Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

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Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Well, as long as the OP has a hard drive with less than 137 gigabytes for 98
S.E. then Teflon should be fine. I have heard a controller card can allow
the OP to get around this barrier but I have not tried it myself.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again,
> sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's
> fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
> drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be
> EXTREMELY frustrating.
>
> 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run on the
> 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD.
>
> My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
> images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
> equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> > | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> > |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> > |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> > |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the
> > |> imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend
> > |> BootIt NG.
> > |
> > | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> > | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> > |
> > | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or
> > | True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM
> > | drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that
> > | machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the
> > | only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two
> > | confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's
> > | more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back)
> > | purposes.
> >
> > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE
> > connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive
> > connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the motherboard?
> > That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second HDD
> > as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture
> > altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your
> > D:partition will become E:partition, if you elect to keep the second HDD
> > permanently installed.
> >
> > | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
> > | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> > | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> > | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a
> > | problem?
> > |
> > | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> > |
> > | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of
> > | reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably
> > | not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> > |
> > | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
> > | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
> >
> > --
> > Thanks or Good Luck,
> > There may be humor in this post, and,
> > Naturally, you will not sue,
> > Should things get worse after this,
> > PCR
> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
> >
> >
>
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional does it
really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard with
98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I still
see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in terms of
compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs and uses
old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too much to
get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they made a
mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better. I am now
using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that Microsoft
removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some of the
tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have to format
the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have some
valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy more on Ebay
if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in it left
despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11, 2006.
98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best operating
system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second choice
after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.

"PCR" wrote:

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
>
> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait
> for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
>
> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
> | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
> | bootable CD.
>
> BING is good enough for it, then...
>
> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
>
> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
> | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
>
> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day
> anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the
> secret folders it may create.
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
> |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
> |> |
> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> |> |
> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
> |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
> |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
> |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
> |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
> |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
> |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
> |> | (fall-back) purposes.
> |>
> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
> |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
> |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
> |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
> |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
> |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
> |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
> |>
> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
> |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
> |> | a problem?
> |> |
> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> |> |
> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
> |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
> |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> |> |
> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
> |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Now, now we can't have "too many secrets" now can we. Anyone catch the movie
reference between the quotes. Hint it is an older movie and I think it is
from the 1980's.

"Curt Christianson" wrote:

> Us XP users *love* our secrets!
>
> --
> HTH,
> Curt
>
> Windows Support Center
> www.aumha.org
> Practically Nerded,...
> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> || 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> || again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
> || one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
> || supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
> || incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
> |
> | Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait
> | for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
> |
> || 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
> || on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
> || bootable CD.
> |
> | BING is good enough for it, then...
> |
> | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
> | capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
> | HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
> | data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
> |
> || My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
> || images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
> || equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> || connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
> |
> | I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day
> | anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the
> | secret folders it may create.
> |
> || --
> || Gary S. Terhune
> || MS-MVP Shell/User
> || www.grystmill.com
> ||
> || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> || news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> ||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> ||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> ||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> ||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> ||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> ||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
> ||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
> ||> |> recommend BootIt NG.
> ||> |
> ||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> ||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> ||> |
> ||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
> ||> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
> ||> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
> ||> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
> ||> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
> ||> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
> ||> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
> ||> | (fall-back) purposes.
> ||>
> ||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
> ||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
> ||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
> ||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
> ||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
> ||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
> ||> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
> ||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
> ||>
> ||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
> ||> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> ||> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> ||> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
> ||> | a problem?
> ||> |
> ||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> ||> |
> ||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
> ||> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
> ||> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> ||> |
> ||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
> ||> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
> ||>
> ||> --
> ||> Thanks or Good Luck,
> ||> There may be humor in this post, and,
> ||> Naturally, you will not sue,
> ||> Should things get worse after this,
> ||> PCR
> ||> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |
> | --
> | Thanks or Good Luck,
> | There may be humor in this post, and,
> | Naturally, you will not sue,
> | Should things get worse after this,
> | PCR
> | pcrrcp@netzero.net
> |
> |
>
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

I don't remember too much from the 1980's Dan. I think I was in the midst
of a decade-long blackout.

