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Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Alias wrote:

> caver1 wrote:
>
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down
>>>> because the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising.
>>>> Their sales fell. When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it would take three
>>>> months for the ads to get their sales back up. Who wudda thunk that
>>>> Bud needed advertising.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's bud?

>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry. Its an American beverage. Piss water that masquerades as beer.
>> caver1

>
>
> The original Budweiser from the Czech Republic is quite good.
>




How do you know? You said you didn't drink for medical reasons.
Another one of your lies?
Frank
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
pvijj3ha50kv75i22nt2bnm70k0s5emv3v@4ax.com on 11/13/07 9:08 AM:

>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
>>>>>> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
>>>>>> during its run.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
>>>>> evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all*
>>>>> commercials work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always
>>>>> figure out why products gain or lose sales.
>>>>>
>>>> So this is what you're reduced to? Insisting that people prove negatives?
>>>
>>> You made an unsupportable and, frankly, rather silly claim. Of course you
>>> cannot prove it, support it, or even suggest why it would be true.

>
> I'm noticing that you're unable to refute it.


Well, other than the multitude of scholarly research articles I pointed to,
of course. LOL!

OK, let's get a bit more specific for you. Before I pointed you to this:

<http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>

I assumed you would be able to click on a few of the links and actually
understand them. My mistake. Let me click a few for you:

Link 1 Abstract:

The impact of media sources including televised political
commercials, television news, and newspapers on candidate
issue position knowledge and issue-based candidate
evaluations is explored. From previous research, we expect
that citizens who recall political TV commercials and are
more attentive to newspaper political coverage will have
greater knowledge of candidates' stances on issues than those
watching political news on TV. Citizens recalling political
ads and those reading the newspaper are also expected to be
more likely to evaluate the candidates using substantive
issues. Regression analysis of the 1992 American National
Election Study data. Citizens recalling political advertising
have the most accurate knowledge of the candidates' issue
positions and are the most likely to use domestic and foreign
issues to evaluate the presidential candidates. Consumption
of negative advertising is also associated with greater issue
knowledge and use of issues in evaluations late in the
campaign.

Shows a correlation... not great evidence, but not "zero support", either.

Link 2 Abstract:

Many advertisers have argued that 15-second television
commercials (:15s) should be used only to reinforce effects
created by longer commercials. However, this recommendation
is based on studies that have several weaknesses, including
use of single exposure levels, established commercials, and
learning as the primary dependent variable. The authors
report the findings of a laboratory experiment in which they
compared the effectiveness of :15s and :30s by using novel
commercials with different message appeals (informational vs.
emotional), exposing subjects multiple times, and employing
multiple dependent variables. They find that informational
:15s are as effective as informational :30s in several
situations and can be used as stand-alone units. They also
show that emotional :30s are superior to emotional :15s in
influencing a viewer's learning of brand name and attitude.
The reasons for and the implications of these findings are
considered.

Wait! Talks about studies that have looked into the effects of commercials
and talk about different ones have superior effects on learning "brand name
and attitude".

Well, that is clearly more than "zero support"!

Link 3 Abstract:

Does television advertising produce sales by changing
attitudes? Not always, says Herbert E. Krugman in his
presidential address before the American Association for
Public Opinion Research on May 15, 1965. It may do so, he
states, just by changing perceptions of the product in the
course of merely shifting the relative salience of attitudes,
especially when the purchaser is not particularly involved in
the message. This arresting thesis has important implications
for noncommercial as well as commercial persuasion efforts.

Looks at the reasons *why* commercials work... saying they may work "just by
changing perceptions of the product".

Much better than "zero support".

