Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

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While I would like the USB and other upgraded support options of SE, I
have been putting off upgrading to SE on an older laptop, because, 1.)
the FE config is running great & 2.) if anything goes wrong with the
upgrade, I don't look forward to reinstalling FE with all the fixes.

I don't have an external HDD or a CD burner on the system, so I came
up with this plan to clone the C: drive:

Remove the HDD from the laptop and install it in a USB external
enclosure.

Connect the enclosure to my XP system.

Run Ghost to clone the C: drive to an external HDD attached to the XP
system.

Reinstall HDD in laptop.

Clean install of SE.

I would appreciate knowing if this is doable, if there are any
'gotchas' waiting for me along this path, and if there are any other
helpful hints and advice from the experts that will help me make sure
I have a clone that can be reloaded by reversing the process and
restore FE.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Pointing me to relevent info would also be appreciated.
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade


"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> While I would like the USB and other upgraded support options of SE, I
> have been putting off upgrading to SE on an older laptop, because, 1.)
> the FE config is running great & 2.) if anything goes wrong with the
> upgrade, I don't look forward to reinstalling FE with all the fixes.
>
> I don't have an external HDD or a CD burner on the system, so I came
> up with this plan to clone the C: drive:
>
> Remove the HDD from the laptop and install it in a USB external
> enclosure.
>
> Connect the enclosure to my XP system.
>
> Run Ghost to clone the C: drive to an external HDD attached to the XP
> system.
>
> Reinstall HDD in laptop.
>
> Clean install of SE.
>
> I would appreciate knowing if this is doable, if there are any
> 'gotchas' waiting for me along this path, and if there are any other
> helpful hints and advice from the experts that will help me make sure
> I have a clone that can be reloaded by reversing the process and
> restore FE.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
>
> Pointing me to relevent info would also be appreciated.
>

As long as Ghost recognizes the external USB drive ...you should be OK

but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go
with SE???

Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with
Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it)
that is at least a still supported OS
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade


> but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go
> with SE???

The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for
those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash
Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the
minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE.

> Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with
> Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it)

That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3
processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And
I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no
money.

> that is at least a still supported OS-

Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it
works.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Hi Teflon,

You shouldn't have any problem running SE. I ran it for several years with
a Pentium Overdrive processor @ 100 MHz (basically a souped-up 486), and 32
MB RAM. It wasn't blazing fast, but it worked very well.

--
HTH,
Curt

Windows Support Center
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http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| > but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to
go
| > with SE???
|
| The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for
| those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash
| Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the
| minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE.
|
| > Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with
| > Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it)
|
| That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3
| processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And
| I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no
| money.
|
| > that is at least a still supported OS-
|
| Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it
| works.
|
| Thanks for your thoughts.
|
|
|
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Don't know why you'd want to clone the HD. Or do you mean "image"? Cloning
creates a partition or disk that is exactly the same as the original, right
down to being bootable (though not usually from an external drive.) What you
want it to create an image file that can be restored to the original HD if
something goes wrong. If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis
True Image.

Upgrading from FE to SE is *usually* not problematic. But with an image you
can restore if necessary, you've covered your butt just fine. If you still
feel nervous, create TWO image files. One will fit on a DVD (much easier to
restore, don't have to swap the HD again), the other you can store on the
external HD in case the DVD breaks or is otherwise corrupted.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187459724.767084.121890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> While I would like the USB and other upgraded support options of SE, I
> have been putting off upgrading to SE on an older laptop, because, 1.)
> the FE config is running great & 2.) if anything goes wrong with the
> upgrade, I don't look forward to reinstalling FE with all the fixes.
>
> I don't have an external HDD or a CD burner on the system, so I came
> up with this plan to clone the C: drive:
>
> Remove the HDD from the laptop and install it in a USB external
> enclosure.
>
> Connect the enclosure to my XP system.
>
> Run Ghost to clone the C: drive to an external HDD attached to the XP
> system.
>
> Reinstall HDD in laptop.
>
> Clean install of SE.
>
> I would appreciate knowing if this is doable, if there are any
> 'gotchas' waiting for me along this path, and if there are any other
> helpful hints and advice from the experts that will help me make sure
> I have a clone that can be reloaded by reversing the process and
> restore FE.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
>
> Pointing me to relevent info would also be appreciated.
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis
>True Image.

