Windows Vista Trolls and MVPs?

[Julian]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?



"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>>>
>>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these
>>>>> >> MVPs
>>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>>>
>>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could have fooled me.
>>>>
>>>>Easier done than said.
>>>>
>>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>>>
>>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
>>> about.
>>>
>>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>>
>>Get lost creep.
>
> Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I
> said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish
> of you don't you think?

I don't owe you anything.

 

[DanS]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
news:OTwQ4jS0HHA.4236@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent
> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.
>
> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial"
> representatives of the company and they can aquire certain information
> that are not available to the general public, plus some of them even
> put "Microsoft Most Valuable Professional" as the title.
>
> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal
> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

I was aware that MVPs do not officially represent MS, but I still think a
professional manner, attitude, and posting content should be the way to go,
regardless of the content of non-MVP posts.

*Proffessional* is the key word here.

I'm sure you've seen many posts from people (generally from GG or MS
Communities web interface) that think MVPs are member's of MS, and that
they get paid to answer questions here. Of course they don't, but the
impression to the general public is that they do represent MS.

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:13:51 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:k6ena31q1mh195s74ch8mf5j0t6vt7hqh2@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these
>>>>>> >> MVPs
>>>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could have fooled me.
>>>>>
>>>>>Easier done than said.
>>>>>
>>>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>>>>
>>>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>>>
>>>Get lost creep.
>>
>> Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I
>> said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish
>> of you don't you think?
>
>I don't owe you anything.

I didn't ask you for anything. You hear voices in your head?

 

[Julian]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?



"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 00:13:51 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:k6ena31q1mh195s74ch8mf5j0t6vt7hqh2@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these
>>>>>>> >> MVPs
>>>>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could have fooled me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Easier done than said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>>>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>>>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>>>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
>>>>> about.
>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>>>>
>>>>Get lost creep.
>>>
>>> Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I
>>> said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish
>>> of you don't you think?
>>
>>I don't owe you anything.
>
> I didn't ask you for anything.

You asked for my opinion... "don't you think?"

You really should cut down on the booze.
You're brain is shot already but think of your liver.
Liver failure is a particularly nasty way to go.

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

> *Proffessional* is the key word here.

Yes, and that's the reason for my initial comment.

>Of course they don't, but the
> impression to the general public is that they do represent MS.

The impression is not without reasons.

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns997BC7B1AF558thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
> news:OTwQ4jS0HHA.4236@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>
>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent
>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.
>>
>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial"
>> representatives of the company and they can aquire certain information
>> that are not available to the general public, plus some of them even
>> put "Microsoft Most Valuable Professional" as the title.
>>
>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal
>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.
>
> I was aware that MVPs do not officially represent MS, but I still think a
> professional manner, attitude, and posting content should be the way to
> go,
> regardless of the content of non-MVP posts.
>
> *Proffessional* is the key word here.
>
> I'm sure you've seen many posts from people (generally from GG or MS
> Communities web interface) that think MVPs are member's of MS, and that
> they get paid to answer questions here. Of course they don't, but the
> impression to the general public is that they do represent MS.
>
>

 

[Bob]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

However all the servers will still sync there messages with the original
source at Microsoft.
Therefore Microsoft who originally created the newsgroup would still be
considered the "owner"


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:slcna31031cavfbmbtodd5ha1235hq1mv8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:33:30 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:
>
>>Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say
>>Microsoft
>>owns the Usenet.
>
> Still wrong. You can't own a newsgroup. Period. You, me, Microsoft,
> anyone, even our pal and everyone's favorite troll Frankie can quickly
> and easily create a new newsgroup. How to create one is all over the
> web.
>
> Once created UNLESS restricted access meaning they are only accessible
> from ONE news server then once created ALL newsgroups part of Usenet
> can be and are carried by any news service provider or ISP that wants
> to carry them. Therefore they become part of the public domain, nobody
> owns or controls them.
>
> If you want some history, here it is...
>
> Once upon a time Microsoft REQUIRED that anyone wishing to access any
> of their now more than 2,000+ groups had to access them from one of
> their news servers. Then what you said would be valid. No more.
>
> Several years ago, I forget exactly when or who, but one of the major
> Usenet backbone providers STOLE Microsoft's feed. If or not Microsoft
> liked that I don't know or care. What happened very quickly was once
> one provider picked up the Microsoft feed every news server provider
> that peered with this original provider then had the option of
> carrying all or some of the Microsoft groups just like they have the
> option to pick and choose what other newsgroups they carry.
>
> Many did elect to carry all the Microsoft newsgroups as a public
> service to their customers and Microsoft while they may not have liked
> their feed getting "stolen" out from under them didn't do anything
> about it and you see what we have now. Anybody, anywhere on the planet
> can access THIS and any other Microsoft newsgroup IF whoever they get
> their Usenet feed from provides it.
>
> Clearly you can now see the ownership point has no meaning. At least I
> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.
>

 

[huwyngr]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

In article <e4VhEeK0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, Spanky deMonkey
wrote:

> You are an idiot pure and simple

And that is not insulting? How does it reduce or stop noise?

