Windows Vista Linux - Software that doesn't deliver

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Re: Linux - Software that doesn't deliver

"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
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> Yes, Linux has a multitude of versions but many see that as a strength.
> Linux can be tailored for a specific task and that's why there's so many
> "fragments". This same multitude can be ignored by the vast majority of
> users, unless of course you fit into one of it's niche markets.
> Realisticly
> there's only 5 or 6 key flavors, with Ubuntu leading the way for the home
> user.


How do you know which "5 or 6" are the "key flavors"?

> And how are Vista's choice clearly labeled to their target audience?
> "Business" is the only clear one. Basic, Premium and Ultimate...not
> really
> clear, other than that Ultimate sounds "better" than the others. Why do
> they need 4 versions? Why not just two? One for home, one for business?


That's HOME Basic and HOME Premium.

Why not just 1 or 2 Linux flavors? Why do they need hundreds? Or even "5
or 6".

Mike
 
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If you do want to give Linux a try I would recommend Ubuntu. It's by far
the easiest Linux to deal with, that I've seen anyways (PCLinuxOS is
supposed to be quite good too). The Linux forums are not always better than
here, that is, there's "knuckleheads" for both parties (this was one of my
biggest frustrations when I first started playing with Linux, the users in
the forums were very arrogant and had an elitist attitude about them. This
has changed dramatically). I'm not saying it hasn't happened but I did not
see any evidence of this within the Ubuntu forums. Ubuntu is geared for the
home users (ie newbies) and is reflected in the forums. The responses to my
questions were very helpful and quite detailed. There are a lot of users
that could make the switch to Linux and it will do everything they need, but
it's still not a suitable replacement for Windows "power users", IMO. It's
improving in leaps and bounds with every release though, and at the rate MS
releases things it could replace it in a few years :)



