Windows Vista Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

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> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
> >
> > Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> > especially on notebooks.
> >
> > There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
Martii
> > or HPT!!
> >
> > It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
> > You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in
with
> > everything.
> >
> > So where is Linux?
> >
> > This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
Christmas
> > season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
> >
> > Poor Linux...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Moshe Goldfarb
> > Collector of soaps from around the globe.
> > Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
> > http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>
> Why would they mention Linsux? There are only 2 people that might want it.
>
>

http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=bsd&c=us&l=en&cs=04&k=linux+desktop&cat=all
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:36:55 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com>,
> General Schvantzkopf <schvantzkopf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
>> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
>
> Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.
>
> Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
> the left sidebar.
>
> Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".
>
> That wasn't very hard.
>
>> Lenovo is much better, they put Linux right out front.
>
> I've never been to lenovo.com before, at least that I recall. So let's
> see how long it takes me to find Linux.
>
> Clicked "Notebooks".
>
> Clicked "Linux".
>
> OK, one less step at Lenovo, because I didn't have to first declare what
> kind of use I intended for the machine.
>
> If I had declared my intended use, let's see what would have happened.
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office".
>
> I now have to choose a series, or I can click "Browse all Lenovo
> notebooks". If I do that, I get a page that has a Linux link. So, three
> steps, same as Dell.
>
> If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer am
> presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models, and
> their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
>

Not true. Choose a series and view models. Both Windows and Linux
versions are shown side by side.

Bug
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

In article <pan.2008.07.21.21.10.00.325023@nowhere.org>,
bugbuster <bugbuster@nowhere.org> wrote:
> > If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer am
> > presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models, and
> > their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
> >
>
> Not true. Choose a series and view models. Both Windows and Linux
> versions are shown side by side.

OK, I see what happened. If you come in through the "home and home
office" path, like I did, there are no ThinkPads shown, just IdeaPad Y
and IdeaPad U series notebooks, and IdeaCentre K series desktops. They
don't offer Linux on any of these, it appears.

If you come in through, say, "small business", then it offers ThinkPads,
and selecting a series and then viewing models in that series will
include Linux models.




--
--Tim Smith
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:15:11 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

> In article <pan.2008.07.21.21.10.00.325023@nowhere.org>,
> bugbuster <bugbuster@nowhere.org> wrote:
>> > If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer
>> > am presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models,
>> > and their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
>> >
>> >
>> Not true. Choose a series and view models. Both Windows and Linux
>> versions are shown side by side.
>
> OK, I see what happened. If you come in through the "home and home
> office" path, like I did, there are no ThinkPads shown, just IdeaPad Y and
> IdeaPad U series notebooks, and IdeaCentre K series desktops. They don't
> offer Linux on any of these, it appears.
>
> If you come in through, say, "small business", then it offers ThinkPads,
> and selecting a series and then viewing models in that series will include
> Linux models.

That is a bit strange. That's if you start from the Solutions column.
But if you go to Products->Notebooks it shows the Thinkpads.

Bug
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:44:12 -0400, bugbuster wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:15:11 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:
>
>> In article <pan.2008.07.21.21.10.00.325023@nowhere.org>,
>> bugbuster <bugbuster@nowhere.org> wrote:
>>> > If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer
>>> > am presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models,
>>> > and their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> Not true. Choose a series and view models. Both Windows and Linux
>>> versions are shown side by side.
>>
>> OK, I see what happened. If you come in through the "home and home
>> office" path, like I did, there are no ThinkPads shown, just IdeaPad Y and
>> IdeaPad U series notebooks, and IdeaCentre K series desktops. They don't
>> offer Linux on any of these, it appears.
>>
>> If you come in through, say, "small business", then it offers ThinkPads,
>> and selecting a series and then viewing models in that series will include
>> Linux models.
>
> That is a bit strange. That's if you start from the Solutions column.
> But if you go to Products->Notebooks it shows the Thinkpads.
>
> Bug

I think so.


--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
> or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
> everything.
>
> So where is Linux?
>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...
>

Well it goes something like this, if a manufacturer, distributor or
retailer wishes to supply their computers with MS windows installed they
get a licence from MS which, shall we say, limits their ability to
advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.

