Windows Vista Best Registry Cleaner for vista

[The Sand]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista


I posted earlier that Microsoft installed CCLeaner on my computer
running Vista after it crashed just a few days ago - they used CCLeaner
to do something (clearly they think it's good/safe or they would not
have installed it.) It's on my desktop right now. After reading this
do you think I should "unintall" this from my system?? Actually, I'm
afraid of even LOOKING at it after reading stuff here. What do you
think??? Because I don't want another mess like Trend Micro
Anti-spyware left me with.


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[Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:28:14 -0500, The Sand
<The.Sand.2thbsd@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

>
> I posted earlier that Microsoft installed CCLeaner on my computer
> running Vista after it crashed just a few days ago - they used CCLeaner
> to do something (clearly they think it's good/safe or they would not
> have installed it.) It's on my desktop right now. After reading this
> do you think I should "unintall" this from my system?? Actually, I'm
> afraid of even LOOKING at it after reading stuff here. What do you
> think??? Because I don't want another mess like Trend Micro
> Anti-spyware left me with.


CCleaner does more things than clean the registry. And it does some of
them well. I'm not against using CCleaner, but I am against using its
registry cleaning capability.

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[Adam Albright]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:31:35 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:02:51 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
>>Notice the original claim; all Registry Cleaners are bad, avoid at all
>>costs, which has now shifted to saying some are bad, but not all, or
>>only bad if you don't know what you're doing, but I do know kind of
>>posts which are so typical here. <snicker>
>
>now who's making generalizations. I've said from the beginning, no name brands or otherwise. DON'T use a registry cleaner. The advantages aren't noticeable, if there is such a thing as an advantage to a registry cleaner.

You don't even know how to set the line length for your news reader
and you want to lecture on a technical topic? That's funny!

 

[The Sand]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista


Ken Blake, MVP;375717 Wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:28:14 -0500, The Sand
> <The.Sand.2thbsd@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > I posted earlier that Microsoft installed CCLeaner on my computer
> > running Vista after it crashed just a few days ago - they used
> CCLeaner
> > to do something (clearly they think it's good/safe or they would not
> > have installed it.) It's on my desktop right now. After reading this
> > do you think I should "unintall" this from my system?? Actually, I'm
> > afraid of even LOOKING at it after reading stuff here. What do you
> > think??? Because I don't want another mess like Trend Micro
> > Anti-spyware left me with.
>
>
> CCleaner does more things than clean the registry. And it does some of
> them well. I'm not against using CCleaner, but I am against using its
> registry cleaning capability.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Thanks for the information Ken. I was afraid to even open it after my
Trend Micro experience. I'm afraid right now that if I click on it it
might start some "scan" the microsoft guy set up and I won't know what
to do (since I don't know that program.) I'll keep it - but I'm still
afraid of launching it right now... But I certainly WON'T use any
register cleaners (from CCleaner or anybody else) which is a good thing
to know... thanks again - I have a way of doing things wrong first... I
learn but mostly the hard way.


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[n4wi]

File Cleaner for Vista

File Cleaner for Vista

I just installed Vista Home premium but this should work for any version.
After my install it ran very slow and reboot took a long time, so I purchased
System Mechanic Professional 7. This program does it all. It fixed my Start
up defraged drives, removed all junk files, Cleaned Registry and many others.
I am now very happy with Vista with very few minor problems. You shold also
get a USB Flash drive for ReadyBoost. This will help speed things up too.
Fred

"Arun" wrote:

> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista
> Ultimate.............

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:22:32 -0700, "Terry R." wrote:

>Fact is, some people just like to have things clean. Call it anal.

Hi! I'm a member, too ;-)

>But to those who t-shoot and have experience, I say if they're
>comfortable using them, they can be a great tool.

Oh, I clean up the registry, I just don't use registry cleaners to do
it. Instead, I use two tools (aside from Regedit):

Nirsoft RegScan

This basically does a string search, then collects all the hits into a
list. From there, you can select and save as a report, or you can
drill down into edit these via Regedit.

