Windows Vista Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

[Mayor of R'lyeh]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:34:18 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>c5kij3tugqbhtvc55nu8sjrhvpibudfi8m@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:22 AM:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:07:25 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>>
>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>
>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>
>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>
>> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
>> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
>> during its run.
>
>I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
>evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all* commercials
>work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always figure out why
>products gain or lose sales.

So this is what you're reduced to? Insisting that people prove
negatives?

 

[Snit]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
b4lij3pjmmioq2fdpiphrgvqgipcctjhtm@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:39 AM:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:34:18 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>> c5kij3tugqbhtvc55nu8sjrhvpibudfi8m@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:22 AM:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:07:25 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
>>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>
>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>
>>> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
>>> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
>>> during its run.
>>
>> I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
>> evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all* commercials
>> work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always figure out why
>> products gain or lose sales.
>
> So this is what you're reduced to? Insisting that people prove
> negatives?

You made an unsupportable and, frankly, rather silly claim. Of course you
cannot prove it, support it, or even suggest why it would be true.


--
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters." - Alan Simpson

 

[Snit]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
23lij3d8povmsott4f6ba05kkjb7l72fdj@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:38 AM:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:32:26 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>> s8kij3lefgkc7iduoko107tllhu515p4s1@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:23 AM:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:56:35 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> stated in post
>>>> OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl on 11/12/07 11:19 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when
>>>>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
>>>>> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
>>>>> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
>>>>> When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it
>>>>> would take three months for the ads to get their
>>>>> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>>>>> advertising.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of psychology studies are done by advertisers to find out what works
>>>> best - there is a *lot* of research in the field. To say there is "zero
>>>> evidence" that they work is just flat out wrong.
>>>
>>> I notice that you seem to be unable to find any.
>>
>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>
> So you've got nuthin'.

Well, other than tons of scholarly research... and common sense. LOL!


--
The answer to the water shortage is to dilute it.

 

[Peter Hayes]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> >>>> A lot of psychology studies are done by advertisers to find out what
> >>>> works best - there is a *lot* of research in the field. To say there
> >>>> is "zero evidence" that they work is just flat out wrong.
> >>>
> >>> I notice that you seem to be unable to find any.
> >>
> >> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
> >
> > So you've got nuthin'.
>
> Well, other than tons of scholarly research... and common sense. LOL!

"The Public Opinion Quarterly" Autumn 1965.

"Journal of Marketing Research" 1993

"Journal of Consumer Research" 1993

and a whole host of other outdated documents.

This is 2007, people ff through ads, edit them out, or chase play.

Either way, television advertising revenue is in serious decline.

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

 

[Peter Hayes]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
> > "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
> > jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
> >
> >> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
> >>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
> >>>
> >>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
> >>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
> >>>>> come on. Most people do.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
> >>>>
> >>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
> >> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
> >
> > So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
> > dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
> > expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
> >
> >
>
>
> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
> When the strike was over they resumed their
> advertising and stated that they figured that it
> would take three months for the ads to get their
> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
> advertising.

That was several years ago, technology has moved on.

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

 

[Peter Hayes]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
> >> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
> >>
> >>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
> >>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
> >>>>
> >>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
> >>>> come on. Most people do.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
> >>>
> >> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
> >
> > Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>
> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.

There's a whole industry built up on tv advertising, they're in a
feedback loop which no one is going to break by suggesting that ads
aren't as effective as they'd like to believe.

Sure, to say tv advertising has zero effect is silly, but few ads have
any direct positive ROI, it's primarily brand awareness they're looking
for. Plus the fear that if their competitir advertises and they don't
they'll lose out.

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

 

[dennis@home]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!



"Snit" <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
news:C35E859F.98FED%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com...
> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>
>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>
>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>
>>
>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>
> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.

They work on some groups of people.. why do you think the Mac ads are at
moron level?
I expect in the UK they take out ads in the Sun.

 

[dennis@home]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!



"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...


> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down because
> the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
> When the strike was over they resumed their advertising and stated that
> they figured that it would take three months for the ads to get their
> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed advertising.

What's bud?

 

[DanS]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!


> Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
> advertising.
> caver1

I would, as Budweiser sucks !

 

[Peter Hayes]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>
> > I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down because
> > the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
> > When the strike was over they resumed their advertising and stated that
> > they figured that it would take three months for the ads to get their
> > sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed advertising.
>
> What's bud?

An alcoholic refreshment, I think...

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

 

[caver1]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Peter Hayes wrote:
> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> wrote:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>>
>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
>> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
>> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
>> When the strike was over they resumed their
>> advertising and stated that they figured that it
>> would take three months for the ads to get their
>> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>> advertising.
>
> That was several years ago, technology has moved on.
>


Just because Tech has moved on doesn't mean human
wants desires and intelligence have.
caver1

 

[caver1]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>
>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down
>> because the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising. Their
>> sales fell. When the strike was over they resumed their advertising
>> and stated that they figured that it would take three months for the
>> ads to get their sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>> advertising.
>
> What's bud?