 

[Spanky deMonkey]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

It is insulting. I meant to insult him because he is an IDIOT. It doesn't
reduce or stop noise. Wasn't meant to. I am calling him an idiot because
he posts like an idiot.

Any questions?


"huwyngr" <Hugh_Wyn_Griffith@simpilot.net> wrote in message
news:VA.000004b8.0023cd48@unspam.tampabay.rr.com...
> In article <e4VhEeK0HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, Spanky deMonkey
> wrote:
>
>> You are an idiot pure and simple
>
> And that is not insulting? How does it reduce or stop noise?
>
>

 

[Darvy Daniels]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:42:14 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"
> <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> thank you for clearing this up.
>>
>>> [...] At least I
>>> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.
>> This sounds a little offensive, if I may say.
>
> Doesn't ANYBODY have a sense of humor?
>
>

Huh?

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:49:57 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>However all the servers will still sync there messages with the original
>source at Microsoft.
>Therefore Microsoft who originally created the newsgroup would still be
>considered the "owner"

Give it up with you guys. Were talking a newsgroup, it isn't property,
hell man it doesn't even physically exist. I NEVER saw a bigger bunch
of babies that even when proven wrong beyond all doubt instead of
admitting you were wrong will go on and on pretending they weren't.
What a bunch of losers!
>
>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:slcna31031cavfbmbtodd5ha1235hq1mv8@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:33:30 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:
>>
>>>Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say
>>>Microsoft
>>>owns the Usenet.
>>
>> Still wrong. You can't own a newsgroup. Period. You, me, Microsoft,
>> anyone, even our pal and everyone's favorite troll Frankie can quickly
>> and easily create a new newsgroup. How to create one is all over the
>> web.
>>
>> Once created UNLESS restricted access meaning they are only accessible
>> from ONE news server then once created ALL newsgroups part of Usenet
>> can be and are carried by any news service provider or ISP that wants
>> to carry them. Therefore they become part of the public domain, nobody
>> owns or controls them.
>>
>> If you want some history, here it is...
>>
>> Once upon a time Microsoft REQUIRED that anyone wishing to access any
>> of their now more than 2,000+ groups had to access them from one of
>> their news servers. Then what you said would be valid. No more.
>>
>> Several years ago, I forget exactly when or who, but one of the major
>> Usenet backbone providers STOLE Microsoft's feed. If or not Microsoft
>> liked that I don't know or care. What happened very quickly was once
>> one provider picked up the Microsoft feed every news server provider
>> that peered with this original provider then had the option of
>> carrying all or some of the Microsoft groups just like they have the
>> option to pick and choose what other newsgroups they carry.
>>
>> Many did elect to carry all the Microsoft newsgroups as a public
>> service to their customers and Microsoft while they may not have liked
>> their feed getting "stolen" out from under them didn't do anything
>> about it and you see what we have now. Anybody, anywhere on the planet
>> can access THIS and any other Microsoft newsgroup IF whoever they get
>> their Usenet feed from provides it.
>>
>> Clearly you can now see the ownership point has no meaning. At least I
>> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.
>>

 

[Bob]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Well I guess you would rather just stomp you feet and rant rather then
explain you point.
Time to add you to my kill file. Maybe if you would read sometime you might
learn something.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:tt0oa3dg8qlpoo3lcletm29g3c9nr6ckp5@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:49:57 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:
>
>>However all the servers will still sync there messages with the original
>>source at Microsoft.
>>Therefore Microsoft who originally created the newsgroup would still be
>>considered the "owner"
>
> Give it up with you guys. Were talking a newsgroup, it isn't property,
> hell man it doesn't even physically exist. I NEVER saw a bigger bunch
> of babies that even when proven wrong beyond all doubt instead of
> admitting you were wrong will go on and on pretending they weren't.
> What a bunch of losers!
>>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:slcna31031cavfbmbtodd5ha1235hq1mv8@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:33:30 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say
>>>>Microsoft
>>>>owns the Usenet.
>>>
>>> Still wrong. You can't own a newsgroup. Period. You, me, Microsoft,
>>> anyone, even our pal and everyone's favorite troll Frankie can quickly
>>> and easily create a new newsgroup. How to create one is all over the
>>> web.
>>>
>>> Once created UNLESS restricted access meaning they are only accessible
>>> from ONE news server then once created ALL newsgroups part of Usenet
>>> can be and are carried by any news service provider or ISP that wants
>>> to carry them. Therefore they become part of the public domain, nobody
>>> owns or controls them.
>>>
>>> If you want some history, here it is...
>>>
>>> Once upon a time Microsoft REQUIRED that anyone wishing to access any
>>> of their now more than 2,000+ groups had to access them from one of
>>> their news servers. Then what you said would be valid. No more.
>>>
>>> Several years ago, I forget exactly when or who, but one of the major
>>> Usenet backbone providers STOLE Microsoft's feed. If or not Microsoft
>>> liked that I don't know or care. What happened very quickly was once
>>> one provider picked up the Microsoft feed every news server provider
>>> that peered with this original provider then had the option of
>>> carrying all or some of the Microsoft groups just like they have the
>>> option to pick and choose what other newsgroups they carry.
>>>
>>> Many did elect to carry all the Microsoft newsgroups as a public
>>> service to their customers and Microsoft while they may not have liked
>>> their feed getting "stolen" out from under them didn't do anything
>>> about it and you see what we have now. Anybody, anywhere on the planet
>>> can access THIS and any other Microsoft newsgroup IF whoever they get
>>> their Usenet feed from provides it.
>>>
>>> Clearly you can now see the ownership point has no meaning. At least I
>>> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.
>>>
>