I also spoke to members of the technical department in the same store
about linux. They thought their customers would not know what to do with
a dos prompt, which made me laugh. I explained i'd just installed Suse
on one of my machines and had not seen a dos prompt, well ok one when
first booting from the CD your presented with a dos menu but all you
need to do is press return. After that you get a gui install not unlike
MS windows, you need to answer a few questions, geographical location,
time zone, language and are given the option to use the standard or
custom partition layout. The OS is installed, when done the CD or DVD is
ejected and a screen message tells you to remove the media and reboot.
After rebooting you are presented with a window (gui) system not unlike
MS windows, no dos prompt, unless you open a shell (command prompt in MS
speak.) Also Suse8.1 came with 7CD's 1DVD, 2 large manuals and 90 days
free support for 36GPB. A lot more than MS are willing to provide for
the Vista OS i bought at 50GBP which currently won't boot at all. MS
telephone support refer me to the email support, the email support refer
me to the telephone support, the telephone support want 46GBP before
they will consider offering any support at all. :(

If you install one of the free linux disros don't expect it to be
perfect, in most cases these are close to beta level, but the free
support you can expect from the linux community is outstanding so most
issues can be quickly resolved. If you want enterprise level software
and professional support then buy one of the commercial distros like
Suse or RedHat.
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Chipmunk <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> writes:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>> especially on notebooks.
>>
>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
>> or HPT!!
>>
>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
>> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
>> everything.
>>
>> So where is Linux?
>>
>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
>> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>
>> Poor Linux...
>>
>
> Well it goes something like this, if a manufacturer, distributor or
> retailer wishes to supply their computers with MS windows installed they
> get a licence from MS which, shall we say, limits their ability to
> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.

Rubbish. I know many stores which sell Mac and Windows ans, in some
cases, Linux.

This makes you another paranoid liar.
 
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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Hadron wrote:
> Chipmunk <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>
>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>
>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
>>> or HPT!!
>>>
>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
>>> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> So where is Linux?
>>>
>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
>>> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>
>>> Poor Linux...
>>>
>> Well it goes something like this, if a manufacturer, distributor or
>> retailer wishes to supply their computers with MS windows installed they
>> get a licence from MS which, shall we say, limits their ability to
>> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
>> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
>> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
>> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
>
> Rubbish. I know many stores which sell Mac and Windows ans, in some
> cases, Linux.
>
> This makes you another paranoid liar.

Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time i
suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in unreasoned
argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file Mr.Troll.
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:07:25 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:

> Hadron wrote:
>> Chipmunk <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>>
>>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>>
>>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
>>>> or HPT!!
>>>>
>>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
>>>> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> So where is Linux?
>>>>
>>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
>>>> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>>
>>>> Poor Linux...
>>>>
>>> Well it goes something like this, if a manufacturer, distributor or
>>> retailer wishes to supply their computers with MS windows installed they
>>> get a licence from MS which, shall we say, limits their ability to
>>> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
>>> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
>>> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
>>> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
>>
>> Rubbish. I know many stores which sell Mac and Windows ans, in some
>> cases, Linux.
>>
>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>
> Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time i
> suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in unreasoned
> argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file Mr.Troll.

Can't be much of a killfile seeing as Google shows you making all of 19
posts............

hmmmmmm.....
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

In article <uzihk.31009$E41.7339@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
Chipmunk <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.

Why would a manager of a local branch know that?

--
--Tim Smith
 
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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> So where is Linux?

If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't troll about it, would you?

Confess: your paymasters are seriously worried that Linux is the most
serious threat to their undeserved former monopoly.

--
Facts are sacred ... but comment is free
 
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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????


"Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:reply_in_group-8064EF.10232922072008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <uzihk.31009$E41.7339@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> Chipmunk <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
>> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
>> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
>> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
>
> Why would a manager of a local branch know that?

For some reason every time one of these stories is told the
assistant-manager, local manager, sales person and the cashier all seem to
know ever little detail about the "secret OEM contracts" that the corporate
headquarters signed with Microsoft.


> --
> --Tim Smith


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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:59:07 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:reply_in_group-8064EF.10232922072008@sn-indi.vsrv-
sjc.supernews.net...
>> In article <uzihk.31009$E41.7339@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Chipmunk
>> <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
>>> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
>>> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
>>> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
>>
>> Why would a manager of a local branch know that?
>
> For some reason every time one of these stories is told the
> assistant-manager, local manager, sales person and the cashier all seem
> to know ever little detail about the "secret OEM contracts" that the
> corporate headquarters signed with Microsoft.
>
>
>> --
>> --Tim Smith
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Come on, everybody knows it's the sanitation guy. I saw him in Dilbert.