--
HTH,
Curt

Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3B9514A1-E2E4-40B1-A909-BB7FCE80BED5@microsoft.com...
| Now, now we can't have "too many secrets" now can we. Anyone catch the
movie
| reference between the quotes. Hint it is an older movie and I think it is
| from the 1980's.
|
| "Curt Christianson" wrote:
|
| > Us XP users *love* our secrets!
| >
| > --
| > HTH,
| > Curt
| >
| > Windows Support Center
| > www.aumha.org
| > Practically Nerded,...
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| >
| > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| > || 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
| > || again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
| > || one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
| > || supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
| > || incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
| > |
| > | Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
wait
| > | for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
| > |
| > || 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
| > || on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
| > || bootable CD.
| > |
| > | BING is good enough for it, then...
| > |
| > | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| > | capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image
to
| > | HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
| > | data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| > |
| > || My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
hold
| > || images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
| > || equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
| > || connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
| > |
| > | I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some
day
| > | anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP &
the
| > | secret folders it may create.
| > |
| > || --
| > || Gary S. Terhune
| > || MS-MVP Shell/User
| > || www.grystmill.com
| > ||
| > || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > || news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > ||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > ||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
| > ||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
| > ||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
| > ||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
| > ||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
| > ||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
| > ||> |> recommend BootIt NG.
| > ||> |
| > ||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
| > ||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
| > ||> |
| > ||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
| > ||> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
| > ||> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
| > ||> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
| > ||> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
| > ||> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
| > ||> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
| > ||> | (fall-back) purposes.
| > ||>
| > ||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
| > ||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
| > ||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
| > ||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
| > ||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
| > ||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
| > ||> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
| > ||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
| > ||>
| > ||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
| > ||> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
| > ||> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
| > ||> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
| > ||> | a problem?
| > ||> |
| > ||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
| > ||> |
| > ||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
| > ||> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
| > ||> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
| > ||> |
| > ||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
found
| > ||> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
| > ||>
| > ||> --
| > ||> Thanks or Good Luck,
| > ||> There may be humor in this post, and,
| > ||> Naturally, you will not sue,
| > ||> Should things get worse after this,
| > ||> PCR
| > ||> pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > |
| > | --
| > | Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | Should things get worse after this,
| > | PCR
| > | pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| >
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

I don't know what you mean, "how" did I subscribe to MSDN. I subscribed,
period. No, MS does not offer the 98 to 98SE UPDATE CD anymore. You'd have
to look around and find someone who has it and make a copy.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B2160DDA-9EEC-47FC-9E76-492A7AF970FF@microsoft.com...
> <snipped for length concerns>
>
> Hey Gary, I am a technet subscriber and have considered becoming a technet
> plus subscriber. Is it honesty worth $500? BTW, what did you do to
> become a
> MSDN subscriber and what does that offer? In addition, I still have my 98
> update cd that has come in very handy to upgrade 98 Second Edition to the
> B
> version from the A version. I actually ended up with 2 copies due to a
> glitch, I think. I ordered one as Dan and another as Daniel and got 2
> copies. I ordered a second time because I thought the first order got
> lost
> and figured requesting a 2 copy would be the easiest way to make sure I
> got
> the cd. Do you know if Microsoft offers that cd anymore for people like
> the
> OP that could make it easier to update 98 S.E. to Internet Explorer 6 to
> allow for use with Windows Update. You also get WMP 9 whether you want it
> or
> not. I have never had too much of an issue with WMP 9, personally.
> Thanks
> in advance for the replies.
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

You two, eh? I started them with a broken first marriage and no prospects of
seeing my daughter again soon, and ended them with my third wife and two
more kids

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eqJoZps4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I don't remember too much from the 1980's Dan. I think I was in the midst
> of a decade-long blackout.
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

XP has three possible settings. Hide Hidden files, show Hidden files, and
show "super-hidden" files (Protected Operating System files). I leave that
last turned of because it makes a lot of things more inconvenient. They
often can't be moved or deleted and that makes mass file operations a pain..