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:33:04 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>Well I guess you would rather just stomp you feet and rant rather then
>explain you point.

If you still can't understand what I explained what does that suggest
about your intelligence?

>Time to add you to my kill file. Maybe if you would read sometime you might
>learn something.

Bozos that need to announce they put people in their kill file are the
lamest of all posters and confirm they are really operating at the
mental capacity of a ten year old. PLEASE put me in your kill file, I
couldn't care less. One less dummy I won't have to correct when he
makes factual errors.

 

[Gary]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Its not a many to many type of system its a many to one. All servers tied
into the Microsoft news feed sync there messages back to the original news
servers. Then all other servers pick up the new messages from the Microsoft
news feed.

If it was a many to many system each server hosting the feed would have to
sync new messages to all other servers hosting the feed. It just doesn't
work that way. This is what I was trying to explain to Adam before he went
off in a huff.

"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:uiL6rRZ0HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> He did explain his point, and I understood it at least. If these groups
> were only accessible via MS's own servers then yes, MS would own them.
> Now
> that it's part of Usenet, it is part of the Usenet network where there is
> no
> central server or owner. The messages will get synched with all servers
> hosting that particular group. MS can moderate the messages that appear
> on
> it's servers but it has no bearing on other Usenet servers that carry the
> MS
> groups.
>
>
>

 

[Bob]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Refreshing to see someone who understands how it works.


"Gary" <Gary@NoSpam.california.usa> wrote in message
news:utYG3XZ0HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Its not a many to many type of system its a many to one. All servers tied
> into the Microsoft news feed sync there messages back to the original news
> servers. Then all other servers pick up the new messages from the
> Microsoft news feed.
>
> If it was a many to many system each server hosting the feed would have to
> sync new messages to all other servers hosting the feed. It just doesn't
> work that way. This is what I was trying to explain to Adam before he went
> off in a huff.
>
> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:uiL6rRZ0HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> He did explain his point, and I understood it at least. If these groups
>> were only accessible via MS's own servers then yes, MS would own them.
>> Now
>> that it's part of Usenet, it is part of the Usenet network where there is
>> no
>> central server or owner. The messages will get synched with all servers
>> hosting that particular group. MS can moderate the messages that appear
>> on
>> it's servers but it has no bearing on other Usenet servers that carry the
>> MS
>> groups.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Leythos]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

In article <A28913B3-4993-4A48-B7E9-BE3E4BD087ED@microsoft.com>,
Bob@somewhere.usa says...
>
> Refreshing to see someone who understands how it works.

Except that's not how it really works. Each Usenet server has partners
that it replicates with, it doesn't matter if the MS Usenet servers
exist, the messages will replicate with the peers and the peers will
replicate with their other peers, so MS could stop being a Usenet member
and everyone could still use the groups, just not from the MS addresses.

--

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- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:07:21 -0700, "Gary"
<Gary@NoSpam.california.usa> wrote:

>Its not a many to many type of system its a many to one. All servers tied
>into the Microsoft news feed sync there messages back to the original news
>servers. Then all other servers pick up the new messages from the Microsoft
>news feed.
>
>If it was a many to many system each server hosting the feed would have to
>sync new messages to all other servers hosting the feed. It just doesn't
>work that way. This is what I was trying to explain to Adam before he went
>off in a huff.

Speaking of huffs when are you going to admit you were dead wrong
about NTSC color space? Obviously you blew your top on that topic.