Spanky deMonkey wrote:
> Well, Linux, it was fun to see you again, but its time to send you
> back to the hole whence you came.
>
> I thought I would give Linux another try, after 2 years or so away
> from it. So I (stupidly) downloaded Partition Magic and attempted to
> Partition the C drive. Result, Windows wouldn't start anymore. I
> figured, nothing to fear, I have a new copy of Linux. Fedora 7 to be
> exact, on disc and ready to go!
>
> I installed that rascal on the partition I had just created, at the
> expense of windows, and off I went.
>
> My goal was to accomplish 3 things:
> 1. Recover my files from my Windows drive
> 2. Make EVE-Online work in Linux until I got my windows disc again.
> 3. Watch DVDs with Linux, for additional entertainment.
> 4. Play MP3's
>
> Guess what? 48 hours and about 20 dollars later, Linux is 1 for 4. 1
> success, after a while, and 3 miserable, total failures. So I'm going
> to put away my wallet, and go back to Windows XP. I will talk about
> what Linux is good for, and what it is not. Lets start positive, with
> the good:
>
> GOOD THINGS ABOUT LINUX:
> 1. Programming. No doubt about it, unless you cough up some serious
> dough for developer software, Linux uber Windows in the programming
> arena, any day. Programming is what introduced me to Linux in the
> first place, when I took Computational Physics and Programming for
> Engineers. I was an Engineering Physics Major with a Minor in
> Computer Engineering.
>
> 2. Data Manipulation and control. Linux is good at this, I was able
> to force mount my fubar Windows partition and save my documents, and
> I will use Linux one more time when Windows is back up to push my
> documents onto the Windows partition. It was the only benefit Linux
> has provided to me.
>
> 3. None, a lot of people say "low cost". I disagree. Lets talk about
> cost, but I'm going to put it in the failure category.
>
> Failures of Linux:
> 1. Multimedia. I tried to get a DVD player for Linux for 12 straight
> hours. I used Yum, RPMs, Google, Forums, and every other resource I
> could find. To no avail. This leads to me Linux's second failure, and
> probably, one of its greatest.
>
> 2. Support. Actually Linux community, you should take this personally,
> because you are the support. Therefore, YOU FAIL. You and your forums
> and websites, while noble intentions were in your heart, failure
> weighs on your efforts.
>
> In my 12 hour ordeal to find a DVD player, I noticed an interesting
> forum post from a young man, much like me, asking for a 'step by
> step' explanation of EXACTLY how he get a working DVD player in
> linux. 2 Linux knuckleheads replied. The first reply just said, you
> need to use this search engine to find this and that. The second
> reply was, you can use yum, you need a "some vague description" and a
> "some other less vague but still vague description". Well Linux
> community, that's not step by step. Its also not helpful. This is the
> thing that has pissed me off the most. A computer's base language is
> binary, but its instructions are assembly. Assembly tells registers
> where to go, which function to perform, and then where in memory to
> go when the operation is complete. Step by step, who, what, when,
> where, why, how. Linux Community, please learn from your computers,
> especially your assemblers. And stop being so damn vague.
>
> 3. Gaming. Everyone knows this ad nauseum, I downloaded Cedega, paid
> the 15 dollars for access, downloaded the latest ATI Drivers. Does it
> work? Of course not. What's wrong with it? I think its my OpenGL
> drivers, in fact, I'm positive. So I tried to edit my xorg.conf file,
> checked websites forums, ATI website. 12 X crashes and all kinds of
> aticonfigs with Parse Errors later, and I'm done. And what do you
> know, not one damn person in the ENTIRE LINUX WORLD has the
> competence to be able to solve my problem. Not one. I know I'm not
> the only person to have this problem, because others are pleading on
> the forums for help for the same damn problem, and getting vague
> irrelevant answers or answers that are simply questions. See Part 2
> about giving clear instructions. I use my computer to entertain me,
> Linux does not entertain. Linux only shows me how to fail.
>
> 4. Cost. Oh yes, I bet you think I can't form an argument against you
> on this, because Linux is "free" right? WRONG! I earn about 26
> dollars an hour as an entry level engineer. Windows XP cost me, maybe
> $150. That means 6 hours of work, and I have just paid for Windows
> XP. I spent 12 hours trying to download a F***ing DVD Player. I
> probably spent at least 8 to 12 hours on the damn Graphics Card
> problem, which still isn't fixed either. I have WASTED 520 dollars
> worth of my time on trying to 'fix' Linux, because its broken. And
> yes, if it doesn't play my video games or my DVD's or my MP3's it IS
> BROKEN. I have already lost more money than my Windows XP cost me,
> and I still don't have the same amount of functionality.
>
> 5. Delivery. People wonder how the hell Windows thrives and Linux
> kind of survives. Windows costs money, closed source, not as
> flexible. Well, its because Linux DOESN'T DELIVER. PERIOD. Wanna know
> why 90 percent of the world pays for Microsoft and shuns your free
> linux, because I am perfectly happy to PAY MONEY to get what I want,
> as is everyone else. Windows gives me what I want. When I put in a
> DVD, I get to watch a movie. Not search through Forums and Yum to
> download a Xine. When I double click on my video games, I play a
> game, not try to reprogram config files to get the video card to
> work. When I install a Video Card Driver, the only work I have to do
> is double click, and go take a piss while it installs for me. Not
> have to sit there and try to read the manual on ATICONFIG to see if i
> can it to actually do its job.
>
> Its all about delivery folks. Why do I pay to take women out on dates
> and get them all liquored up? Because there is a much better chance
> that woman will deliver what I want. A piece of that ass. I could
> probably find a nice woman, and hang out and be her friend,
> completely free, but then, I would rather pay to get what I want.
>
> So here's what Linux needs to do to make itself competitive:
> Comprehensive, Plug and Play Video Game Support. Installation and
> playability as easy as Windows. Only Linux could probably support game
> console emulation in addition to Windows, Linux could be better than
> windows for gaming.
> Adaptability to an actual customerbase. Like I said before, Windows
> succeeds because it give people what they want, entertainment, not
> heartache. Linux needs to do the same, instead of only responding to
> some dissident anti-social underground movement.
>
> Linux had 2 years or more since I last messed with it to improve.
> Cosmetically, there were some improvements, functionality and ease of
> use. ZERO improvement. Well Linux community, give it another try, you
> keep on editing those config files and trying to get answers on your
> forums. I'm going to get what I want from my computer, even if I have
> to pay for it for the next 2 years. Let me know if you fix it between
> now and then.
 
Re: Linux - Software that doesn't deliver

"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
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>Yes, Linux has a multitude of versions but many see that as a strength.


> And how are Vista's choice clearly labeled to their target audience?
> "Business" is the only clear one. Basic, Premium and Ultimate...not
> really
> clear, other than that Ultimate sounds "better" than the others. Why do
> they need 4 versions? Why not just two? One for home, one for business?



Why do Linux Loonies think that 4 versions of Vista is confusing, but the
"multitude of Linux versions is a strength"?