As for XP vs 9x, or the prospects of a new 9x... You realize that you're
beating a dead horse, right? Ain't never going to happen unless MS for some
reason gives away the patent on the 9x kernel and someone else does it.
Writing endless paragraphs about it is not going to change the facts (and
will prompt me to start ignoring your posts again). You could bury MS in
suggestion/complaint letters and it still would never happen. It's like
asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going to happen. Get over it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:095127BA-8FAF-4D3F-8095-CC4D1D45A0C9@microsoft.com...
> The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional does
> it
> really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard with
> 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I still
> see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in terms
> of
> compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs and
> uses
> old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too much
> to
> get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they
> made a
> mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better. I am
> now
> using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that
> Microsoft
> removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some of
> the
> tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have to
> format
> the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have some
> valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy more on
> Ebay
> if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in it
> left
> despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11, 2006.
> 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best
> operating
> system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second choice
> after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.
>
> "PCR" wrote:
>
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
>> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
>> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
>> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
>> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
>> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
>>
>> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait
>> for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
>>
>> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
>> | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
>> | bootable CD.
>>
>> BING is good enough for it, then...
>>
>> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
>> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
>> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
>> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
>>
>> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
>> | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
>> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
>> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
>>
>> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day
>> anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the
>> secret folders it may create.
>>
>> | --
>> | Gary S. Terhune
>> | MS-MVP Shell/User
>> | www.grystmill.com
>> |
>> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
>> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
>> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
>> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
>> |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
>> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
>> |> |
>> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
>> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
>> |> |
>> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
>> |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
>> |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
>> |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
>> |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
>> |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
>> |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
>> |> | (fall-back) purposes.
>> |>
>> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
>> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
>> |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
>> |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
>> |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
>> |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
>> |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
>> |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
>> |>
>> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
>> |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
>> |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
>> |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
>> |> | a problem?
>> |> |
>> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
>> |> |
>> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
>> |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
>> |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
>> |> |
>> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
>> |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
>> |>
>> |> --
>> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> |> Should things get worse after this,
>> |> PCR
>> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> Should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>
>>
>>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

There are several other possible incompatibilities and limits besides the
one you mention, and no, I'm not going to list them. I'll let someone else
do that.

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MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B15668C7-1C7B-4F4D-8929-9CA2B13C4FCB@microsoft.com...
> Well, as long as the OP has a hard drive with less than 137 gigabytes for
> 98
> S.E. then Teflon should be fine. I have heard a controller card can allow
> the OP to get around this barrier but I have not tried it myself.
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:
>
>> 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again,
>> sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's
>> fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
>> drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be
>> EXTREMELY frustrating.
>>
>> 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run on
>> the
>> 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD.
>>
>> My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
>> images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
>> equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
>> connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>>
>> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
>> > | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
>> > |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
>> > |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
>> > |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the
>> > |> imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend
>> > |> BootIt NG.
>> > |
>> > | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
>> > | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
>> > |
>> > | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or
>> > | True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM
>> > | drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that
>> > | machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the
>> > | only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two
>> > | confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's
>> > | more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back)
>> > | purposes.
>> >
>> > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE
>> > connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive
>> > connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
>> > motherboard?
>> > That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second
>> > HDD
>> > as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture
>> > altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done,
>> > your
>> > D:partition will become E:partition, if you elect to keep the second
>> > HDD
>> > permanently installed.
>> >
>> > | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
>> > | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
>> > | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
>> > | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a
>> > | problem?
>> > |
>> > | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
>> > |
>> > | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of
>> > | reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably
>> > | not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
>> > |
>> > | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found
>> > | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Thanks or Good Luck,
>> > There may be humor in this post, and,
>> > Naturally, you will not sue,
>> > Should things get worse after this,
>> > PCR
>> > pcrrcp@netzero.net
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Dan wrote:

> I have heard a controller card can allow the OP to get around
> this barrier but I have not tried it myself.

Win-98 works fine on a 500 gb SATA hard drive (the largest drive I've
tried so far).
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

They don't make Econolines anymore??