I'm pretty sure True Image won't work with the low amount of RAM he
has in his system.

Ross
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost will
run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is
using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run on
the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"RMD" <ebff_qnyl@lnubb.pbz> wrote in message
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> If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis
>>True Image.
>
> I'm pretty sure True Image won't work with the low amount of RAM he
> has in his system.
>
> Ross
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade


"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go
>> with SE???
>
> The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for
> those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash
> Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the
> minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE.
>
>> Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with
>> Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it)
>
> That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3
> processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And
> I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no
> money.
>
>> that is at least a still supported OS-
>
> Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it
> works.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>


Good idea to backup of course...but an upgrade from win98 to win98se should
not cause any problems...

as to win2k...though a P-III is fine...yes, you'd really need more ram...
\so win98se should be fine
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Remember philo that each operating system has its own uses. Windows 2000 is
much more business orientated and centered around NT technology as compared
to Windows 98 Second Edition which is consumer orientated and based on 9x
technology although it was a big hit with businesses also much to the
surprise of Microsoft. This is a key in realizing why there is still so much
potential to the 9x source code. I hope eventually a combination product or
perhaps another 9x product will come out to the marketplace. I am working on
this but it will most likely take years to see the light of day if it happens
at all.

"philo" wrote:

>
> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1187487622.521901.87360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >> but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go
> >> with SE???
> >
> > The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for
> > those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash
> > Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the
> > minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE.
> >
> >> Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with
> >> Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it)
> >
> > That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3
> > processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And
> > I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no
> > money.
> >
> >> that is at least a still supported OS-
> >
> > Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it
> > works.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts.
> >
>
>
> Good idea to backup of course...but an upgrade from win98 to win98se should
> not cause any problems...
>
> as to win2k...though a P-III is fine...yes, you'd really need more ram...
> \so win98se should be fine
>
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

I agree that BING was very useful although I have only used it briefly for a
trial period in the past. It looks like a really awesome product.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost will
> run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is
> using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run on
> the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "RMD" <ebff_qnyl@lnubb.pbz> wrote in message
> news:46c7ca5d.4741109@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis
> >>True Image.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure True Image won't work with the low amount of RAM he
> > has in his system.
> >
> > Ross
> >
>
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost will
> run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is
> using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run on
> the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG.

Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).

Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or
True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM
drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that
machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the
only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two
confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's
more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back)
purposes.

I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a
problem?

Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.

One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of
reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably
not, or someone probably would have suggested that.

Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

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"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost
>> will
>> run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is
>> using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run
>> on
>> the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG.
>
> Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).

That image often comes to my mind as well.

> Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or
> True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM
> drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that
> machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the
> only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two
> confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's
> more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back)
> purposes.

One thing about using XP -- when you allow XP to access a partition, it
automatically creates a few things that you don't really want or need on
your 98 machine. A differently named recycle Bin is one (IIRC, the actual
folder represented by the RB is called Recycled in 9x, Recycler in XP.)
There are also one or more super-hidden folders containing meta-data that,
while causing no problems on 9x, might cause consternation. In some cases,
due to security structures in XP, you might find that you CAN'T delete stuff
that XP put there. With great care, delete the stuff that XP adds once
you've restored the drive to the 98 machine and before upgrading to SE (if
you can delete them, of course.) Or, run the imaging program from a bootable
utility disk and never boot to XP while the drive is connected. I don't know
about Ghost, but I *think* the True Image Home Edition has such capabilities
(I use a corporate edition that provides a couple of ways to do this, either
using their own bootable CD OS or using Bart's PE.) Or, as I already
suggested, you could use BootIt NG.

> I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
> image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a
> problem?

Again, I don't know about Ghost, but BING and TrueImage can use multiple
CDs.

> Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.

You're welcome.

> One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of
> reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably
> not, or someone probably would have suggested that.

