Re: Deleting Files causes Freezup
Dan wrote:
| {Note: My Usual Long Reply -- Sorry in advance because I get carried
| away -- grin}
|
| Nice, PCR. I always like that you have the lists of Microsoft Windows
| support articles.
Glad to have been useful. But I don't know much more about it. And don't
blame me if Terhune should show up & hit you over the head with a fat
..dll for thinking of an over-install of Windows & the VCM!
| dadiOH's information was useful as well. I learned
| something new today. So letterman, how are you going to work it so
| you avoid dll h_ll and I would highly suggest doing things manually
| and not using tools like "System Mechnanic" at least with Windows 98
| because I think it is really fun to read the long books on the
| operating system and slowly but surely learn how to do everything
| like manually editing the registry yourself. It can become more
| complicated in later operating systems but Windows 98 Second Edition
| is a really fun operating system to manually work on after you start
| reading up on lots of information and trying it out yourself and then
| you do not have to rely on 3rd party programs especially since
| Windows 98 and 98 Second Edition no longer have mainstream support
| from Microsoft. I do like MS-DOS that 98 Second Edition has as its
| maintenance operating system because it is fun to work in a true text
| based environment and not just a command.com prompt text based
| interface. Also, I like the fact that 98 Second Edition does not
| have as many services running automatically like Windows XP has that
| can be exploited and broken into the operating system because of
| them. Finally, AFAIK Windows 98 Second Edition has no way to remotely
| connect securely and safety with another user and this is a huge
| strength, imo, because when someone hacks into a company's intranet
| then targets your computer, if you are connected via Windows XP
| Professional VPN at least as of September 2007 then you are a goner
| but if you are connected via Windows 98 Second Edition using VPN then
| all the hacker or hackers can do to you is give you the usual denial
| of service error and this is so much nicer then actually having a
| hacker remotely control your operating system.
|
| "PCR" wrote:
|
|>
letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|> | On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:46:45 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net>
|> | wrote:
|> |
|> |>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|> |>| On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net>
|> |>| wrote:
|> |>|
|> |>|>letterman@invalid.com wrote:
|> |>|>| A while ago I was trying to network my laptop (Win2K) to my
|> |>|>| desktop (W98se). I never did get it to work and gave up. I
|> |>|>| only wanted the network to copy my camera pictures to the
|> |>|>| laptop. I decided it was easier to copy files using flash
|> |>|>| memory sticks, than fight with the network connections.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Anyhow, I am not posting this to get help with the network. I
|> |>|>| abandoned that project weeks ago.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| The problem is that ever since I tried to make this network
|> |>|>| work, I have been getting freezups. They occur particularly
|> |>|>| when I delete or move many files. For example, moving all the
|> |>|>| camera photos from my camera card (via USB card reader),
|> |>|>| caused the computer to just freeze for as much as 5 minutes.
|> |>|>| After that, it worked fine again. However during the freeze, I
|> |>|>| could not do anything, or maybe I could get a few other loaded
|> |>|>| programs to work, such as a web browser. At the same time,
|> |>|>| some other programs would crash.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| As far as what I changed, as far as I know, I removed
|> |>|>| everything connected to the networking. I removed all the
|> |>|>| un-needed entries from Control Panel/Network. (only keeping my
|> |>|>| TCP/IP), I disabled the built in ethernet card in my bios,
|> |>|>| and unplugged the cables and router, and removed all the
|> |>|>| drivers. Yet, these freezeups have continued ever since. I
|> |>|>| have tried everything, checked all the hardware for errors,
|> |>|>| and ran several system checkers.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Actually, the problem is gone, because I just renamed the
|> |>|>| windows directory (from Dos), and installed a backup from a
|> |>|>| few months ago, which was my most recent. I'll have to
|> |>|>| reinstall a few programs, and had to copy a few links from the
|> |>|>| desktop folder of the old installation, but the backup works
|> |>|>| like it should. That installation from the networking had
|> |>|>| just gone flakey and was not worth trying to repair any
|> |>|>| longer, after several weeks of fighting with it. I did
|> |>|>| reinstall IE6, thinking that had gone goofy, because I know
|> |>|>| parts of it control Windows Explorer.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Anyhow, I have a working system again, but I am still curious
|> |>|>| what the heck happened to cause the problems.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| Anyone have any ideas?
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| (I still have the screwed up installation, but I zipped it so
|> |>|>| it dont interfere with the working windows.