Nope, no double standards here folks!

Mike
 
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Alias wrote:
> GO wrote:
>>> And, lately, the games originally
>>> made for a console are horrible to play on a PC.

>>
>> You think that too eh? I've actually grown concerned for the future
>> of PC gaming lately. Too many games these days are being released
>> cross-platform, but the PC version seems to be an after thought. I
>> understand why they develop cross-platform as it increases their
>> potential sales, but too many games just don't translate well, or
>> maybe they would if they put a little more effort/thought into it.
>>
>>
>>

>
> Check points are a pain. If I want to save the game seconds before
> certain death, that should be my choice and not have to wait until I
> get to the check point after repeating a hard section twenty times.
> If that doesn't straighten out, I won't have much use for Windows. On
> the bright side, at least you don't have to genuinize to go to the
> next level yet ;-)
>
> Alias


Yeah, check points are a royal pain in the butt. My biggest beef is the
controls. The controls always seem awkward and non-intuitive for games
coming from a console.

> On
> the bright side, at least you don't have to genuinize to go to the
> next level yet ;-)


It's coming. You have heard of Live haven't you? ;) Speaking of Live,
that's something else that concerns me. It might be a good idea on the
consoles but it's something again that doesn't translate well to the PC.
Subscription fees, paying for (simple) content, etc....it's all stuff we
already got included with our games in the first place.
 
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Alias wrote:
> GO wrote:
>
>> There are a lot of users
>> that could make the switch to Linux and it will do everything they
>> need, but it's still not a suitable replacement for Windows "power
>> users", IMO.

>
> This is rapidly changing. For normal, home use, it's ready, willing
> and able.
>
> Alias


I know. Didn't I already say all that? :p The biggest thing holding me
back really is time. I've been using Windows for so long I know it like the
back of my hand. Linux is still so foreign in many respects.
 
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Mike wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
> news:u%23c3%23QlzHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> So, is your logic that Linux must only have one choice? Vista has
>> choices (of sorts), so what's your problem?

>
> The problem is that Linux has hundreds of versions, and they all suck.
> Some are supported for years, some come and go like Top 40 music.
> Pick the wrong one and you are left high and dry after a year or 2.
>
> Vista has 4 choices, each one clearly labeled as to target audience.
> Each one with guaranteed support for years to come from a major,
> respected and well-financed company.
>
> If the Linux Loonies would just standardize on their versions - 1 for
> home, 1 for business etc., Linux might stand a chance. The total
> chaos, fragmentation and duplication of effort that exists now will
> always be the downfall of Linux.
>
> Mike


Yes, Linux has a multitude of versions but many see that as a strength.
Linux can be tailored for a specific task and that's why there's so many
"fragments". This same multitude can be ignored by the vast majority of
users, unless of course you fit into one of it's niche markets. Realisticly
there's only 5 or 6 key flavors, with Ubuntu leading the way for the home
user.

And how are Vista's choice clearly labeled to their target audience?
"Business" is the only clear one. Basic, Premium and Ultimate...not really
clear, other than that Ultimate sounds "better" than the others. Why do
they need 4 versions? Why not just two? One for home, one for business?
 
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Alias wrote:
> GO wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> GO wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are a lot of users
>>>> that could make the switch to Linux and it will do everything they
>>>> need, but it's still not a suitable replacement for Windows "power
>>>> users", IMO.
>>> This is rapidly changing. For normal, home use, it's ready, willing
>>> and able.
>>>
>>> Alias

>>
>> I know. Didn't I already say all that? :p The biggest thing
>> holding me back really is time. I've been using Windows for so long
>> I know it like the back of my hand. Linux is still so foreign in
>> many respects.
>>
>>
>>

>
> I figure Vista will be as much of a learning curve and has carried
> over the some of the same drawbacks of XP as well as its own. The
> great thing with Ubuntu is it's so easy to install so if push comes
> to shove and you regularly back up, restoring all back is fairly
> quick and painless. You can also make an image like with Acronis and
> Windows but I haven't gotten to that yet ;-)
>
> Alias


Agreed. Vista's done very little to impress me so far, so that may
ultimately be the push I need to make the move.
 
Re: Linux - Software that doesn't deliver

Spanky deMonkey wrote:

> Well, Linux, it was fun to see you again, but its time to send you back to
> the hole whence you came.
>

<snip> a lot of senseless drivel.