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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u7tS0Bt4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| XP has three possible settings. Hide Hidden files, show Hidden files, and
| show "super-hidden" files (Protected Operating System files). I leave that
| last turned of because it makes a lot of things more inconvenient. They
| often can't be moved or deleted and that makes mass file operations a
pain..
|
| As for XP vs 9x, or the prospects of a new 9x... You realize that you're
| beating a dead horse, right? Ain't never going to happen unless MS for
some
| reason gives away the patent on the 9x kernel and someone else does it.
| Writing endless paragraphs about it is not going to change the facts (and
| will prompt me to start ignoring your posts again). You could bury MS in
| suggestion/complaint letters and it still would never happen. It's like
| asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going to happen. Get over
it.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:095127BA-8FAF-4D3F-8095-CC4D1D45A0C9@microsoft.com...
| > The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional
does
| > it
| > really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard
with
| > 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I
still
| > see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in
terms
| > of
| > compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs and
| > uses
| > old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too
much
| > to
| > get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they
| > made a
| > mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better. I
am
| > now
| > using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that
| > Microsoft
| > removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some of
| > the
| > tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have to
| > format
| > the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have some
| > valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy more on
| > Ebay
| > if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in it
| > left
| > despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11,
2006.
| > 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best
| > operating
| > system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second
choice
| > after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.
| >
| > "PCR" wrote:
| >
| >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| >> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| >> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
| >> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
| >> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
| >> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
| >> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
| >>
| >> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
wait
| >> for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
| >>
| >> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run
| >> | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
| >> | bootable CD.
| >>
| >> BING is good enough for it, then...
| >>
| >> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| >> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to
| >> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without
| >> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| >>
| >> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
hold
| >> | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
| >> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
| >> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
| >>
| >> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day
| >> anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the
| >> secret folders it may create.
| >>
| >> | --
| >> | Gary S. Terhune
| >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
| >> | www.grystmill.com
| >> |
| >> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| >> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
| >> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
| >> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
| >> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
| >> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
| >> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If
| >> |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
| >> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
| >> |> |
| >> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
| >> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
| >> |> |
| >> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost
| >> |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD
| >> |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
| >> |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
| >> |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got
| >> |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP
| >> |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
| >> |> | (fall-back) purposes.
| >> |>
| >> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
| >> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD
| >> |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
| >> |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
| >> |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
| >> |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
| >> |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
| >> |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
| >> |>
| >> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an
| >> |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
| >> |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
| >> |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be
| >> |> | a problem?
| >> |> |
| >> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
| >> |> |
| >> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort
| >> |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
| >> |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
| >> |> |
| >> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
found
| >> |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
| >> |>
| >> |> --
| >> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
| >> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
| >> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
| >> |> Should things get worse after this,
| >> |> PCR
| >> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
| >>
| >> --
| >> Thanks or Good Luck,
| >> There may be humor in this post, and,
| >> Naturally, you will not sue,
| >> Should things get worse after this,
| >> PCR
| >> pcrrcp@netzero.net
| >>
| >>
| >>
|
|
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Oh yeah...BTDT. I'm actually surprised I managed to live through it.

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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:eAsN88s4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| You two, eh? I started them with a broken first marriage and no prospects
of
| seeing my daughter again soon, and ended them with my third wife and two
| more kids
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:eqJoZps4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| >I don't remember too much from the 1980's Dan. I think I was in the
midst
| > of a decade-long blackout.
|
|
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Curt Christianson wrote:

> They don't make Econolines anymore??

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:

> | It's like asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going
> | to happen. Get over it.

When a 1970 Hemi Cuda goes for over $300k at a Barrett Jackson
auction, I bet Chrysler would love to churn out a few more of those...
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

I'm downright astounded I made it through (of course, the 70s and 90s
weren't much different.) I'm paying for it now, though, in spades!