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| ---
|> |>|>|
|> |>|>| One other thing.......
|> |>|>| The backup was when I was still using IE5.5. Lately I have
|> |>|>| been using IE6. I only restored the Windows directory (and sub
|> |>|>| folders). IE6 is loaded in "Program Files". I did not restore
|> |>|>| the program files folder. The odd thing is that when I load
|> |>|>| IE, it works fine. It's obviously IE6, but when I click on
|> |>|>| ABOUT, it says I'm running IE5.5. How the heck can that be? I
|> |>|>| had planned to run the IE6 installer, but it works fine, just
|> |>|>| tells me I have IE5.5..... I can only assume that must be in
|> |>|>| the registry.
|> |>|>
|> |>|>Doing what you did, you got the IE5.5 .dll's where they belong to
|> |>|>solve the problem. I think -- at least -- you should put the IE6
|> |>|>.dll's into the IE6 folder, though, so IE6 will use those. Might
|> |>|>be best to reverse what you have done, & do the following...
|> |>|>
|> |>|>IE6, for some, has a problem with Copy/Delete of very large
|> |>|>files or folders full of folders & files. Here is the fix others
|> |>|>have discovered for that. Basically, move the IE6 versions of
|> |>|>BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the
|> |>|>folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which likely is
|> |>|>"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5
|> |>|>versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". Doing it that
|> |>|>way allows IE6 to use its .dll's-- but Explorer & all else (if
|> |>|>anything) will use the IE5.5 .dll's.
|> |>|>
|> |>|>(1) Indubitably do a full system backup. You need one, anyway!
|> |>|>(2) Using Explorer, copy the IE6 BrowseLC.dll & BrowseUI.dll
|> |>|> to... "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer".
|> |>|>(3) Obtain & copy the v5.50.4807.2300 DLL's to...
|> |>|> "C:\Windows\System".
|> |>|> (a) Open Explorer to C:\, R-Clk right pane, create a folder
|> |>|> named... "My System".
|> |>|> (b) Unzip the .dll's to "C:\My System".
|> |>|> (c) "START button, Shut Down, Restart in MS-DOS Mode"
|> |>|> (d) COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseUI.dll C:\Windows\System
|> |>|> COPY C:\Mysyst~1\BrowseLC.dll C:\Windows\System
|> |>|>(e) EXIT or Ctrl-Alt-Del to Windows
|> |>|>(4) Reboot.
|> |>|>
|> |>|>Try a massive copy or delete.
|> |>|
|> |>|
|> |>| Thanks for the help. You explained it very well. I'm going to
|> |>| give this a try on my backup of windows that was causing all the
|> |>| problems. However, what I did now was to just reinstall
|> |>| Windows5.5. Since the registry was set for it, and I had the
|> |>| install files, I just deleted the IE6 folder and ran the IE5.5
|> |>| installer. This is the second time I installed IE6 and it
|> |>| caused trouble with my system, so this was a good opportunity to
|> |>| get rid of it. I normally use Firefox anyhow, so I am not too
|> |>| worried about security with IE. About the only time I use IE is
|> |>| when FF dont render a page correctly, or to get a quick weather
|> |>| report because IE loads faster.
|> |>|
|> |>| The help from everyone in this thread was great and now I better
|> |>| understand why IE6 tends to be troublesome in Win98.
|> |>|
|> |>| When I restored my windows backup, I restored the entire windows
|> |>| directory and sub folders, so nothing from IE6 was included.
|> |>| Checking the registry, everything pointed to IE5.5.
|> |>
|> |>I'm thinking it isn't neat & tidy to restore a Windows folder &
|> |>sub-folders without also restoring Program Files. Program Files is
|> |>created during a fresh install of Windows along with the Windows
|> |>folder & there must be ties between the two. Installs of 3rd party
|> |>products also may use both folders &/or yet a third folder plus the
|> |>Windows folder. I would seek to get back to a state where at least
|> |>both the Windows folder & Program Files (where most things install
|> |>to but they will put stuff into certain Windows folders too) are
|> |>as/of the same date.
|> |>
|> | I agree with you on that, but since it's been summer I tend to
|> | neglect doing full backups. I occasionally copy the windows
|> | folder, as well as my email and my photos to another drive, but
|> | that is all I have done since last December. Thus there is no
|> | recent backup of "Program Files". On the other hand, since I dont
|> | do much with the computer in summer, nothing much changed. By
|> | looking at the dates of folders in Progrma Files, I found that I
|> | had only installed three programs since the windows backup. One
|> | was a real simple reminder program that does not even require an
|> | installation because the download only contains an .EXE and a
|> | Readme.txt. That one I left alone. The other two were more
|> | advanced, (Thunderbird being one of them). I just deleted those
|> | folders from Program Files before restoring the Windows backup,
|> | then I reinstalled those programs. Everything works fine now,
|> | except I had to re-download the definitions files for Spybot, for
|> | some reason that program told me I had old definition files when
|> | in fact I just updated them a few days prior. My guess is that
|> | was a registry entry.
|> | All the older programs in Program Files have remained the same
|> | since I backed up windows.
|> |
|> | The only other thing I had to do was get a few new wallpapers and
|> | fonts I had added to Windows since the backup. That was just a
|> | matter of copying them to the restored backup after installation.