While a "clean" install is almost always preferred, upgrading from FE to SE
is the safest of all Windows OS upgrades. As always, when messing with the
OS, you want to immediately go to Windows Updates when you're finished. Note
that simply upgrading to SE won't require that you reinstall ALL of the
Updates. Many will survive intact, while others that only apply to SE, or
that are broken by the upgrade, will need to be installed/reinstalled. Yes,
to be honest, I don't completely trust this design to catch the Updates that
have been broken, which is why I much prefer clean installs. That and the
fact that I actually enjoy installing and configuring Windows and apps, and
I always make sure to keep copies of installers and registration info, going
back to '96, when I first got seriously involved with computers. In many
cases, particularly with purchased apps, I keep multiple copies. Of course,
your wife might not be as accomodating as mine when it comes to boxes full
of CDs and DVDs. (I also subscribe to MSDN, and that has generated several
boxes of disks over the years.)

> Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
> the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.

Nothing dumb about your questions. It's been a pleasure to answer them. Just
hope I didn't go too wrong anywhere, <s>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
|> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
|> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the
|> imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend
|> BootIt NG.
|
| Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
| Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
|
| Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or
| True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM
| drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that
| machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the
| only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two
| confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's
| more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back)
| purposes.

Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE
connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive
connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the motherboard?
That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second HDD
as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture
altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your
D:partition will become E:partition, if you elect to keep the second HDD
permanently installed.

| I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
| image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
| transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
| machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a
| problem?
|
| Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
|
| One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of
| reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably
| not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
|
| Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
| the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again,
sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's
fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be
EXTREMELY frustrating.

2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run on the
98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD.

My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
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> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the
> |> imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend
> |> BootIt NG.
> |
> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> |
> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or
> | True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM
> | drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that
> | machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the
> | only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two
> | confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's
> | more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back)
> | purposes.
>
> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE
> connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive
> connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the motherboard?
> That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second HDD
> as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture
> altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your
> D:partition will become E:partition, if you elect to keep the second HDD
> permanently installed.
>
> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a
> | problem?
> |
> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> |
> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of
> | reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably
> | not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> |
> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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| 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
| again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
| one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
| supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
| incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.

Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait
for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!

| 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
| on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
| bootable CD.

BING is good enough for it, then...

http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.

| My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
| images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
| equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
| connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.

I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day
anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the
secret folders it may create.

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
|> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
|> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
|> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
|> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
|> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
|> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
|> |> recommend BootIt NG.
|> |
|> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
|> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
|> |
|> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
|> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
|> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
|> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
|> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
|> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
|> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
|> | (fall-back) purposes.
|>
|> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
|> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
|> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
|> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
|> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
|> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
|> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
|> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
|>
|> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
|> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
|> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
|> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
|> | a problem?
|> |
|> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
|> |
|> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
|> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
|> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
|> |
|> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
|> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade


"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0EC79EC6-012E-4BCE-8E64-32FBA1D728A9@microsoft.com...
> Remember philo that each operating system has its own uses. Windows 2000
is
> much more business orientated and centered around NT technology as
compared
> to Windows 98 Second Edition which is consumer orientated and based on 9x
> technology although it was a big hit with businesses also much to the
> surprise of Microsoft. This is a key in realizing why there is still so
much
> potential to the 9x source code. I hope eventually a combination product
or
> perhaps another 9x product will come out to the marketplace. I am working
on
> this but it will most likely take years to see the light of day if it
happens
> at all.
>

True Win98 and Win2k are two entirely different operating systems...but
because the use essentially the same GUI...
anyone who can use win98 should have no problems using Win2k.

Though, through the years I've upgraded my hardware...I eventually switched
, for the most part, to Win2k simply because it's more stable than
win98...however I never wanted to give up win98 entirely as some of the
older apps and dos apps run better on win98 for sure.

