Windows Vista Ten Reasons Not to buy Microsoft Vista at this time

[Canuck57]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
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>I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
>do the simplest thing with Vista.
>Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .
>
>Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors
>
>
>IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
>by Killing
>Windows XP.
>
>- SO , get it while you can.

I am skipping the XP rush. I have 4 XP OEM licensed systems, 2 of which
still run XP, one in dual boot. But have recoveries for the others. No
sense in spending more money on Microsoft.

I think this is great for the IT world. Finally it isn't like a Borg fest
out there and asking for Linux is being listened too. Especially when you
let them know you need a X-Windows server to do your job. No extra charge
with Linux.

At home, people are looking at Macs, a relative just had a PC crap out and
to fix it does not make sense. So they are shopping. They haven't decided
yet, they are looking at an Apple and a XP. They already have decided no to
Vista after talking to a relative who wanted Vista and is now stuck with it.
I wasn't even involved, LOL.

Killing XP will force the IT world to take a long serious look at how locked
they want to be on Microsoft going forward and the costs of such a move.

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 16, 2:41 pm, Anteaus <Ante...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Yep, I think it's clear that Microsoft got shafted by Hollywood over this DRM
> deal.

I'm not sure I'd say they got shafted. It looks to me like Ballmer
hoped his DVD-based OS would, with the help of Hollywood, lock
consumers of digital entertainment into his OS forever, and he'd get a
cut on every playback.

To the cost of many thousands of hours of coding work on what could
> have been a great OS, had it been designed with performance instead of DRM as
> the prime consideration.
>
> Still I'm relieved that DRM has been so forcefully rejected by the
> computer-buying public, after all the future of a DRM-laced computer industry
> would have been a bleak one indeed.
>
> On the same subject, we were discussing the issue of whether DVD encryption
> and regionalization

I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
automatically bypasses region coding. This was quite a PITA for me,
since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add) in Europe. I
can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
Ubuntu---no problem!

> > > new audio stack?
> > > You mean of course wasting CPU cycles by encrypting everything coming
> > > from DVD, blue ray, etc?
> > >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time


> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows Desktop Experience -
> > Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> Love! Is a many splintered thing!


Looks like we got tangled up in some Windows ngs. Scarey.

 

[Rick]

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to NOT Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:36:16 +0000, Canuck57 wrote:

> <cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
> news:7f7157a8-f48a-4d64-
b601-1ef10b64a94f@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>I'm tired of my friends who've gotten hosed by Vista not being able to
>>do the simplest thing with Vista.
>>Worse, they think it's them, and have no problem with PDA's .
>>
>>Vista is also driving people over to MAC and Linux Flavors
>>
>>
>>IMHO, Microsoft has done a great disservice to the IT world in general
>>by Killing
>>Windows XP.
>>
>>- SO , get it while you can.
>
> I am skipping the XP rush. I have 4 XP OEM licensed systems, 2 of which
> still run XP, one in dual boot. But have recoveries for the others. No
> sense in spending more money on Microsoft.
>
> I think this is great for the IT world. Finally it isn't like a Borg
> fest out there and asking for Linux is being listened too. Especially
> when you let them know you need a X-Windows server to do your job. No
> extra charge with Linux.
>
> At home, people are looking at Macs, a relative just had a PC crap out
> and to fix it does not make sense. So they are shopping. They haven't
> decided yet, they are looking at an Apple and a XP. They already have
> decided no to Vista after talking to a relative who wanted Vista and is
> now stuck with it. I wasn't even involved, LOL.
>
> Killing XP will force the IT world to take a long serious look at how
> locked they want to be on Microsoft going forward and the costs of such
> a move.

.... and then, unfortunately, most will decide to stay with Microsoft.


--
Rick

 

[dennis@home]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time



"stilicho" <nessuno@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
> automatically bypasses region coding.

So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?

> This was quite a PITA for me,
> since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add

Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.

> ) in Europe. I
> can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
> issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
> region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
> Ubuntu---no problem!

Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
ubuntu.

You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)

 

[stilicho]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

On Jun 17, 12:11 pm, "dennis@home" <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net>
wrote:
> "stilicho" <ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:a6360bf6-cb16-4784-8945-d3422eeba16e@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I just recently found out that my Ubuntu system completely and
> > automatically bypasses region coding.
>
> So you have installed the DVD code, the illegal stuff?
>
> > This was quite a PITA for me,
> > since I have some DVD's bought (legally, I might add
>
> Why tell us it legal when you have installed illegal software to play them?
> You may as well have downloaded the region free versions off the net.
>
> > ) in Europe. I
> > can't play them on my Mac (haven't tried on a Windows machine but the
> > issues are the same) because it only allows a maximum of 5 changes of
> > region (that is, I can't play a mixture of European and US DVDs). On
> > Ubuntu---no problem!
>
> Its no problem on windows either if you want to install illegal software
> but at least we can play DVDs in one region legally while you can't on
> ubuntu.
>
> You really shouldn't have bought the legality into this thread. ;-)

You are correct that I could have installed software to circumvent css
on Windows or Macs.
The software I use under ubuntu is libdvdcss. It is common, almost
universal, on Linux machines because without it you cannot play most
DVDs at all.

However, it is not at all clear that libdvdcss is illegal. I quote
from wikipedia:

"Unlike DeCSS, libdvdcss has never been fought over in a courtroom, in
part because Section 1201(f) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
authorizes such circumvention for purposes of software
interoperability."

 

[DanS]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

The Ghost In The Machine <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
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>>
>> Well....MS hasn't thought that making a LiveCD would be a good idea.
>
> I could see them making a 3-day demo CD. The technology is
> already available for songs; after 3 days the CD oxidizes
> to the point of unreadability. A time bomb could also be
> put in the OS itself; this time bomb would render an ISO
> image useless after 3-4 days unless a user resets the clock.

After a little more digging, I see that the Vista LiveCD is fake !!!

I should have known by the size, as you pointed out, and done the digging
before I mentioned it.

 

[Mick Murphy]

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time

Re: Reasons to Buy Microsoft Vista at this time