> Linux had 2 years or more since I last messed with it to improve.
> Cosmetically, there were some improvements, functionality and ease of use.
> ZERO improvement. Well Linux community, give it another try, you keep on
> editing those config files and trying to get answers on your forums. I'm
> going to get what I want from my computer, even if I have to pay for it
> for the next 2 years. Let me know if you fix it between now and then.


You're pretty pathetic. Anyone who starts off by partitioning with PM when
most distros will do that for you when they install, is definitely a
Wintard. Please do stick with Windoze. You deserve to run that old and
pathetic os.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

--
"Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and
sure enough, things got worse.
 
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Mike wrote:

> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
> news:u%23c3%23QlzHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> So, is your logic that Linux must only have one choice? Vista has choices
>> (of sorts), so what's your problem?

>
> The problem is that Linux has hundreds of versions, and they all suck.
> Some are supported for years, some come and go like Top 40 music. Pick
> the wrong one and you are left high and dry after a year or 2.
>

Linux development is proceeding at such a rapid pace that most Linux users
don't want to keep a particular version for more than a year or 2. We love
the innovation that comes out RAPIDLY within the Linux community. So stick
with XP, an OLD and p.o.s. operating system. You won't be missed in the
Linux world, I can assure you. If you feel stupid enough, "upgrade" to
Vista.

> Mike


Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

--
"Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and
sure enough, things got worse.
 
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CB wrote:

> I prefer to pay money for the Windows operating systems, because as you
> pointed out, you get what you pay for.
>
> C.B.


Yep, certainly makes all the malware Windoze scoops up worth more, now that
you've paid for it.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

--
"Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and
sure enough, things got worse.
 
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Mike wrote:
> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:urpf7slzHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> Yes, Linux has a multitude of versions but many see that as a
>> strength. Linux can be tailored for a specific task and that's why
>> there's so many "fragments". This same multitude can be ignored by
>> the vast majority of users, unless of course you fit into one of
>> it's niche markets. Realisticly
>> there's only 5 or 6 key flavors, with Ubuntu leading the way for the
>> home user.

>
> How do you know which "5 or 6" are the "key flavors"?


Same way you learn anything else. Do some research or talk to people.

>> And how are Vista's choice clearly labeled to their target audience?
>> "Business" is the only clear one. Basic, Premium and Ultimate...not
>> really
>> clear, other than that Ultimate sounds "better" than the others.
>> Why do they need 4 versions? Why not just two? One for home, one
>> for business?

>
> That's HOME Basic and HOME Premium.
>
> Why not just 1 or 2 Linux flavors? Why do they need hundreds? Or
> even "5 or 6".
>
> Mike


I thought I already clarified why there are many variations of Linux.
Ultimately it's the nature of the beast. Linux is Open Source which allows
people to freely modify the code. Groups of people get together and want
Linux to do something specific, so it fragments into it's own project. The
vast majority of these Linux-es don't even show up on the radar. The 5 or 6
big players meet the majorty of user's needs. But you're right it does
have it's faults as they do lose focus while they're doing their own thing.
But versions like Ubuntu are trying to remedy that; they have a solid
financial backing and are focusing on the home user.
 
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Mike wrote:
> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:urpf7slzHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Yes, Linux has a multitude of versions but many see that as a
>> strength.

>
>> And how are Vista's choice clearly labeled to their target audience?
>> "Business" is the only clear one. Basic, Premium and Ultimate...not
>> really
>> clear, other than that Ultimate sounds "better" than the others.
>> Why do they need 4 versions? Why not just two? One for home, one
>> for business?

>
>
> Why do Linux Loonies think that 4 versions of Vista is confusing, but
> the "multitude of Linux versions is a strength"?
>
> Nope, no double standards here folks!
>
> Mike


I never said it was confusing. Just wondering why they need 3 home
versions?

And the "multitude of Linux versions is a strength" isn't the strength
(yeah, that's what I said, but not what I meant). It's strength is that
people can customize it to meet their specific needs. Those customized
versions have a big enough demand that they remain as their own version.
 
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Mike wrote:

> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:urpf7slzHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> Yes, Linux has a multitude of versions but many see that as a strength.
>> Linux can be tailored for a specific task and that's why there's so many
>> "fragments". This same multitude can be ignored by the vast majority of
>> users, unless of course you fit into one of it's niche markets.
>> Realisticly
>> there's only 5 or 6 key flavors, with Ubuntu leading the way for the home
>> user.