And on and on... skim, say, the next 5 or 10 on your own. :)




--
The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is
generally employed only by small children and large nations. - David
Friedman
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
8uijj356gsctmikhag4aq6r5tppgseob07@4ax.com on 11/13/07 9:08 AM:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:13:36 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
> <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:47 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>> 23lij3d8povmsott4f6ba05kkjb7l72fdj@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:38 AM:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:32:26 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>> s8kij3lefgkc7iduoko107tllhu515p4s1@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:23 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:56:35 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> stated in post
>>>>>>> OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl on 11/12/07 11:19 PM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when
>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch
>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
>>>>>>>> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
>>>>>>>> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
>>>>>>>> When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>>>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it
>>>>>>>> would take three months for the ads to get their
>>>>>>>> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>>>>>>>> advertising.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A lot of psychology studies are done by advertisers to find out what
>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>> best - there is a *lot* of research in the field. To say there is "zero
>>>>>>> evidence" that they work is just flat out wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice that you seem to be unable to find any.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>>>>
>>>> So you've got nuthin'.
>>>
>>> Well, other than tons of scholarly research... and common sense. LOL!

>
> LOL! Maybe you should actually read some of those things.
>
>

I quoted the first several abstracts for you.


--
One who makes no mistakes, never makes anything.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Peter Hayes" <notinuse2@btinternet.com> stated in post
1i7ig39.rg4igl2lycu9N%notinuse2@btinternet.com on 11/13/07 3:01 AM:

> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> A lot of psychology studies are done by advertisers to find out what
>>>>>> works best - there is a *lot* of research in the field. To say there
>>>>>> is "zero evidence" that they work is just flat out wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice that you seem to be unable to find any.
>>>>
>>>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>>>
>>> So you've got nuthin'.

>>
>> Well, other than tons of scholarly research... and common sense. LOL!

>
> "The Public Opinion Quarterly" Autumn 1965.
>
> "Journal of Marketing Research" 1993
>
> "Journal of Consumer Research" 1993
>
> and a whole host of other outdated documents.
>
> This is 2007, people ff through ads, edit them out, or chase play.
>
> Either way, television advertising revenue is in serious decline.


You are assuming that in 2007 everyone records shows. That is simply not
the case. But if you want newer research:

<http://www.emeraldinsight.com/Insight/viewContentItem.do?contentId=1562886>

Talks about things that reduce the effectiveness. Well, if there was *no*
effectiveness it could not be reduced!

<http://portal.uni-corvinus.hu/fileadmin/user_upload/hu/tanszekek/tarsadalom
tudomanyi/mki/files/221/JARMar2006AdvertisingLikeability.pdf>

Looks at the effects of "likability".

<http://www.people.hbs.edu/aelberse/papers/hbs_05-060.pdf>

"We find that advertising has a positive and statistically significant
effect on expected revenues" ... though perhaps not as much of an effect as
the advertisers wish. :)

And on and on...




--
The answer to the water shortage is to dilute it.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> caver1 wrote:
>>
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down
>>>>> because the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising.
>>>>> Their sales fell. When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it would take three
>>>>> months for the ads to get their sales back up. Who wudda thunk that
>>>>> Bud needed advertising.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's bud?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry. Its an American beverage. Piss water that masquerades as beer.
>>> caver1

>>
>>
>> The original Budweiser from the Czech Republic is quite good.
>>

>
>
>
> How do you know?


I've tried it. Duh!

> You said you didn't drink for medical reasons.
> Another one of your lies?
> Frank


I don't drink *now* due to medical reasons. Before I got this medical
condition, I drank from time-to-time. Your lack of intelligence and
capability to understand logic is raising its ugly head again. Back
then, I had the pleasure of drinking Dom Perignon and I can tell you
that the Rioja years that were best are 58 and 85, both of which I have
had the pleasure of tasting.

--
Alias

To email me, remove shoes
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Peter Hayes" <notinuse2@btinternet.com> stated in post
1i7igqe.1nqachnsmt6kjN%notinuse2@btinternet.com on 11/13/07 3:01 AM:

> Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when commercials
>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>
>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>
>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.

>>
>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.

>
> There's a whole industry built up on tv advertising, they're in a
> feedback loop which no one is going to break by suggesting that ads
> aren't as effective as they'd like to believe.