With my last hardware upgrade...win98 did not survive. I could not get it to
work with my new equipment.
What I did was to clone it to another drive...then put that into an AMD-550
that has removable drive kits installed.
In a short time I had my old win98 again up and running. Because of the
removable drive kits I must have about 20 old operating systems saved...
going back to win3x, OS2, NT3.5 etc.
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

I wouldn't call the GUIs the same, or even similar. No more so than WinXP's
"Classic" view. Sure, they *look* similar, but actually using those GUIs is
quite different. Win2K is MUCH closer to WinXP in that sense.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:OWTp1np4HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0EC79EC6-012E-4BCE-8E64-32FBA1D728A9@microsoft.com...
>> Remember philo that each operating system has its own uses. Windows 2000
> is
>> much more business orientated and centered around NT technology as
> compared
>> to Windows 98 Second Edition which is consumer orientated and based on 9x
>> technology although it was a big hit with businesses also much to the
>> surprise of Microsoft. This is a key in realizing why there is still so
> much
>> potential to the 9x source code. I hope eventually a combination product
> or
>> perhaps another 9x product will come out to the marketplace. I am
>> working
> on
>> this but it will most likely take years to see the light of day if it
> happens
>> at all.
>>
>
> True Win98 and Win2k are two entirely different operating systems...but
> because the use essentially the same GUI...
> anyone who can use win98 should have no problems using Win2k.
>
> Though, through the years I've upgraded my hardware...I eventually
> switched
> , for the most part, to Win2k simply because it's more stable than
> win98...however I never wanted to give up win98 entirely as some of the
> older apps and dos apps run better on win98 for sure.
>
> With my last hardware upgrade...win98 did not survive. I could not get it
> to
> work with my new equipment.
> What I did was to clone it to another drive...then put that into an
> AMD-550
> that has removable drive kits installed.
> In a short time I had my old win98 again up and running. Because of the
> removable drive kits I must have about 20 old operating systems saved...
> going back to win3x, OS2, NT3.5 etc.
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:OuLEMwp4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I wouldn't call the GUIs the same, or even similar. No more so than
WinXP's
> "Classic" view. Sure, they *look* similar, but actually using those GUIs
is
> quite different. Win2K is MUCH closer to WinXP in that sense.



I think that's what I meant. Though I'm sure the coding for win98's GUI as
compared to Win2k are different...
I doubt if anyone switching from win98 to Win2k would have a problem with
usage.

As to XP...Win2k and XP are pretty much the same OS ...other than activation
of course...
the main advantage to XP is the greater driver base.
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Us XP users *love* our secrets!

--
HTH,
Curt

Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
|| 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
|| again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
|| one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
|| supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
|| incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
|
| Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait
| for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
|
|| 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
|| on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
|| bootable CD.
|
| BING is good enough for it, then...
|
| http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
| HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
| data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
|
|| My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
|| images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
|| equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
|| connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
|
| I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day
| anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the
| secret folders it may create.
|
|| --
|| Gary S. Terhune
|| MS-MVP Shell/User
|| www.grystmill.com
||
|| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|| news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
||> |> recommend BootIt NG.
||> |
||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
||> |
||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
||> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
||> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
||> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
||> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
||> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
||> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
||> | (fall-back) purposes.
||>
||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
||> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
||>
||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
||> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
||> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
||> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
||> | a problem?
||> |
||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
||> |
||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
||> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
||> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
||> |
||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
||> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
||>
||> --
||> Thanks or Good Luck,
||> There may be humor in this post, and,
||> Naturally, you will not sue,
||> Should things get worse after this,
||> PCR
||> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
| pcrrcp@netzero.net
|
|
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

<snipped for length concerns>

Hey Gary, I am a technet subscriber and have considered becoming a technet
plus subscriber. Is it honesty worth $500? BTW, what did you do to become a
MSDN subscriber and what does that offer? In addition, I still have my 98
update cd that has come in very handy to upgrade 98 Second Edition to the B
version from the A version. I actually ended up with 2 copies due to a
glitch, I think. I ordered one as Dan and another as Daniel and got 2
copies. I ordered a second time because I thought the first order got lost
and figured requesting a 2 copy would be the easiest way to make sure I got
the cd. Do you know if Microsoft offers that cd anymore for people like the
OP that could make it easier to update 98 S.E. to Internet Explorer 6 to
allow for use with Windows Update. You also get WMP 9 whether you want it or
not. I have never had too much of an issue with WMP 9, personally. Thanks
in advance for the replies.
 

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