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MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eCbvpJt4HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Oh yeah...BTDT. I'm actually surprised I managed to live through it.
>
> --
> HTH,
> Curt
>
> Windows Support Center
> www.aumha.org
> Practically Nerded,...
> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:eAsN88s4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | You two, eh? I started them with a broken first marriage and no
> prospects
> of
> | seeing my daughter again soon, and ended them with my third wife and two
> | more kids
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | news:eqJoZps4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | >I don't remember too much from the 1980's Dan. I think I was in the
> midst
> | > of a decade-long blackout.
> |
> |
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

Yeah, they just changed the name. They are now the E-Series. Bad example.
How about the Ranch Wagon, <g>? We called mine "The Tank".

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"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u4X1IIt4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> They don't make Econolines anymore??
>
> --
> HTH,
> Curt
>
> Windows Support Center
> www.aumha.org
> Practically Nerded,...
> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:u7tS0Bt4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | XP has three possible settings. Hide Hidden files, show Hidden files,
> and
> | show "super-hidden" files (Protected Operating System files). I leave
> that
> | last turned of because it makes a lot of things more inconvenient. They
> | often can't be moved or deleted and that makes mass file operations a
> pain..
> |
> | As for XP vs 9x, or the prospects of a new 9x... You realize that you're
> | beating a dead horse, right? Ain't never going to happen unless MS for
> some
> | reason gives away the patent on the 9x kernel and someone else does it.
> | Writing endless paragraphs about it is not going to change the facts
> (and
> | will prompt me to start ignoring your posts again). You could bury MS in
> | suggestion/complaint letters and it still would never happen. It's like
> | asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going to happen. Get over
> it.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | news:095127BA-8FAF-4D3F-8095-CC4D1D45A0C9@microsoft.com...
> | > The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional
> does
> | > it
> | > really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard
> with
> | > 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I
> still
> | > see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in
> terms
> | > of
> | > compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs
> and
> | > uses
> | > old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too
> much
> | > to
> | > get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they
> | > made a
> | > mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better. I
> am
> | > now
> | > using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that
> | > Microsoft
> | > removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some
> of
> | > the
> | > tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have to
> | > format
> | > the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have
> some
> | > valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy more
> on
> | > Ebay
> | > if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in
> it
> | > left
> | > despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11,
> 2006.
> | > 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best
> | > operating
> | > system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second
> choice
> | > after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.
> | >
> | > "PCR" wrote:
> | >
> | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | >> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> | >> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> | >> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
> | >> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
> | >> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
> | >> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
> | >>
> | >> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
> wait
> | >> for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
> | >>
> | >> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely
> run
> | >> | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
> | >> | bootable CD.
> | >>
> | >> BING is good enough for it, then...
> | >>
> | >> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
> | >> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image
> to
> | >> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions
> without
> | >> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
> | >>
> | >> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
> hold
> | >> | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into
> the
> | >> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> | >> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
> | >>
> | >> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some
> day
> | >> anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP &
> the
> | >> secret folders it may create.
> | >>
> | >> | --
> | >> | Gary S. Terhune
> | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | >> | www.grystmill.com
> | >> |
> | >> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | >> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | >> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | >> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> | >> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> | >> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> | >> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> | >> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task.
> If
> | >> |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
> | >> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> | >> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running
> Ghost
> | >> |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a
> CD
> | >> |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
> | >> |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
> | >> |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always
> got
> | >> |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my
> XP
> | >> |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
> | >> |> | (fall-back) purposes.
> | >> |>
> | >> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
> | >> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the
> CD
> | >> |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
> | >> |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
> | >> |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
> | >> |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
> | >> |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
> | >> |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
> | >> |>
> | >> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create
> an
> | >> |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> | >> |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> | >> |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's
> be
> | >> |> | a problem?
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the
> effort
> | >> |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
> | >> |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
> found
> | >> |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
> | >> |>
> | >> |> --
> | >> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> | >> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> | >> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> | >> |> Should things get worse after this,
> | >> |> PCR
> | >> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | >>
> | >> --
> | >> Thanks or Good Luck,
> | >> There may be humor in this post, and,
> | >> Naturally, you will not sue,
> | >> Should things get worse after this,
> | >> PCR
> | >> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> |
> |
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

"Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187459724.767084.121890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> While I would like the USB and other upgraded support options of SE, I
> have been putting off upgrading to SE on an older laptop, because, 1.)
> the FE config is running great & 2.) if anything goes wrong with the
> upgrade, I don't look forward to reinstalling FE with all the fixes.
>
> I don't have an external HDD or a CD burner on the system, so I came
> up with this plan to clone the C: drive:
>
> Remove the HDD from the laptop and install it in a USB external
> enclosure.
>
> Connect the enclosure to my XP system.
>
> Run Ghost to clone the C: drive to an external HDD attached to the XP
> system.
>
> Reinstall HDD in laptop.
>
> Clean install of SE.
>
> I would appreciate knowing if this is doable, if there are any
> 'gotchas' waiting for me along this path, and if there are any other
> helpful hints and advice from the experts that will help me make sure
> I have a clone that can be reloaded by reversing the process and
> restore FE.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
>
> Pointing me to relevent info would also be appreciated.
>

If I were in your shoes, I would be using 2 different 3rd party tools.
Partition Magic 5.0 or greater on floppy, and DriveImage 6.0/2002 on floppy.
Am assuming you have a floppy drive. PM to shrink the 98 partition for some
free space to create another partition. DI to create an image of 98
partition to the new partition as an image file. Wish I could send both to
you... your plans would be so much easier.
Dave
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

No, but I did a topless/ragtop model 2008 T-bird the other day. Even had
the opera windows in the rear sides. Awesome.
Dave

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:u4X1IIt4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> They don't make Econolines anymore??
>
> --
> HTH,
> Curt
>
> Windows Support Center
> www.aumha.org
> Practically Nerded,...
> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:u7tS0Bt4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | XP has three possible settings. Hide Hidden files, show Hidden files,
> and
> | show "super-hidden" files (Protected Operating System files). I leave
> that
> | last turned of because it makes a lot of things more inconvenient. They
> | often can't be moved or deleted and that makes mass file operations a
> pain..
> |
> | As for XP vs 9x, or the prospects of a new 9x... You realize that you're
> | beating a dead horse, right? Ain't never going to happen unless MS for
> some
> | reason gives away the patent on the 9x kernel and someone else does it.
> | Writing endless paragraphs about it is not going to change the facts
> (and
> | will prompt me to start ignoring your posts again). You could bury MS in
> | suggestion/complaint letters and it still would never happen. It's like
> | asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going to happen. Get over
> it.
> |
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | news:095127BA-8FAF-4D3F-8095-CC4D1D45A0C9@microsoft.com...
> | > The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional
> does
> | > it
> | > really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard
> with
> | > 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I
> still
> | > see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in
> terms
> | > of
> | > compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs
> and
> | > uses
> | > old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too
> much
> | > to
> | > get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they
> | > made a
> | > mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better. I
> am
> | > now
> | > using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that
> | > Microsoft
> | > removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some
> of
> | > the
> | > tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have to
> | > format
> | > the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have
> some
> | > valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy more
> on
> | > Ebay
> | > if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in
> it
> | > left
> | > despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11,
> 2006.
> | > 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best
> | > operating
> | > system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second
> choice
> | > after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.
> | >
> | > "PCR" wrote:
> | >
> | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> | >> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> | >> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then
> | >> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want
> | >> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
> | >> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
> | >> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
> | >>
> | >> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
> wait
> | >> for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
> | >>
> | >> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely
> run
> | >> | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
> | >> | bootable CD.
> | >>
> | >> BING is good enough for it, then...
> | >>
> | >> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
> | >> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image
> to
> | >> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions
> without
> | >> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
> | >>
> | >> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
> hold
> | >> | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into
> the
> | >> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
> | >> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
> | >>
> | >> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some
> day
> | >> anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP &
> the
> | >> secret folders it may create.
> | >>
> | >> | --
> | >> | Gary S. Terhune
> | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | >> | www.grystmill.com
> | >> |
> | >> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | >> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | >> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | >> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
> | >> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
> | >> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of
> | >> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy
> | >> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task.
> If
> | >> |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
> | >> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on
> | >> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running
> Ghost
> | >> |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a
> CD
> | >> |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to
> | >> |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
> | >> |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always
> got
> | >> |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my
> XP
> | >> |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup
> | >> |> | (fall-back) purposes.
> | >> |>
> | >> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary
> | >> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the
> CD
> | >> |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the
> | >> |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
> | >> |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine
> | >> |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that!
> | >> |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if
> | >> |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
> | >> |>
> | >> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create
> an
> | >> |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to
> | >> |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98
> | >> |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's
> be
> | >> |> | a problem?
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the
> effort
> | >> |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
> | >> |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
> | >> |> |
> | >> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
> found
> | >> |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
> | >> |>
> | >> |> --
> | >> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> | >> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> | >> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> | >> |> Should things get worse after this,
> | >> |> PCR
> | >> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | >>
> | >> --
> | >> Thanks or Good Luck,
> | >> There may be humor in this post, and,
> | >> Naturally, you will not sue,
> | >> Should things get worse after this,
> | >> PCR
> | >> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>
> |
> |
>
>
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:46C8FBAE.71CC068E@Guy.com...
> Dan wrote:
>
>> I have heard a controller card can allow the OP to get around
>> this barrier but I have not tried it myself.
>
> Win-98 works fine on a 500 gb SATA hard drive (the largest drive I've
> tried so far).