They might not be *as* effective as corporations believe or as they used to
be... I can buy that... but to say their is "zero support" that commercials
work is just silly - not *all* commercials work, of course, but there is
plenty of evidence to show that, in general, they do.
>
> Sure, to say tv advertising has zero effect is silly, but few ads have
> any direct positive ROI, it's primarily brand awareness they're looking
> for. Plus the fear that if their competitir advertises and they don't
> they'll lose out.


A lot of it is "brand awareness" I believe. No argument here...

--
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> wrote:

> Peter Hayes wrote:
> > caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
> >> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
> >> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
> >> When the strike was over they resumed their
> >> advertising and stated that they figured that it
> >> would take three months for the ads to get their
> >> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
> >> advertising.

> >
> > That was several years ago, technology has moved on.
> >

>
>
> Just because Tech has moved on doesn't mean human
> wants desires and intelligence have.


No, but ways of avoiding ads have.

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:02:40 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>8uijj356gsctmikhag4aq6r5tppgseob07@4ax.com on 11/13/07 9:08 AM:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:13:36 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:47 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>> 23lij3d8povmsott4f6ba05kkjb7l72fdj@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:38 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:32:26 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>> s8kij3lefgkc7iduoko107tllhu515p4s1@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:23 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:56:35 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>> OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl on 11/12/07 11:19 PM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
>>>>>>>>> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
>>>>>>>>> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
>>>>>>>>> When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>>>>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it
>>>>>>>>> would take three months for the ads to get their
>>>>>>>>> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>>>>>>>>> advertising.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A lot of psychology studies are done by advertisers to find out what
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> best - there is a *lot* of research in the field. To say there is "zero
>>>>>>>> evidence" that they work is just flat out wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I notice that you seem to be unable to find any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>>>>>
>>>>> So you've got nuthin'.
>>>>
>>>> Well, other than tons of scholarly research... and common sense. LOL!

>>
>> LOL! Maybe you should actually read some of those things.
>>
>>

>I quoted the first several abstracts for you.

You've quoted nothing.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:02:17 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>pvijj3ha50kv75i22nt2bnm70k0s5emv3v@4ax.com on 11/13/07 9:08 AM:
>
>>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
>>>>>>> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
>>>>>>> during its run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
>>>>>> evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all*
>>>>>> commercials work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always
>>>>>> figure out why products gain or lose sales.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So this is what you're reduced to? Insisting that people prove negatives?
>>>>
>>>> You made an unsupportable and, frankly, rather silly claim. Of course you
>>>> cannot prove it, support it, or even suggest why it would be true.

>>
>> I'm noticing that you're unable to refute it.