The advantage over F3 (find next) in Regedit is that you can see how
many hits you have. So if, for example, you see you have 3000 manual
edits to do, you can back out and re-think your strategy ;-)

ZD Change of Address

This dates from Win95, but still works! It is intended for use when
relocating installed software after the fact, e.g. changing
"C:\Program Files\Maxis\The Sims 2" to E:\GAMES\SIMS2 in order to free
up space on C:, etc. and that is how I have used it.

It covers registry. .ini files and shortcuts, and is fairly
conservative; stops and asks if it can continue, etc. unlike (say)
"Kill, Bury, Deny" AutoChk.


The point about registry cleaners is that I do not want to
automatically scratch where I couldn't manually troubleshoot.



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[Terry R.]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On 7/10/2007 3:42 AM On a whim, cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) pounded
out on the keyboard

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:22:32 -0700, "Terry R." wrote:
>
>> Fact is, some people just like to have things clean. Call it anal.
>
> Hi! I'm a member, too ;-)
>
>> But to those who t-shoot and have experience, I say if they're
>> comfortable using them, they can be a great tool.
>
> Oh, I clean up the registry, I just don't use registry cleaners to do
> it. Instead, I use two tools (aside from Regedit):
>
> Nirsoft RegScan
>
> This basically does a string search, then collects all the hits into a
> list. From there, you can select and save as a report, or you can
> drill down into edit these via Regedit.
>
> The advantage over F3 (find next) in Regedit is that you can see how
> many hits you have. So if, for example, you see you have 3000 manual
> edits to do, you can back out and re-think your strategy ;-)
>
> ZD Change of Address
>
> This dates from Win95, but still works! It is intended for use when
> relocating installed software after the fact, e.g. changing
> "C:\Program Files\Maxis\The Sims 2" to E:\GAMES\SIMS2 in order to free
> up space on C:, etc. and that is how I have used it.
>
> It covers registry. .ini files and shortcuts, and is fairly
> conservative; stops and asks if it can continue, etc. unlike (say)
> "Kill, Bury, Deny" AutoChk.
>
>
> The point about registry cleaners is that I do not want to
> automatically scratch where I couldn't manually troubleshoot.
>
>
>
>> ------------------------- ---- --- -- - - - -
> I'm on a ten-year lunch break
>> ------------------------- ---- --- -- - - - -

COA, I've got that on my system. Used to use it way back when the
utilities were free on ZD Net (I think I used to dial up to a bulletin
board to download utils). I remember it did have nice features for
moving programs. Regscan seems like a nice simple tool. Thanks for the
reference.

I've used JV16 Powertools forever (the older free version). It performs
a search, I can check what I want removed, it creates a backup of the
keys I'm going to modify and then cleans. I've used quite a few
cleaners in the past to see how they work, but never allowed automatic
cleaning.

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[Bruce Chambers]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

Adam Albright wrote:
>
> I would infer if somebody is asking for a recommendation of some
> Registry Clearer he already decided to try one and is only looking for
> opinions on which work best. While one may add their opinion about
> Registry Cleaners, doing so when that wasn't the question is in my
> opinion heavy handed and attempting to influence the person unduly. Of
> course that kind of thing never happens in groups like this. <snicker>
>


So, if you were asked which handgun would be the most effective means
of homicide/suicide, you'd blithely offer the pros & cons of the 9mm v.
the .38 caliber, rather trying to dissuade the individual from
contemplated action? An extreme analogy, I know, but it accurately
describes your position, does it not.


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[Bruce Chambers]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

The Sand wrote:
> I posted earlier that Microsoft installed CCLeaner on my computer
> running Vista after it crashed just a few days ago - they used CCLeaner
> to do something (clearly they think it's good/safe or they would not
> have installed it.) It's on my desktop right now. After reading this
> do you think I should "unintall" this from my system?? Actually, I'm
> afraid of even LOOKING at it after reading stuff here. What do you
> think??? Because I don't want another mess like Trend Micro
> Anti-spyware left me with.
>
>


I may be that the technician used CCleaner as nothing more than a
scanning tool, and then manually repaired something.

CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you
step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it
really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the
application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported
"issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a
brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and
certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still
managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and
dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files.

CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive;
as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any
other snake oil product of the same type.


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[Alias]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

Bruce Chambers wrote:
> The Sand wrote:
>> I posted earlier that Microsoft installed CCLeaner on my computer
>> running Vista after it crashed just a few days ago - they used CCLeaner
>> to do something (clearly they think it's good/safe or they would not
>> have installed it.) It's on my desktop right now. After reading this
>> do you think I should "unintall" this from my system?? Actually, I'm
>> afraid of even LOOKING at it after reading stuff here. What do you
>> think??? Because I don't want another mess like Trend Micro
>> Anti-spyware left me with.
>>
>>
>
>
> I may be that the technician used CCleaner as nothing more than a
> scanning tool, and then manually repaired something.
>
> CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you
> step through each detected "issue" one at a time, to determine if it
> really is an "issue" or not, and then decide whether or not to let the
> application "fix" it. In my testing, though, most of the reported
> "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried the latest version on a
> brand-new OS installation with no additional applications installed, and
> certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still
> managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and
> dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files.
>
> CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
> usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive;
> as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any
> other snake oil product of the same type.
>
>

You're so full of sh¡t, I can smell it all the way over here in Spain. I
have used Crap Cleaner's Issues feature on all three of my computers
with only positive results. A friend, who repairs computers for a
living, has used it on hundreds of computers with only positive results.
The same is true for SystemSuite, which you have admitted you've never
used yet call it "snake oil" in your usual sneering and supercilious way.

Alias

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:18:03 -0600, Bruce Chambers
<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>> I would infer if somebody is asking for a recommendation of some
>> Registry Clearer he already decided to try one and is only looking for
>> opinions on which work best. While one may add their opinion about
>> Registry Cleaners, doing so when that wasn't the question is in my
>> opinion heavy handed and attempting to influence the person unduly. Of
>> course that kind of thing never happens in groups like this. <snicker>
>>
>
>
> So, if you were asked which handgun would be the most effective means
>of homicide/suicide, you'd blithely offer the pros & cons of the 9mm v.
>the .38 caliber, rather trying to dissuade the individual from
>contemplated action? An extreme analogy, I know, but it accurately
>describes your position, does it not.

I accurately expose the naysayers for what they are... phonies. Deal
with it.

 

[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:22:32 -0600, Bruce Chambers <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

> CCleaner's main strength, and the only reason I use it, lies in its
>usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard drive;
>as a registry "cleaner," it's not significantly better or worse than any
>other snake oil product of the same type.

And you could do that yourself from the command line with '%temp% [enter] select all [delete]
Ccleaner is just as bad as every other registry cleaner. It's addition outside the registry cleaner, are either automatic [can be configured as such], or a simple thing you could schedule into task manager. Nothing you'd need a program for.
It's registry cleaner is actually worse than others. From what I saw, it's a tedious process beyond non-informative to clean the registry.
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[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:28:22 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>You're so full of sh¡t, I can smell it all the way over here in Spain. I
>have used Crap Cleaner's Issues feature on all three of my computers
>with only positive results. A friend, who repairs computers for a
>living, has used it on hundreds of computers with only positive results.
>The same is true for SystemSuite, which you have admitted you've never
>used yet call it "snake oil" in your usual sneering and supercilious way.

You take a look at what it cleans out in the issues section.. unused extensions.. After the 1st 100, I saw no need to go on. and extension = 3 bytes . * 100 *3 = 300 bytes of disk space . I know that recovered 300 bytes is NOT going to be a noticeable difference.

What it does do with it's cleaner is delete stuff you've worked months to create. ie: handles/passwords remembered on common pages. cookies that remember settings on common pages. And once again another registry cleaner proves to be one more chain saw used to fine tune a machine.

Either that or a time waster to single step thru all the things it identifies as useless, worthless, redundant, not necessary, etc..

