Re: Linux - Software that doesn't deliver
"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message
news:YcmdnfG6s4FPEjXbnZ2dnUVZ8sjinZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:35:51 -0400, Frank Bright wrote:
>
>> "Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0494211B-0B41-4CCD-A6C1-565D4D7B76CF@microsoft.com...
>>> <snip>
>>>> GOOD THINGS ABOUT LINUX:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Yes, there are good things about nix...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> Failures of Linux:
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Yes, there are places where nix fails...
>>>
>>> From my perspective, which maps very much to your perspective, nix
>>> requires -too much time- of it's user to get things working as expected.
>>> I'm playing around with Ubuntu 7.04 right now. There appears to be
>>> pretty
>>> good support in alt.os.linux.ubuntu, but, like here, depends on who
>>> responds to one's queries. No doubt my view is slanted by being one of
>>> those folks who, pretty much, has no problems with Vista. Sure, I've got
>>> my one or two nits that I don't like about Vista, but, generally, I'm a
>>> happy camper.
>>>
>>> All that said... ultimately, no pun intended, one must spend a fair
>>> amount
>>> of time learning nix's different way of doing things. If one is willing
>>> to
>>> invest the time, from what I've read, there are few things that nix
>>> won't
>>> do that Windows can. Can't comment on the gaming aspect... not a gamer.
>>> But if one is a gamer, and that support happens to be, in fact, one of
>>> the
>>> major deficiencies of nix, then, no doubt, I can see that as being a
>>> major
>>> road block to moving to nix as a desktop replacement for Windows.
>>>
>>> Like yourself, I like to keep an open mind on nix and dip my toes into
>>> the
>>> nix pool every couple of years, just to see how things are progressing.
>>> I
>>> think some folks may take your indictment of nix as an indication that
>>> you're closed minded. Well... you never would have come to the
>>> conclusions
>>> you did, without having attempted using a nix distro. Whether you
>>> invested
>>> as much time as nix fans might deem appropriate, is beyond me. No doubt
>>> this thread will generate plenty of replies from that camp, given the
>>> number of nix aficionados who hang out in this ng.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the detailed post; appreciated!
>>>
>>> Lang
>>
>> I'm a technological agnostic, so I go for what works and runs well. I am
>> a
>> dual-booter. (Vista/Mandriva & XP/Ubuntu Studio) That said, I do identify
>> with the author of this forum, although I won't get into dismissing Linux
>> the way he seems to do. I try to keep an open mind, so...
>>
>> I've been fooling around with Linux for 3 to 4 months now. Ubuntu IS easy
>> and I've learned a lot from it. And while I am grateful to Ubuntu for
>> helping me enter the Linux world, I must say this in all honesty: Ubuntu
>> is
>> UgLy!! (Studio is a lot better) Please, get a web designer in here fast,
>> a
>> color coordinator, anything !! And for those who love the 'Eye Candy'
>> argument, since when do people NOT care how their OS looks and operates?
>> It
>> IS important, especially if I'm staring at it for 2+ hours a day. Sure, I
>> can customize my desktop in Ubuntu Feisty, but there's only so far one
>> can
>> go unless you use Compiz or Beryl, and that software is still very much
>> in
>> the beta phase.
>
> Beryl actually works very well on a standard setup. It gets a bit
> difficult though with my dual screen setup at home, which will be
> addressed with the next major version release though.
>
> That said, I personally find Ubuntu Studio to be absolutely hideous! I
> think it's tough to make a UI uglier than Ubuntu Studio. Seriously....it's
> way way way way way too dark. I have it running on my laptop and I don't
> even wanna look at it for more than half an hour at the most.
>
> User interfaces are very dependent on perspective. What I find ugly you
> find great looking for example. =)
>
> No single UI will ever please everyone. That's though the nice thing about
> linux that you *can* choose the UI you like! Unlike windows where you
> either like MS' latest or are pretty much screwed if you don't.
>
>>
>> I believe the predicament of Linux is not entirely Linux's fault - in
>> other
>> words, combine an Open Source Philosophy with a free market and mix in
>> intellectual property and stock shareholders and you get Linux's
>> justified
>> feeling of alienation from a market that only cooperates when it has
>> profits
>> coming in as a result. As a result, most hardware developers have no
>> interests in sharing vital information with driver developers in the
>> Linux
>> community. So developers must sometimes work backwards to develop
>> drivers
>> for Linux and that takes ......time.