>
>Well, other than the multitude of scholarly research articles I pointed to,
>of course. LOL!
>
>OK, let's get a bit more specific for you. Before I pointed you to this:
>
><http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>
>I assumed you would be able to click on a few of the links and actually
>understand them. My mistake. Let me click a few for you:
>
>Link 1 Abstract:
>
> The impact of media sources including televised political
> commercials, television news, and newspapers on candidate
> issue position knowledge and issue-based candidate
> evaluations is explored. From previous research, we expect
> that citizens who recall political TV commercials and are
> more attentive to newspaper political coverage will have
> greater knowledge of candidates' stances on issues than those
> watching political news on TV. Citizens recalling political
> ads and those reading the newspaper are also expected to be
> more likely to evaluate the candidates using substantive
> issues. Regression analysis of the 1992 American National
> Election Study data. Citizens recalling political advertising
> have the most accurate knowledge of the candidates' issue
> positions and are the most likely to use domestic and foreign
> issues to evaluate the presidential candidates. Consumption
> of negative advertising is also associated with greater issue
> knowledge and use of issues in evaluations late in the
> campaign.
>
>Shows a correlation... not great evidence, but not "zero support", either.
>
>Link 2 Abstract:
>
> Many advertisers have argued that 15-second television
> commercials (:15s) should be used only to reinforce effects
> created by longer commercials. However, this recommendation
> is based on studies that have several weaknesses, including
> use of single exposure levels, established commercials, and
> learning as the primary dependent variable. The authors
> report the findings of a laboratory experiment in which they
> compared the effectiveness of :15s and :30s by using novel
> commercials with different message appeals (informational vs.
> emotional), exposing subjects multiple times, and employing
> multiple dependent variables. They find that informational
> :15s are as effective as informational :30s in several
> situations and can be used as stand-alone units. They also
> show that emotional :30s are superior to emotional :15s in
> influencing a viewer's learning of brand name and attitude.
> The reasons for and the implications of these findings are
> considered.
>
>Wait! Talks about studies that have looked into the effects of commercials
>and talk about different ones have superior effects on learning "brand name
>and attitude".
>
>Well, that is clearly more than "zero support"!
>
>Link 3 Abstract:
>
> Does television advertising produce sales by changing
> attitudes? Not always, says Herbert E. Krugman in his
> presidential address before the American Association for
> Public Opinion Research on May 15, 1965. It may do so, he
> states, just by changing perceptions of the product in the
> course of merely shifting the relative salience of attitudes,
> especially when the purchaser is not particularly involved in
> the message. This arresting thesis has important implications
> for noncommercial as well as commercial persuasion efforts.
>
>Looks at the reasons *why* commercials work... saying they may work "just by
>changing perceptions of the product".
>
>Much better than "zero support".
>
>And on and on... skim, say, the next 5 or 10 on your own. :)


This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
show that compuiters help in education.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> caver1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down
>>>>>> because the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising.
>>>>>> Their sales fell. When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it would take three
>>>>>> months for the ads to get their sales back up. Who wudda thunk
>>>>>> that Bud needed advertising.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's bud?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry. Its an American beverage. Piss water that masquerades as beer.
>>>> caver1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The original Budweiser from the Czech Republic is quite good.
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>> How do you know?

>
>
> I've tried it. Duh!
>
>> You said you didn't drink for medical reasons.
>> Another one of your lies?
>> Frank

>
>
> I don't drink *now* due to medical reasons. Before I got this medical
> condition, I drank from time-to-time. Your lack of intelligence and
> capability to understand logic is raising its ugly head again. Back
> then, I had the pleasure of drinking Dom Perignon and I can tell you
> that the Rioja years that were best are 58 and 85, both of which I have
> had the pleasure of tasting.
>


Nice back pedaling mr liar...lol!
Frank
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
2cojj394g8b6t505sslegui0u0qkfuusdt@4ax.com on 11/13/07 10:40 AM:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:02:17 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>> pvijj3ha50kv75i22nt2bnm70k0s5emv3v@4ax.com on 11/13/07 9:08 AM:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
>>>>>>>> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
>>>>>>>> during its run.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
>>>>>>> evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all*
>>>>>>> commercials work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always
>>>>>>> figure out why products gain or lose sales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So this is what you're reduced to? Insisting that people prove negatives?
>>>>>
>>>>> You made an unsupportable and, frankly, rather silly claim. Of course you
>>>>> cannot prove it, support it, or even suggest why it would be true.
>>>
>>> I'm noticing that you're unable to refute it.