Got Millenium and 98SE on a 250GB SATA hard drive. The tricky part was
getting a pre-XP era boot manager version of system commander to work on it.
Dave
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

I hear ya Gary. I was just thinking I'll bet my ex-wife was glad she bailed
when she did!!

--
HTH,
Curt

Windows Support Center
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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23H$xfUt4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| I'm downright astounded I made it through (of course, the 70s and 90s
| weren't much different.) I'm paying for it now, though, in spades!
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:eCbvpJt4HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > Oh yeah...BTDT. I'm actually surprised I managed to live through it.
| >
| > --
| > HTH,
| > Curt
| >
| > Windows Support Center
| > www.aumha.org
| > Practically Nerded,...
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:eAsN88s4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | You two, eh? I started them with a broken first marriage and no
| > prospects
| > of
| > | seeing my daughter again soon, and ended them with my third wife and
two
| > | more kids
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > | news:eqJoZps4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | >I don't remember too much from the 1980's Dan. I think I was in the
| > midst
| > | > of a decade-long blackout.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade

LOL. Good hearing from you Dave--long time since I've talked to you.

--
HTH,
Curt

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"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
news:OUySjft4HHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| No, but I did a topless/ragtop model 2008 T-bird the other day. Even had
| the opera windows in the rear sides. Awesome.
| Dave
|
| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:u4X1IIt4HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > They don't make Econolines anymore??
| >
| > --
| > HTH,
| > Curt
| >
| > Windows Support Center
| > www.aumha.org
| > Practically Nerded,...
| > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| >
| > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > news:u7tS0Bt4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | XP has three possible settings. Hide Hidden files, show Hidden files,
| > and
| > | show "super-hidden" files (Protected Operating System files). I leave
| > that
| > | last turned of because it makes a lot of things more inconvenient.
They
| > | often can't be moved or deleted and that makes mass file operations a
| > pain..
| > |
| > | As for XP vs 9x, or the prospects of a new 9x... You realize that
you're
| > | beating a dead horse, right? Ain't never going to happen unless MS for
| > some
| > | reason gives away the patent on the 9x kernel and someone else does
it.
| > | Writing endless paragraphs about it is not going to change the facts
| > (and
| > | will prompt me to start ignoring your posts again). You could bury MS
in
| > | suggestion/complaint letters and it still would never happen. It's
like
| > | asking Ford to bring back the Econoline. Never going to happen. Get
over
| > it.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Gary S. Terhune
| > | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | www.grystmill.com
| > |
| > | "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > | news:095127BA-8FAF-4D3F-8095-CC4D1D45A0C9@microsoft.com...
| > | > The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP
Professional
| > does
| > | > it
| > | > really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard
| > with
| > | > 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I
| > still
| > | > see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in
| > terms
| > | > of
| > | > compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs
| > and
| > | > uses
| > | > old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too
| > much
| > | > to
| > | > get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize
they
| > | > made a
| > | > mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better.
I
| > am
| > | > now
| > | > using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that
| > | > Microsoft
| > | > removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some
| > of
| > | > the
| > | > tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have
to
| > | > format
| > | > the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have
| > some
| > | > valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy
more
| > on
| > | > Ebay
| > | > if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in
| > it
| > | > left
| > | > despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11,
| > 2006.
| > | > 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best
| > | > operating
| > | > system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second
| > choice
| > | > after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems.
| > | >
| > | > "PCR" wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| > | >> news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
| > | >> | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD.
Then
| > | >> | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd
want
| > | >> | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo
| > | >> | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of
| > | >> | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
| > | >>
| > | >> Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not
| > wait
| > | >> for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling!
| > | >>
| > | >> | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely
| > run