Sorry. Its an American beverage. Piss water that
masquerades as beer.
caver1

 

[caver1]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Peter Hayes wrote:
> dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down because
>>> the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
>>> When the strike was over they resumed their advertising and stated that
>>> they figured that it would take three months for the ads to get their
>>> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed advertising.
>> What's bud?
>
> An alcoholic refreshment, I think...
>



True alcoholic. Refreshment? That's debatable.
caver1

 

[none]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> wrote:

> Sorry. Its an American beverage. Piss water that
> masquerades as beer.

actually it's a german recipe, named from a Czech town called Ceske
Budejovice, known in Anheuser's native Germany as "Budweis.

http://www.anheuser-busch.com/our_company/timeline.html

 

[Alias]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

caver1 wrote:
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down
>>> because the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising.
>>> Their sales fell. When the strike was over they resumed their
>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it would take three
>>> months for the ads to get their sales back up. Who wudda thunk that
>>> Bud needed advertising.
>>
>> What's bud?
>
>
>
> Sorry. Its an American beverage. Piss water that masquerades as beer.
> caver1

The original Budweiser from the Czech Republic is quite good.

--
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[Bob Campbell]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

In article <a-758D0F.07212013112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@bc.com> wrote:

> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry. Its an American beverage. Piss water that
> > masquerades as beer.
>
> actually it's a german recipe, named from a Czech town called Ceske
> Budejovice, known in Anheuser's native Germany as "Budweis.
>
> http://www.anheuser-busch.com/our_company/timeline.html

Actually, The real Budweiser bears no relation to the American version.
Same name, totally different recipe.

Bob Campbell

 

[none]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

In article <c5kij3tugqbhtvc55nu8sjrhvpibudfi8m@4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:

> >So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
> >dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
> >expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>
> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
> during its run.

kinda like when microsoft used to run commercials for Vista

 

[Steve Carroll]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

In article <C35EA18A.99032%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
> c5kij3tugqbhtvc55nu8sjrhvpibudfi8m@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:22 AM:
>
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:07:25 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
> >> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
> >>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
> >>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
> >>>>>> come on. Most people do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
> >>>>>
> >>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
> >>>
> >>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
> >>
> >> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
> >> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
> >> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
> >
> > Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
> > campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
> > during its run.
>
> I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
> evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all* commercials
> work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always figure out why
> products gain or lose sales.

You essentially just did the same thing you are accusing Clyde of... you
just wrote that "commercials" do "work". Now, after you have thought
about it, you're changing it to reflect the obvious fact that not *all*
commercials work. Clyde could do what you will undoubtedly now do by
arguing that he didn't *really* mean exactly what he wrote and that
you, the reader, should have "known" that.

You will now be the hypocrite you are "known" to be and deny Clyde
something you will take for yourself while pointing fingers at those
that bring attention to it. I look forward to you proving me wrong

 

[Mayor of R'lyeh]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:13:36 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
<mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:47 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>23lij3d8povmsott4f6ba05kkjb7l72fdj@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:38 AM:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:32:26 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>> s8kij3lefgkc7iduoko107tllhu515p4s1@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:23 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:56:35 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> stated in post
>>>>>> OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl on 11/12/07 11:19 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when
>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
>>>>>>> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
>>>>>>> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
>>>>>>> When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it
>>>>>>> would take three months for the ads to get their
>>>>>>> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>>>>>>> advertising.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of psychology studies are done by advertisers to find out what works
>>>>>> best - there is a *lot* of research in the field. To say there is "zero
>>>>>> evidence" that they work is just flat out wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice that you seem to be unable to find any.
>>>>
>>>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>>>
>>> So you've got nuthin'.
>>
>>Well, other than tons of scholarly research... and common sense. LOL!

LOL! Maybe you should actually read some of those things.

 

[Mayor of R'lyeh]

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:14:10 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
<mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:20 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>b4lij3pjmmioq2fdpiphrgvqgipcctjhtm@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:39 AM:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:34:18 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>> c5kij3tugqbhtvc55nu8sjrhvpibudfi8m@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:22 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:07:25 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
>>>>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
>>>>> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
>>>>> during its run.
>>>>
>>>> I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
>>>> evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all* commercials
>>>> work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always figure out why
>>>> products gain or lose sales.
>>>
>>> So this is what you're reduced to? Insisting that people prove
>>> negatives?
>>
>>You made an unsupportable and, frankly, rather silly claim. Of course you
>>cannot prove it, support it, or even suggest why it would be true.

I'm noticing that you're unable to refute it.