>>
>> Well, other than the multitude of scholarly research articles I pointed to,
>> of course. LOL!
>>
>> OK, let's get a bit more specific for you. Before I pointed you to this:
>>
>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>>
>> I assumed you would be able to click on a few of the links and actually
>> understand them. My mistake. Let me click a few for you:
>>
>> Link 1 Abstract:
>>
>> The impact of media sources including televised political
>> commercials, television news, and newspapers on candidate
>> issue position knowledge and issue-based candidate
>> evaluations is explored. From previous research, we expect
>> that citizens who recall political TV commercials and are
>> more attentive to newspaper political coverage will have
>> greater knowledge of candidates' stances on issues than those
>> watching political news on TV. Citizens recalling political
>> ads and those reading the newspaper are also expected to be
>> more likely to evaluate the candidates using substantive
>> issues. Regression analysis of the 1992 American National
>> Election Study data. Citizens recalling political advertising
>> have the most accurate knowledge of the candidates' issue
>> positions and are the most likely to use domestic and foreign
>> issues to evaluate the presidential candidates. Consumption
>> of negative advertising is also associated with greater issue
>> knowledge and use of issues in evaluations late in the
>> campaign.
>>
>> Shows a correlation... not great evidence, but not "zero support", either.
>>
>> Link 2 Abstract:
>>
>> Many advertisers have argued that 15-second television
>> commercials (:15s) should be used only to reinforce effects
>> created by longer commercials. However, this recommendation
>> is based on studies that have several weaknesses, including
>> use of single exposure levels, established commercials, and
>> learning as the primary dependent variable. The authors
>> report the findings of a laboratory experiment in which they
>> compared the effectiveness of :15s and :30s by using novel
>> commercials with different message appeals (informational vs.
>> emotional), exposing subjects multiple times, and employing
>> multiple dependent variables. They find that informational
>> :15s are as effective as informational :30s in several
>> situations and can be used as stand-alone units. They also
>> show that emotional :30s are superior to emotional :15s in
>> influencing a viewer's learning of brand name and attitude.
>> The reasons for and the implications of these findings are
>> considered.
>>
>> Wait! Talks about studies that have looked into the effects of commercials
>> and talk about different ones have superior effects on learning "brand name
>> and attitude".
>>
>> Well, that is clearly more than "zero support"!
>>
>> Link 3 Abstract:
>>
>> Does television advertising produce sales by changing
>> attitudes? Not always, says Herbert E. Krugman in his
>> presidential address before the American Association for
>> Public Opinion Research on May 15, 1965. It may do so, he
>> states, just by changing perceptions of the product in the
>> course of merely shifting the relative salience of attitudes,
>> especially when the purchaser is not particularly involved in
>> the message. This arresting thesis has important implications
>> for noncommercial as well as commercial persuasion efforts.
>>
>> Looks at the reasons *why* commercials work... saying they may work "just by
>> changing perceptions of the product".
>>
>> Much better than "zero support".
>>
>> And on and on... skim, say, the next 5 or 10 on your own. :)

>
> This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
> show that compuiters help in education.


Can you point to his strong support? I have not followed that conversation.

On that topic, though, I have direct experience with computers helping in
education - when used well. Most of the time they are not used well,
though.


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Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
67ojj3p96kvapoq7hhva2tlhv4sipl9b41@4ax.com on 11/13/07 10:37 AM:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:02:40 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>> 8uijj356gsctmikhag4aq6r5tppgseob07@4ax.com on 11/13/07 9:08 AM:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:13:36 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
>>> <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:05:47 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>> 23lij3d8povmsott4f6ba05kkjb7l72fdj@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:38 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:32:26 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>>> s8kij3lefgkc7iduoko107tllhu515p4s1@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:23 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:56:35 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>> OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl on 11/12/07 11:19 PM:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>>>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit
>>>>>>>>>>>> <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>>>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when
>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch
>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch
>>>>>>>>>> had to slow down because the union stuck. They cut
>>>>>>>>>> way back on their advertising. Their sales fell.
>>>>>>>>>> When the strike was over they resumed their
>>>>>>>>>> advertising and stated that they figured that it
>>>>>>>>>> would take three months for the ads to get their
>>>>>>>>>> sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>>>>>>>>>> advertising.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A lot of psychology studies are done by advertisers to find out what
>>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>>> best - there is a *lot* of research in the field. To say there is
>>>>>>>>> "zero
>>>>>>>>> evidence" that they work is just flat out wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I notice that you seem to be unable to find any.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectivenes
>>>>>>> s>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you've got nuthin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, other than tons of scholarly research... and common sense. LOL!
>>>
>>> LOL! Maybe you should actually read some of those things.
>>>
>>>

>> I quoted the first several abstracts for you.