Everything except the registry cleaner section is stuff that comes with the OS that can be configured to clean on it's own..

One more program created just to empty the pockets of the deluded. Though in this case, other than the beg ware on the page I saw, CCleaner is a FREE util.

FWIW: If you use this, it should come with more than a [backup registry] warning. It should warn that it really does nothing but screw up settings.

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[Adam Albright]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:47:03 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:28:22 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>
>>You're so full of sh¡t, I can smell it all the way over here in Spain. I
>>have used Crap Cleaner's Issues feature on all three of my computers
>>with only positive results. A friend, who repairs computers for a
>>living, has used it on hundreds of computers with only positive results.
>>The same is true for SystemSuite, which you have admitted you've never
>>used yet call it "snake oil" in your usual sneering and supercilious way.
>
>You take a look at what it cleans out in the issues section.. unused extensions.. After the 1st 100, I saw no need to go on. and extension = 3 bytes . * 100 *3 = 300 bytes of disk space . I know that recovered 300 bytes is NOT going to be a noticeable difference.
>
>What it does do with it's cleaner is delete stuff you've worked months to create. ie: handles/passwords remembered on common pages. cookies that remember settings on common pages. And once again another registry cleaner proves to be one more chain saw used to fine tune a machine.
>
>Either that or a time waster to single step thru all the things it identifies as useless, worthless, redundant, not necessary, etc..
>
>Everything except the registry cleaner section is stuff that comes with the OS that can be configured to clean on it's own..
>
>One more program created just to empty the pockets of the deluded. Though in this case, other than the beg ware on the page I saw, CCleaner is a FREE util.
>
>FWIW: If you use this, it should come with more than a [backup registry] warning. It should warn that it really does nothing but screw up settings.

Again you demonstrate why many that post here do so only to give their
egos a vigorous massage and have little if any knowledge of what
they're critical of often admitting the don't even use the products
they are knocking.

I find it amusing how the tone has changed from never use a Registry
Cleaner they are all bad, bad, to oh there are alright if you know
what you're doing.

My guess some of those whining about Registry Cleaners are the ones
that did push the auto button, messed up their systems and think
everybody will be as dumb as they were.

You comment that Registry Cleaners are a time waster if you use them
properly by stepping through what it finds speaks volumes.

LOL!

 

[John Green]

Re Best registry cleaner for vista

Re Best registry cleaner for vista

I can only recommend Ccleaner,i have tried the so called top 5 Registry cleaners and had to do a system restore each time as they caused more problems than they fixed.

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[Julian]

Re: Re Best registry cleaner for vista

Re: Re Best registry cleaner for vista



"John Green" wrote in message
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>I can only recommend Ccleaner,i have tried the so called top 5 Registry
>cleaners and had to do a system restore each time as they caused more
>problems than they fixed.

I'd have given up after 3 max.

 

[zachd [MSFT]]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista


It does some dangerous stuff, which is why I had to get them to fix where
they were deleting WMP files before. (They were using a dangerous string
comparison that caught files that shouldn't have been deleted.)

It's interesting, but stuff like removing your back-up/uninstall files can
be short-sighted. It's a question of how much risk you're willing to take.
=\

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:%23vfb0bwwHHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> You're so full of sh¡t, I can smell it all the way over here in Spain. I
> have used Crap Cleaner's Issues feature on all three of my computers with
> only positive results. A friend, who repairs computers for a living, has
> used it on hundreds of computers with only positive results. The same is
> true for SystemSuite, which you have admitted you've never used yet call
> it "snake oil" in your usual sneering and supercilious way.