>>
>> That said, Linux has a long way to go to satisfy my needs as a
>> professional.
>> I'm a professional musician/publisher and so I use many different
>> functions
>> that cater to musicians/publishers. And the nature of technology is to be
>> on
>> the cutting edge, to offer things that one has Not been able to do
>> before.
>> Here are some of my functions that Linux as yet cannot supply:
>>
>> 1) I use Finale to do music notation and write charts on my computer.
>> I've
>> tried to get Finale/Midi configured for this in Ubuntu Fesity and others
>> have as well. We have not found any solutions thus far. There ARE music
>> notation programs for Ubuntu, but they look cheesy and amateurish in
>> comparison to Finale. Charts ARE about looks and presentation, and anyone
>> who claims that other music notation programs can come close to doing
>> what
>> Finale does simply does not know what they are talking about.
>>
>> 2) I use my computer for Pro Audio and use Sonar 6 Producer Edition on
>> XP.
>> Linux has Ardour 2.0 which looks impressive. But the quality of plugins
>> cannot even come close to what I get with my Waves Audio Plugins, which
>> are
>> used by many professionals in the business. I have tinkered with Ardour
>> and
>> found that I'd be searching the web night and day to find half-way
>> suitable
>> plugins, and even then I question that. I hold a little bit of a grudge
>> against the author of Ardour because I made a generous donation and got
>> no
>> thank you whatsoever - no acknowledgement of my gift or anything. And
>> yes, I
>> wrote him about that directly. I don't care who you are. One should say
>> 'Thank You' when they receive a gift.
>
> Can't comment on that. Not something I do. The only music instrument I can
> play is my CD player. =)
>
>>
>> Open Office did say 'Thank You' to me and for that, they will probably
>> receive more money from me in the future.
>>
>> 3) I do OnCD printing for many of my projects. Turboprint for Linux
>> actually
>> supplies this driver now and I bought it as well. However, I asked
>> Turboprint what program to use here (thinking templates etc) and they
>> could
>> only suggest Gimp and Open Draw. With no templates I'd be shooting in the
>> dark for half a day and wasting CDs in order get the printing aligned
>> right, not to mention lack of color/resolution control.
>>
>> 4) Turboprint recently completed making the driver for my Epson RX580,
>> but
>> as yet they cannot support the scanner function of this Epson model.
>> While I
>> AM grateful that they have made a driver for this (I bought it
>> remember?),
>> supporting half a product is kind of typical in Linux.
>
> But here I have to quote the Vista fanbois. It's a driver and manufacturer
> issue, not an operating system issue as they didn't implement the scanner
> functionality in their driver.
>
>>
>> 5) I can get Flash MX to work in Linux through CrossOver but my project
>> is
>> more advanced and requires at least Flash Studio MX 2004. That version
>> will
>> not run on CrossOver, nor will other, more recent versions.
>>
>> I really could add more but I hope my point comes through. I really do
>> like
>> Linux and for the record, I think Mandriva is just as easy as Ubuntu
>> Feisty
>> to use and is a LOT better looking. I dual-boot with Vista/Mandriva on my
>> desktop at this point, although I did have to relocate my modem and go in
>> wired to the internet as a result. I have yet to get my wireless Linksys
>> WMP300N to work with Mandriva (or Ubuntu for that matter).
>
> Thanks for your post, very nice to have a civil discussion with someone
> about stuff like this! And you know, like I said above, that's the great
> thing as far as Linux goes. You have a choice! You prefer Mandriva over
> Ubuntu so use Mandriva. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. =)
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君のこと忘れたときがないから
Hi, I thought this reply went thru yesterday but it apparently did not.
I put in some qualifiers:
1) I looked into it more thoroughly and I stand corrected. Open Office
Drawer DOES have OnCD Printing templates,
so I may yet give this a try. They are in the Turboprint /doc folder.
2) I wanted to add that the WHOLE Macromedia Studio MX (NOT Studio MX 2004)
works well thru CrossOver on Linux.
Many Thanks, Frank B.