> You've quoted nothing.


Well, other than the first few abstracts, of course. Right?


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Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>2cojj394g8b6t505sslegui0u0qkfuusdt@4ax.com on 11/13/07 10:40 AM:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:02:17 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>> pvijj3ha50kv75i22nt2bnm70k0s5emv3v@4ax.com on 11/13/07 9:08 AM:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>>>>>>>>>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>>>>>>>>>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still its true. Consider that what many consider the 'best' commercial
>>>>>>>>> campaign ever - The California Raisins- saw a decrease in raisin sales
>>>>>>>>> during its run.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like you to support the rather silly idea that there is "zero
>>>>>>>> evidence" that commercials work. That does not mean that *all*
>>>>>>>> commercials work - clearly they do not, nor does it mean you can always
>>>>>>>> figure out why products gain or lose sales.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So this is what you're reduced to? Insisting that people prove negatives?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You made an unsupportable and, frankly, rather silly claim. Of course you
>>>>>> cannot prove it, support it, or even suggest why it would be true.
>>>>
>>>> I'm noticing that you're unable to refute it.
>>>
>>> Well, other than the multitude of scholarly research articles I pointed to,
>>> of course. LOL!
>>>
>>> OK, let's get a bit more specific for you. Before I pointed you to this:
>>>
>>> <http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=commercials+television+effectiveness>
>>>
>>> I assumed you would be able to click on a few of the links and actually
>>> understand them. My mistake. Let me click a few for you:
>>>
>>> Link 1 Abstract:
>>>
>>> The impact of media sources including televised political
>>> commercials, television news, and newspapers on candidate
>>> issue position knowledge and issue-based candidate
>>> evaluations is explored. From previous research, we expect
>>> that citizens who recall political TV commercials and are
>>> more attentive to newspaper political coverage will have
>>> greater knowledge of candidates' stances on issues than those
>>> watching political news on TV. Citizens recalling political
>>> ads and those reading the newspaper are also expected to be
>>> more likely to evaluate the candidates using substantive
>>> issues. Regression analysis of the 1992 American National
>>> Election Study data. Citizens recalling political advertising
>>> have the most accurate knowledge of the candidates' issue
>>> positions and are the most likely to use domestic and foreign
>>> issues to evaluate the presidential candidates. Consumption
>>> of negative advertising is also associated with greater issue
>>> knowledge and use of issues in evaluations late in the
>>> campaign.
>>>
>>> Shows a correlation... not great evidence, but not "zero support", either.
>>>
>>> Link 2 Abstract:
>>>
>>> Many advertisers have argued that 15-second television
>>> commercials (:15s) should be used only to reinforce effects
>>> created by longer commercials. However, this recommendation
>>> is based on studies that have several weaknesses, including
>>> use of single exposure levels, established commercials, and
>>> learning as the primary dependent variable. The authors
>>> report the findings of a laboratory experiment in which they
>>> compared the effectiveness of :15s and :30s by using novel
>>> commercials with different message appeals (informational vs.
>>> emotional), exposing subjects multiple times, and employing
>>> multiple dependent variables. They find that informational
>>> :15s are as effective as informational :30s in several
>>> situations and can be used as stand-alone units. They also
>>> show that emotional :30s are superior to emotional :15s in
>>> influencing a viewer's learning of brand name and attitude.
>>> The reasons for and the implications of these findings are
>>> considered.
>>>
>>> Wait! Talks about studies that have looked into the effects of commercials
>>> and talk about different ones have superior effects on learning "brand name
>>> and attitude".
>>>
>>> Well, that is clearly more than "zero support"!
>>>
>>> Link 3 Abstract:
>>>
>>> Does television advertising produce sales by changing
>>> attitudes? Not always, says Herbert E. Krugman in his
>>> presidential address before the American Association for
>>> Public Opinion Research on May 15, 1965. It may do so, he
>>> states, just by changing perceptions of the product in the
>>> course of merely shifting the relative salience of attitudes,
>>> especially when the purchaser is not particularly involved in
>>> the message. This arresting thesis has important implications
>>> for noncommercial as well as commercial persuasion efforts.
>>>
>>> Looks at the reasons *why* commercials work... saying they may work "just by
>>> changing perceptions of the product".
>>>
>>> Much better than "zero support".
>>>
>>> And on and on... skim, say, the next 5 or 10 on your own. :)

>>
>> This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
>> show that compuiters help in education.