>
> How do you know which "5 or 6" are the "key flavors"?
>
>> And how are Vista's choice clearly labeled to their target audience?
>> "Business" is the only clear one. Basic, Premium and Ultimate...not
>> really
>> clear, other than that Ultimate sounds "better" than the others. Why do
>> they need 4 versions? Why not just two? One for home, one for business?

>
> That's HOME Basic and HOME Premium.
>
> Why not just 1 or 2 Linux flavors? Why do they need hundreds? Or even
> "5 or 6".
>
> Mike


They don't *need* it you Wintard. The fact is that the operating system is
open source. So anyone, with the knowledge and will, can easily go and
create his/her own distro and put it out for the world to consider. Many of
these distros might be based on an existing one, such as the many now
available that are based on Ubuntu. These other distros do certain things
differently than the way Ubuntu chooses to put out their distro. Some
people appreciate the differences and choose a fork of Ubuntu rather than
Ubuntu. With Linux is all about choice and freedom. If you want to be a
Microsoft serf, then fine, be one. Many of us appreciate the freedom and
innovations that come with the many distros out there.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

--
"Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and
sure enough, things got worse.
 
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I dont understand why u guys sit in here and feud about windows or linux
everyone has a right to there choice of OS. neither one of you guys are
going to change the others mind. Bottom line is no matter how hard the
linux users push it on everyone it isnt going to change the fact of how many
people in the world use windows simply cause of the fact that all the pc's
in the store are running windows (besides for the mac crowd) im simply
stating that it makes no difference how much u guys argue its never going to
change the way things are right now. Untill a corporation with some backing
takes on a linux project to get it installed on pc's that sit in bestbuy its
not going to take over the market. What did however interest me is that you
can order dell computers with linux preinstalled. Maybe there is also
others. I run windows primarily but i have virtual pc with about 4 linux
distros installed and play around with them regularly. Linux does not cover
my needs in every aspect but nor does windows hence why i even have the
virtual pc set up. so quit arguing and bickering about what ones better and
come to reality you will like what you like and they will like what they
like it will never change.





"Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1185333055.595258@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
> Spanky deMonkey wrote:
>
>> Well, Linux, it was fun to see you again, but its time to send you back
>> to
>> the hole whence you came.
>>

> <snip> a lot of senseless drivel.
>
>> Linux had 2 years or more since I last messed with it to improve.
>> Cosmetically, there were some improvements, functionality and ease of
>> use.
>> ZERO improvement. Well Linux community, give it another try, you keep on
>> editing those config files and trying to get answers on your forums. I'm
>> going to get what I want from my computer, even if I have to pay for it
>> for the next 2 years. Let me know if you fix it between now and then.

>
> You're pretty pathetic. Anyone who starts off by partitioning with PM when
> most distros will do that for you when they install, is definitely a
> Wintard. Please do stick with Windoze. You deserve to run that old and
> pathetic os.
>
> Shake Hands With,
> Mr. Happy
>
> --
> "Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and
> sure enough, things got worse.
>
>
 
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Mr. Happy wrote:

>>

>
> Linux development is proceeding at such a rapid pace that most Linux users
> don't want to keep a particular version for more than a year or 2. We love
> the innovation that comes out RAPIDLY within the Linux community. So stick
> with XP, an OLD and p.o.s. operating system. You won't be missed in the
> Linux world, I can assure you. If you feel stupid enough, "upgrade" to
> Vista.
>

Yeah, that guy in his garage in Germany is just burning the midnight oil
cranking out worthless toy os's for linturds like you to eat and enjoy
every 6 moths...wow...hahahah...lol!
Right, doris?
Frank
 
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<snip>
> GOOD THINGS ABOUT LINUX:

<snip>

Yes, there are good things about nix...

<snip>
> Failures of Linux:

<snip>

Yes, there are places where nix fails...

From my perspective, which maps very much to your perspective, nix
requires -too much time- of it's user to get things working as expected. I'm
playing around with Ubuntu 7.04 right now. There appears to be pretty good
support in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, but, like here, depends on who responds to
one's queries. No doubt my view is slanted by being one of those folks who,
pretty much, has no problems with Vista. Sure, I've got my one or two nits
that I don't like about Vista, but, generally, I'm a happy camper.

