open-source
> Hardware Support").
>
> You can shout all you want about Guttman being an idiot, Vista being the
> best OS ever, etc, but that won't convince any informed person with a
> little experience in the field.
>
> But I guess your signature says it all:
> ------------------------------------
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
> ------------------------------------
>
> I have seriously NO problem with the fact you fell in love with Vista.
> Really, that is your own hobby/job/whatever, but please don't spread
> misinformation in public groups and present it like facts.
>
> I hate DRM. Let that be very clear: DRM sucks.
> I bought perfectly legal CDs from Sony, only to find they had a corrupt
> filesystem that made it impossible to play on my PC running a perfectly
> legal OS.
> (Then I tried my good old Redhat, but over there it filled my errorlog
> with warnings about the corrupt filesystem.)
> I ended up downloading my CDs from torrents, so I could play my CDs I
> paid for on my computer!
>
> Like it is now: DRM hits on the 'good users' while the majority of
> peer-to-peer-filesharing users get working versions for free.
>
> Nice effect. Really good thinking.
> Talking about shooting yourself in the foot...
>
> Screw DRM.
> Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller

Very incisive and well thought out post. Not one Vista fanboy will
understand it.

Alias

 

[cheley_bonstell88@live.com]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
> Screw DRM.
> Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller

Agree:

Quite below on Vista Vs XP:

" Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
measurable improvement in application throughput and user
productivity? Enough said. "

Interesting statistics below.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html

 

[mcnews]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 8:51 am, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:
> On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
>
> > Screw DRM.
> > Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> > I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> > Regards,
> > Erwin Moller
>
> Agree:
>
> Quite below on Vista Vs XP:
>
> " Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
> code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
> measurable improvement in application throughput and user
> productivity? Enough said. "
>
> Interesting statistics below.
>
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html

thanks for the link.
i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
XP.
i feel better about my decision now.

 

[cheley_bonstell88@live.com]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 9:12 am, mcnews <mcour...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 8:51 am, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
>
> > > Screw DRM.
> > > Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> > > I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Erwin Moller
>
> > Agree:
>
> > Quite below on Vista Vs XP:
>
> > " Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
> > code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
> > measurable improvement in application throughput and user
> > productivity? Enough said. "
>
> > Interesting statistics below.
>
> >http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
>
> thanks for the link.
> i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
> XP.
> i feel better about my decision now.

Good to hear

I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
do the simplest thing with Vista.
Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .

Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors


IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
by Killing
Windows XP.

- SO , get it while you can.

 

[Canuck57]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


"Milt" <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com> wrote in message
news:48573f2c$0$5740$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Canuck57 wrote:
>>
>> In fact, with Ubuntu you can use a new open format not available to
>> Microsoft, OOG.
>>
>
> I'm going to guess you meant OGG, which is easily available in Windows.
>
> You really should check on these things before you spout off BS.
>
> Oh wait, that is what you do, carry on.

My typo and my error. Looks like someone has produced a Microsoft Media
plug-in. Have to watch open source, it makes it everywhere in due time.

 

[Canuck57]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
news:5b64d0d5-3c3b-4dc2-b100-1b8c6ae86ee4@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
> Screw DRM.
> Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller

Agree:

Quite below on Vista Vs XP:

" Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
measurable improvement in application throughput and user
productivity? Enough said. "

Interesting statistics below.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html

-----
That was a good article. Good find.

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 6:12 am, mcnews <mcour...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Jun 17, 8:51 am, cheley_bonstel...@live.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 5:20 am, Erwin Moller
>
> > > Screw DRM.
> > > Make it work, or don't use it.
>
> > > I will avoid Vista. I'll stick to 'old' XP and *nix serverside.
>
> > > Regards,
> > > Erwin Moller
>
> > Agree:
>
> > Quite below on Vista Vs XP:
>
> > " Would you rather throw new hardware cycles at offsetting Microsoft's
> > code bloat and voracious appetite for CPU bandwidth, or at a tangible,
> > measurable improvement in application throughput and user
> > productivity? Enough said. "
>
> > Interesting statistics below.
>
> >http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/17/12TC-vista-versus-xp_6.html
>
> thanks for the link.
> i'm in the market for a new laptop and have been looking for one with
> XP.
> i feel better about my decision now.

Or try a laptop with Linux. Or a Mac. See
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/explaining-the-macintosh-surge/