>
>Can you point to his strong support? I have not followed that conversation.

The point is that he has none.

>
>On that topic, though, I have direct experience with computers helping in
>education - when used well. Most of the time they are not used well,
>though.


Like I said before - If you're a teacher then I'm a Chinese abucus
repairman.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

caver1 wrote:
> Snit wrote:
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>> jffij3pohvjkua91djbkvnlvpe6lcu6p6m@4ax.com on 11/12/07 11:02 PM:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:35:11 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tim Murray" <no-spam@thankyou.com> stated in post
>>>> zEa_i.4066$II4.2745@bignews3.bellsouth.net on 11/12/07 10:31 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 12, 2007, Bob Campbell wrote:
>>>>>> No thanks. I don't watch commercials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I watch very little TV. When I do, I switch channels when
>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>> come on. Most people do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Actually they don't. Google the string "most people watch commercials"
>>>>>
>>>> Companies spend a lot of money on commercials... because the work.
>>> Something there's actually zero evidence for.

>>
>> So you think companies spend... what... millions or maybe billions of
>> dollars a year on commercials even though they have no reasonable
>> expectation that they work. Seems... well... unlikely.
>>

>
> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down
> because the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising. Their
> sales fell. When the strike was over they resumed their advertising and
> stated that they figured that it would take three months for the ads to
> get their sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed advertising.
> caver1


Anheuser Busch has excellent roller coasters at Busch Gardens! I can't
say anything about the beer because I don't drink beer.

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Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

dennis@home wrote:

>
>
> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
> news:OqDLO1bJIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>
>> I remember serveral years ago when AnheuserBusch had to slow down
>> because the union stuck. They cut way back on their advertising. Their
>> sales fell. When the strike was over they resumed their advertising
>> and stated that they figured that it would take three months for the
>> ads to get their sales back up. Who wudda thunk that Bud needed
>> advertising.

>
>
> What's bud?


Future urine.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
f1qjj3lrt9cv9duv4i6n3fdfgrski53ic9@4ax.com on 11/13/07 11:08 AM:

>>> This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
>>> show that compuiters help in education.

>>
>> Can you point to his strong support? I have not followed that conversation.

> The point is that he has none.
>
>>
>> On that topic, though, I have direct experience with computers helping in
>> education - when used well. Most of the time they are not used well,
>> though.

>
> Like I said before - If you're a teacher then I'm a Chinese abucus
> repairman.


You sure lie a lot.


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Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:02:15 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
wrote:

>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>f1qjj3lrt9cv9duv4i6n3fdfgrski53ic9@4ax.com on 11/13/07 11:08 AM:
>
>>>> This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
>>>> show that compuiters help in education.
>>>
>>> Can you point to his strong support? I have not followed that conversation.

>> The point is that he has none.
>>
>>>
>>> On that topic, though, I have direct experience with computers helping in
>>> education - when used well. Most of the time they are not used well,
>>> though.

>>
>> Like I said before - If you're a teacher then I'm a Chinese abucus
>> repairman.

>
>You sure lie a lot.


I can't ever recall saying that you were honest, decent or worthwhile.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
u4ujj3tl7ckr3duddolds21uf7pm3fljp8@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:19 PM:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:02:15 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>> f1qjj3lrt9cv9duv4i6n3fdfgrski53ic9@4ax.com on 11/13/07 11:08 AM:
>>
>>>>> This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
>>>>> show that compuiters help in education.
>>>>
>>>> Can you point to his strong support? I have not followed that
>>>> conversation.
>>> The point is that he has none.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On that topic, though, I have direct experience with computers helping in
>>>> education - when used well. Most of the time they are not used well,
>>>> though.
>>>
>>> Like I said before - If you're a teacher then I'm a Chinese abucus
>>> repairman.