All that said... ultimately, no pun intended, one must spend a fair amount
of time learning nix's different way of doing things. If one is willing to
invest the time, from what I've read, there are few things that nix won't do
that Windows can. Can't comment on the gaming aspect... not a gamer. But if
one is a gamer, and that support happens to be, in fact, one of the major
deficiencies of nix, then, no doubt, I can see that as being a major road
block to moving to nix as a desktop replacement for Windows.

Like yourself, I like to keep an open mind on nix and dip my toes into the
nix pool every couple of years, just to see how things are progressing. I
think some folks may take your indictment of nix as an indication that
you're closed minded. Well... you never would have come to the conclusions
you did, without having attempted using a nix distro. Whether you invested
as much time as nix fans might deem appropriate, is beyond me. No doubt this
thread will generate plenty of replies from that camp, given the number of
nix aficionados who hang out in this ng.

Thanks for the detailed post; appreciated!

Lang
 
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Crusher wrote:
> Installed Vista myself...bought linux at Best Buy in a box,did not
> download it.


Vista doesn't "work out of the box". You need to add Java, Flash, Adobe
Reader (or some substitute), your programs, updates, etc. You also have
to know what to look for and what to look for. With Ubuntu, everything
comes from the same place.

Which flavor of Linux?

Alias
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
> news:e1aCmplzHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Crusher wrote:
>>> You shoudnt have to know anything, in my case it should..."JUST WORK
>>> OUTTA THE BOX"

>>
>> Software comes on a CD/DVD/Download. Do you install Windows yourself
>> or take a pre-installed computer out of the box?
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>> "ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
>>> news:f867an$ksg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Have you ever tried linux installed by someone that knows a little
>>>> about
>>>> computers?
>>>>
>>>> course not...
>>>

>
 
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"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
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> Crusher wrote:
>> Installed Vista myself...bought linux at Best Buy in a box,did not
>> download it.

>
> Vista doesn't "work out of the box". You need to add Java,


Only if you want to run Java apps. I don't so I don't need the Java
baggage.

>Flash,


Only if you want to see animated ads on every web page you look at. I
don't so I don't need Flash either.

> Adobe > Reader (or some substitute),


Acrobat reader 5. A 30 second install.

> your programs, updates, etc. You also have to know what to look for and
> what to look for. With Ubuntu, everything comes from the same place.


So "your programs" come with Linux?

Mike
 
Re: Linux - Software that doesn't deliver

Mike wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
> news:%23uDXP1qzHHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Crusher wrote:
>>> Installed Vista myself...bought linux at Best Buy in a box,did not
>>> download it.

>>
>> Vista doesn't "work out of the box". You need to add Java,

>
> Only if you want to run Java apps. I don't so I don't need the Java
> baggage.


Your choice. My point was you need to go to different places to get what
you want with Vista and, with Ubuntu, you don't.
>
>> Flash,

>
> Only if you want to see animated ads on every web page you look at. I
> don't so I don't need Flash either.


No You Tube for you then. Gosh, how can you live without seeing Steve
Ballmer do his little jig?

>
>> Adobe > Reader (or some substitute),

>
> Acrobat reader 5. A 30 second install.


8 is out now. Better rush over to Adobe and get it.

>
>> your programs, updates, etc. You also have to know what to look for
>> and what to look for. With Ubuntu, everything comes from the same place.

>
> So "your programs" come with Linux?
>
> Mike


All the programs I need come with Ubuntu and Automatix2. What I don't
need and you do are anti virus and anti malware programs. With a hard
firewall router, I don't need a soft firewall either. I also don't need
the WPA and WGA programs.

Alias
 
Re: Linux - Software that doesn't deliver

GO wrote:
>> And, lately, the games originally
>> made for a console are horrible to play on a PC.

>
> You think that too eh? I've actually grown concerned for the future of PC
> gaming lately. Too many games these days are being released cross-platform,
> but the PC version seems to be an after thought. I understand why they
> develop cross-platform as it increases their potential sales, but too many
> games just don't translate well, or maybe they would if they put a little
> more effort/thought into it.
>


Yes, the field of PC gaming is dying. It's sad, I'm sure gonna miss it
one day. When my son was very young, he wanted gameboys and Nintendos
and all that stuff just like his friends had. But I saved my money and
bought him a computer instead. Now 10 years later he's loves PC gaming,
but also does all kinds of other cool stuff on his machine like movies,
stop motion animation, authors music, science stuff (he has a USB
microscope and telescope), websites, etc. And he doesn't really like
game consoles, he says they are boring because all you can do is play
games.

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