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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:07:25 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:
>
>> Hadron wrote:

>>>
>>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>> Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time i
>> suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in unreasoned
>> argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file Mr.Troll.
>
> Can't be much of a killfile seeing as Google shows you making all of 19
> posts............
>
> hmmmmmm.....

Hmm maybe im being a bit thick here but AFAIK my kill file does not stop
me posting or anyone else, it stops me seeing posts made by ppl i add to
it. I see no reason to read posts like Mr.Hadron's reply as they are
less than helpful.

Chipmunk
 
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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:57:10 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:

> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:07:25 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>>> Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time i
>>> suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in unreasoned
>>> argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file Mr.Troll.
>>
>> Can't be much of a killfile seeing as Google shows you making all of 19
>> posts............
>>
>> hmmmmmm.....
>
> Hmm maybe im being a bit thick here but AFAIK my kill file does not stop
> me posting or anyone else, it stops me seeing posts made by ppl i add to
> it. I see no reason to read posts like Mr.Hadron's reply as they are
> less than helpful.
>
> Chipmunk

I was getting at the fact that you just "sort of appeared" and now seem to
be quite well versed in kill files....

We get a lot of people like that.

Most of them are High Plains Thumper nymshifting...

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Tim Smith wrote:
> In article <uzihk.31009$E41.7339@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> Chipmunk <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
>> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
>> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
>> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
>
> Why would a manager of a local branch know that?
>

This has to be the oddest news group i've ever joined. Why would you ask
that? Why would he not know that? I'd suspect it's fairly important to
be aware of the limitations imposed by company agreements less he break
them and cause a lawsuit or removal of said licence/s. Along with fire
regulations, public safety, public insurance, H&S for the work force etc.

You don't have to take my word for it, i simply repeated what the
manager told me, in law that's hearsay and not admissible evidence. Go
to your local computer shop, make sure its one that sells some Linux
OS's, check the computers on display, see any running Linux? Then ask
the manager why. Or apply to MS for a licence by telling them you are
setting up in business selling computers and wish to offer their windows
software pre installed. i'm sure they will be happy to send you a copy
of the licence agreement, which you can read and either confirm or
refute my reiteration of this managers statement.

In answer to your question, i'd say it's his job to know that. :)

Chipmunk
 
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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:57:10 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:07:25 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>>>> Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time i
>>>> suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in unreasoned
>>>> argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file Mr.Troll.
>>> Can't be much of a killfile seeing as Google shows you making all of 19
>>> posts............
>>>
>>> hmmmmmm.....
>> Hmm maybe im being a bit thick here but AFAIK my kill file does not stop
>> me posting or anyone else, it stops me seeing posts made by ppl i add to
>> it. I see no reason to read posts like Mr.Hadron's reply as they are
>> less than helpful.
>
> I was getting at the fact that you just "sort of appeared" and now seem to
> be quite well versed in kill files....
>
> We get a lot of people like that.
>
> Most of them are High Plains Thumper nymshifting...
>

Did i, oh dear didn't mean to, just joined this group as Vista has me
stumped atm. Can't get it to boot any more, generally i find solutions
through forums, google or MS knowledge base. In desperation i tried the
support phone line who referred me to the email support who referred me
here or back to the phone support to pay 46GPB. So here i am. :)

First time i've ever had the need of a kill file, normally just avoid
feeding trolls but that particular poster started out with miss
quoting/interpreting my post and insulting me. Not sure what you mean by
High Plains Thumper nymshifting, presumably some sort of insult to
fleeting posters. :)

(I realise this thread is being cross posted to several news groups, i'm
posting to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general)

Chipmunk
 
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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

In article <reply_in_group-8064EF.10232922072008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>In article <uzihk.31009$E41.7339@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> Chipmunk <rtown@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
>> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
>> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
>> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
>
>Why would a manager of a local branch know that?
>

He bloody well should. If he doesn't know at least that much about MS, then
he has no business selling anything vaguely technical, let alone computers.

To the OP, you are lucky you have a good local manager. :)
 

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