|> | I saved the defective (copy of windows, just in case I find
|> | something else I need).
|>
|> Well, it sounds messy to me. I guess there is no perfect cure now, if
|> you've already played with Program Files since restoring a backup
|> Windows folder. Otherwise, I'd have insisted you restore the "bad"
|> Windows folder as a starting point. The only thing bad about it was
|> two files!
|>
|> | I ran System Mechanic and checked for broken shortcuts. There were
|> | quite a few of those, most of them just shortcuts to text files
|> | that I randomly store in a personal folder as notes to myself.
|> | They are deleted regularly so there was a lot of those showing up
|> | which had been deleted.
|>
|> Shortcuts & settings & registry tweaks are all at risk when one
|> restores a backup Windows folder as you have done. In the future,
|> you must use a cloning &/or imaging app for backups-- &
|> backup/restore all folders together.
|>
|> |>After that, install IE6 & fiddle with BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll.
|> |>I personally haven't fiddled with them except for testing, though.
|> |>That is because I don't often do massive copies &/or deletes. Good
|> |>luck.
|> |
|> | I plan to do this, AFTER I do a complete backup. The one question
|> | I have is how to know what versions (date & size) of the
|> | BrowseUI.dll & BrowseLC.dll files come from what version of IE? I
|> | looked on the web earlier and found lots of discussions, but no
|> | one addressed what versions are needed and which version is which.
|> |
|> | BrowseUI.dll is dated 7-23-01 797KB
|> | BrowseLC.dll is dated 7-23-01 35KB
|> | I assume those are from IE 5.5.
|>
|> If they are the perfect ones, they will both show version
|> 5.50.4807.2300. Looking inside IE5.5's IE_S3.cab/IE_3.cab &
|> IE_S4.cab/IE_4.cab...
|>
|> BrowseUI.dll 7/23/01 815,376 bytes
|> BrowseLC.dll 7/23/01 35,328 bytes
|>
|> So, looks like you've got the right ones, just as Colorado said.
|>
|> | --------------------------
|> |
|> | In my bad installation of windows with IE6, I have
|> |
|> | BrowseUI.dll 6-18-05 1,017,856KB
|> | BrowseLC.dll 8-29-02 62,976KB
|> | I assume this is the IE6 version.
|>
|> Those are also correct, & they are the fully updated IE6 files.
|>
|> | So, I should put the IE6 version in the IE folder and save these
|> | IE5.5 ones for the Windows/System folder..... Right?
|>
|> That is correct. It should solve the problem, if you do massive
|> deletes/copies often & refuse to go into DOS for it. Windows DOS
|> works fine no matter what version of those files one has!
|>
|> | Oddly enough, I also found the (older versions) in the Windows/VCM
|> | folder in the Windows with IE6. Therefore I actually had two
|> | different versions. WHAT IS THE "VCM" FOLDER FOR?
|>
|> Windows creates a VCM (Version Conflict Manager) folder when one
|> does an over-install of Windows. See the discussions dadiOH posted.
|> Run quick, if Terhune should approach-- he's against it for DLL-hell
|> reasons! Here is what I usually post (but I've never done it!)...
|>
|>
http://search.support.microsoft.com/kb/c.asp?fr=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US MSKB
|> Search "Version Conflict Manager"; Windows 98; Full Text; Exact
|> Phrase; comes up with four...
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;186157&Product=w98
|> Description of the Version Conflict Manager Tool in Windows 98
|> (186157) - This article describes the Version Conflict Manager
|> tool(Vcmui.exe) included in Windows 98. You can use the Version
|> Conflict Manager tool to troubleshoot problems that may occur after
|> you install a program. NOTE: The Windows 98 Help topic "Version...
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184585&Product=w98
|> Files Not Backed Up Using the Version Conflict Manager Tool
|> (184585) - When you use the Version Conflict Manager tool to restore
|> the newer versions of files that were overwritten by Windows 98
|> Setup, the files are properly restored, but the original Windows 98
|> files may be lost.
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;188307&Product=w98
|> List of Documentation Errors in Windows 98 Resource Kit
|> (188307) - This article lists known documentation errors in the
|> Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit and the Microsoft Windows 98
|> Resource Kit Book Online located in the Tools\Reskit\Help folder on
|> the Windows 98 CD-ROM. The following known documentation errors
|> are...
|>
|>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;184075&Product=w98
|> Description of Microsoft System Information (Msinfo32.exe) Tool
|> (184075) - Windows 98 includes a tool called Microsoft System
|> Information (Msinfo32.exe). This tool can be used to gather
|> information about your computer, to diagnose issues with your
|> computer, or to access other tools that are included with Windows
|> 98. This...
|>
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|>
pcrrcp@netzero.net
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Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