 

[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:02:27 -0500, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:

>>You take a look at what it cleans out in the issues section.. unused extensions.. After the 1st 100, I saw no need to go on. and extension = 3 bytes . * 100 *3 = 300 bytes of disk space . I know that recovered 300 bytes is NOT going to be a noticeable difference.
>>
>>What it does do with it's cleaner is delete stuff you've worked months to create. ie: handles/passwords remembered on common pages. cookies that remember settings on common pages. And once again another registry cleaner proves to be one more chain saw used to fine tune a machine.
>>
>>Either that or a time waster to single step thru all the things it identifies as useless, worthless, redundant, not necessary, etc..
>>
>>Everything except the registry cleaner section is stuff that comes with the OS that can be configured to clean on it's own..
>>
>>One more program created just to empty the pockets of the deluded. Though in this case, other than the beg ware on the page I saw, CCleaner is a FREE util.
>>
>>FWIW: If you use this, it should come with more than a [backup registry] warning. It should warn that it really does nothing but screw up settings.
>
>Again you demonstrate why many that post here do so only to give their
>egos a vigorous massage and have little if any knowledge of what
>they're critical of often admitting the don't even use the products
>they are knocking.
what I said came from USING it. Obviously you have never used this program you're defending, or you'd have noticed I knew what I was talking about with the references to the individual sections of the program.

It's a time waster based on the interface. mouse to the next item, lookup what it is, move mouse to the delete button, or next button. That's a week long job for 3000 items.
And you have to get past the 1st scan to get to when it DOESN'T find several hundred items on each scan.

>I find it amusing how the tone has changed from never use a Registry
>Cleaner they are all bad, bad, to oh there are alright if you know
>what you're doing.
You didn't hear that from me. I doubt anyone but the author of the software knows what's safe to remove in the registry.

>My guess some of those whining about Registry Cleaners are the ones
>that did push the auto button, messed up their systems and think
>everybody will be as dumb as they were.
Why would something that can do so much damage even come with an auto button ? And yet CCleaner does come with just that. They come with auto buttons, because NO ONE is going to waste a week single stepping thru several thousand entries and TRY to figure out if they really know anything about what they're fixing to delete.

>You comment that Registry Cleaners are a time waster if you use them
>properly by stepping through what it finds speaks volumes.
I have no idea what that means. To keep from killing your machine, you should never use a registry cleaner.

And they are just time wasters. If it's working there's no need to fix it. If it isn't working, a registry cleaner won't fix it. Like with Virus or Trojans. You remove BY HAND those specific keys identified by your virus software.

Or as with some virus software makers [Trend] they provide you with a program that auto cleans to AVOID having the machine screwed up by an under educated user attempting to remove stuff from the machine.
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[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:46:31 -0700, "zachd [MSFT]" <zachd@nomailplz.online.microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>It does some dangerous stuff, which is why I had to get them to fix where
>they were deleting WMP files before. (They were using a dangerous string
>comparison that caught files that shouldn't have been deleted.)
>
>It's interesting, but stuff like removing your back-up/uninstall files can
>be short-sighted. It's a question of how much risk you're willing to take.

No sense telling this crowd. They'll be fixing what their automated steam shovels destroy long after this thread dies.
And there's no way to know exactly how much damage one of those things will do until after it's done the damage.

Safer to let people know they're all going to delete something they shouldn't or that you wouldn't want deleted. And in most cases with no warning, or way to recover from the damage.
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[Adam Albright]

Re: Best Registry Cleaner for vista

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:55:39 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:


>>My guess some of those whining about Registry Cleaners are the ones
>>that did push the auto button, messed up their systems and think
>>everybody will be as dumb as they were.
>Why would something that can do so much damage even come with an auto button ? And yet CCleaner does come with just that. They come with auto buttons, because NO ONE is going to waste a week single stepping thru several thousand entries and TRY to figure out if they really know anything about what they're fixing to delete.
>
>>You comment that Registry Cleaners are a time waster if you use them
>>properly by stepping through what it finds speaks volumes.
>I have no idea what that means. To keep from killing your machine, you should never use a registry cleaner.

More proof the anti Registry Cleaner crowd while they pretend
otherwise... often don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Like anything else, if you don't know what you're doing or why you're
doing it or jump in head first blind and start pushing buttons you can
of course get in trouble. However to pretend everybody that uses a
Registry Cleaner is going to blindly push some "auto remove" button,
which is the false claim most of your guys are pretending is
disingenuous at best.