| > | >> | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a
| > | >> | bootable CD.
| > | >>
| > | >> BING is good enough for it, then...
| > | >>
| > | >> http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup
| > | >> capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or
Image
| > to
| > | >> HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions
| > without
| > | >> data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95.
| > | >>
| > | >> | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to
| > hold
| > | >> | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into
| > the
| > | >> | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the
disk
| > | >> | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
| > | >>
| > | >> I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some
| > day
| > | >> anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP &
| > the
| > | >> secret folders it may create.
| > | >>
| > | >> | --
| > | >> | Gary S. Terhune
| > | >> | MS-MVP Shell/User
| > | >> | www.grystmill.com
| > | >> |
| > | >> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| > | >> | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | >> |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > | >> |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com
| > | >> |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote:
| > | >> |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version
of
| > | >> |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a
legacy
| > | >> |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task.
| > If
| > | >> |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd
| > | >> |> |> recommend BootIt NG.
| > | >> |> |
| > | >> |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard
on
| > | >> |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish).
| > | >> |> |
| > | >> |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running
| > Ghost
| > | >> |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has
a
| > CD
| > | >> |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner
to
| > | >> |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is
| > | >> |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always
| > got
| > | >> |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use
my
| > XP
| > | >> |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for
backup
| > | >> |> | (fall-back) purposes.
| > | >> |>
| > | >> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the
Primary
| > | >> |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the
| > CD
| > | >> |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of
the
| > | >> |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to
| > | >> |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the
XP-machine
| > | >> |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do
that!
| > | >> |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition,
if
| > | >> |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed.
| > | >> |>
| > | >> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to
create
| > an
| > | >> |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have
to
| > | >> |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the
98
| > | >> |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple
CD's
| > be
| > | >> |> | a problem?
| > | >> |> |
| > | >> |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions.
| > | >> |> |
| > | >> |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the
| > effort
| > | >> |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps?
| > | >> |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that.
| > | >> |> |
| > | >> |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've
| > found
| > | >> |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
| > | >> |>
| > | >> |> --
| > | >> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | >> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | >> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | >> |> Should things get worse after this,
| > | >> |> PCR
| > | >> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | >>
| > | >> --
| > | >> Thanks or Good Luck,
| > | >> There may be humor in this post, and,
| > | >> Naturally, you will not sue,
| > | >> Should things get worse after this,
| > | >> PCR
| > | >> pcrrcp@netzero.net
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again,
| sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's
| fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large
| drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be
| EXTREMELY frustrating.
|
| 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run on
the
| 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD.
|
| My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold
| images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the
| equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk
| connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|


Excuse the interruption, and not following down through the extremely long
thread:

One could also use a free program called partition saving, which also
happens to be its web link
Simple DOS based, saves only the used portions OR whatever portions/elements
you want, Can cut the partition into CDROM sized segments..

http://www.partition-saving.com

The one issue might be the external hard drive used for saving the
partition. Saves the potential issues with XP connection.

Though, with careful usage, one could save parts of the partition, burn to
CDROM, delete those parts freeing space for the main program areas and
system. Then burning those to disk, before doing whatever needs done.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
________
 

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