>>
>> You sure lie a lot.

>
> I can't ever recall saying that you were honest, decent or worthwhile.


You made a silly claim where you said there is "zero support" for the idea
that commercials are effective. I pointed you to support - which you just
denied existed and then you started lying about me (denying I am a teacher).

What is it with you trolls that when you lose an argument you start making
personal insults and attacks? It is not like you are the only troll who
does so, it is common in CSMA. Just sad.


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Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:07:41 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
<mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:53:59 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>u4ujj3tl7ckr3duddolds21uf7pm3fljp8@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:19 PM:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:02:15 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>> f1qjj3lrt9cv9duv4i6n3fdfgrski53ic9@4ax.com on 11/13/07 11:08 AM:
>>>>
>>>>>>> This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
>>>>>>> show that compuiters help in education.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you point to his strong support? I have not followed that
>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>> The point is that he has none.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On that topic, though, I have direct experience with computers helping in
>>>>>> education - when used well. Most of the time they are not used well,
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I said before - If you're a teacher then I'm a Chinese abucus
>>>>> repairman.
>>>>
>>>> You sure lie a lot.
>>>
>>> I can't ever recall saying that you were honest, decent or worthwhile.

>>
>>You made a silly claim where you said there is "zero support" for the idea
>>that commercials are effective. I pointed you to support - which you just
>>denied existed and then you started lying about me (denying I am a teacher).
>>
>>What is it with you trolls that when you lose an argument you start making
>>personal insults and attacks? It is not like you are the only troll who
>>does so, it is common in CSMA. Just sad.


Go reread what you posted. Its full of 'There may be' and similar
phrases that mean there's no real proof.
 
Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

Re: New Apple Ads - Slams MS Vista in Funny Ways!

"Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
le1kj31pbpuv4m74aa5g6rjt3t0pm9esmc@4ax.com on 11/13/07 1:16 PM:

> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:07:41 -0500, Mayor of R'lyeh
> <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:53:59 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>> u4ujj3tl7ckr3duddolds21uf7pm3fljp8@4ax.com on 11/13/07 12:19 PM:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:02:15 -0700, Snit <CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mayor of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rlyeh@gmail.com> stated in post
>>>>> f1qjj3lrt9cv9duv4i6n3fdfgrski53ic9@4ax.com on 11/13/07 11:08 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is pretty much the same level of 'evidence' that Jim provides to
>>>>>>>> show that compuiters help in education.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you point to his strong support? I have not followed that
>>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>>> The point is that he has none.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On that topic, though, I have direct experience with computers helping
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> education - when used well. Most of the time they are not used well,
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said before - If you're a teacher then I'm a Chinese abucus
>>>>>> repairman.
>>>>>
>>>>> You sure lie a lot.
>>>>
>>>> I can't ever recall saying that you were honest, decent or worthwhile.
>>>
>>> You made a silly claim where you said there is "zero support" for the idea
>>> that commercials are effective. I pointed you to support - which you just
>>> denied existed and then you started lying about me (denying I am a teacher).
>>>
>>> What is it with you trolls that when you lose an argument you start making
>>> personal insults and attacks? It is not like you are the only troll who
>>> does so, it is common in CSMA. Just sad.

>
> Go reread what you posted. Its full of 'There may be' and similar
> phrases that mean there's no real proof.


Which is not at all the same as saying there is "zero support". If you want
to say there is not absolute proof that commercials, in general, have an
influence you *might* be able to make such an argument (nothing in the
physical world can be proved 100% in the way that logical and mathematical
proofs can be). But to say there is "zero support" for the idea that
commercials help sell product is just silly (which is not to say *all*
commercials work!)



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