For those WILLING to learn how Usenet works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_server

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peering

Also see news feed, upstream and downstream. To suggest all of the
several thousand news servers that carry this and other Microsoft
groups tie in to Microsoft news servers directly is lunacy. It only
takes ONE news server to pick up the feed. I already explained this is
how originally Microsoft's feed was stolen by a major backbone. Once
picked up new posts are exchanged with other intra connected news
servers just like they do to pick up other messages in non Microsoft
newsgroups. It's similar to a telephone network. In fact Usenet like
the Internet travels over the major telephone networks like AT&T and
Sprint.

 

[GO]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?


> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:tt0oa3dg8qlpoo3lcletm29g3c9nr6ckp5@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:49:57 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:
>>
>>> However all the servers will still sync there messages with the
>>> original source at Microsoft.
>>> Therefore Microsoft who originally created the newsgroup would
>>> still be considered the "owner"
>>
>> Give it up with you guys. Were talking a newsgroup, it isn't
>> property, hell man it doesn't even physically exist. I NEVER saw a
>> bigger bunch of babies that even when proven wrong beyond all doubt
>> instead of admitting you were wrong will go on and on pretending
>> they weren't. What a bunch of losers!
>>>
Bob wrote:
> Well I guess you would rather just stomp you feet and rant rather then
> explain you point.
> Time to add you to my kill file. Maybe if you would read sometime you
> might learn something.
>

He did explain his point, and I understood it at least. If these groups
were only accessible via MS's own servers then yes, MS would own them. Now
that it's part of Usenet, it is part of the Usenet network where there is no
central server or owner. The messages will get synched with all servers
hosting that particular group. MS can moderate the messages that appear on
it's servers but it has no bearing on other Usenet servers that carry the MS
groups.

 

[DanS]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"Gary" <Gary@NoSpam.california.usa> wrote in
news:utYG3XZ0HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> Its not a many to many type of system its a many to one. All servers
> tied into the Microsoft news feed sync there messages back to the
> original news servers. Then all other servers pick up the new messages
> from the Microsoft news feed.
>
> If it was a many to many system each server hosting the feed would
> have to sync new messages to all other servers hosting the feed. It
> just doesn't work that way. This is what I was trying to explain to
> Adam before he went off in a huff.
>

But yes, that is *EXACTLY* how it works. It is a many-to-many system. A
peer-to-peer system.

I'll post a message to this group through Giganews, and after posting,
their servers will push it to other servers, and those will do the same,
and so on, until it propagates to as many other independant servers as it
can.

Once a newsgroup is created and hosted by thousands of usenet servers on
the internet, it can be carried on regardless of who added it on. MS can be
completed gone and their servers offline, but these MS newsgroups could
just live on years after that anyway.

 

[GO]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

That's never been my understanding of how Usenet works. Usenet works much
like a peer to peer (P2P) network where there is no central server. When
new messages come in it gets sent to neighboring servers.

Gary wrote:
> Its not a many to many type of system its a many to one. All servers
> tied into the Microsoft news feed sync there messages back to the
> original news servers. Then all other servers pick up the new
> messages from the Microsoft news feed.
>
> If it was a many to many system each server hosting the feed would
> have to sync new messages to all other servers hosting the feed. It
> just doesn't work that way. This is what I was trying to explain to
> Adam before he went off in a huff.
>
> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
> news:uiL6rRZ0HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> He did explain his point, and I understood it at least. If these
>> groups were only accessible via MS's own servers then yes, MS would
>> own them. Now
>> that it's part of Usenet, it is part of the Usenet network where
>> there is no
>> central server or owner. The messages will get synched with all
>> servers hosting that particular group. MS can moderate the messages
>> that appear on
>> it's servers but it has no bearing on other Usenet servers that
>> carry the MS
>> groups.

 

[GO]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or more specifically:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#Technical_details

GO wrote:
> That's never been my understanding of how Usenet works. Usenet works
> much like a peer to peer (P2P) network where there is no central
> server. When new messages come in it gets sent to neighboring
> servers.
>
> Gary wrote:
>> Its not a many to many type of system its a many to one. All servers
>> tied into the Microsoft news feed sync there messages back to the
>> original news servers. Then all other servers pick up the new
>> messages from the Microsoft news feed.
>>
>> If it was a many to many system each server hosting the feed would
>> have to sync new messages to all other servers hosting the feed. It
>> just doesn't work that way. This is what I was trying to explain to
>> Adam before he went off in a huff.
>>
>> "GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
>> news:uiL6rRZ0HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> He did explain his point, and I understood it at least. If these
>>> groups were only accessible via MS's own servers then yes, MS would
>>> own them. Now
>>> that it's part of Usenet, it is part of the Usenet network where
>>> there is no
>>> central server or owner. The messages will get synched with all
>>> servers hosting that particular group. MS can moderate the messages
>>> that appear on
>>> it's servers but it has no bearing on other Usenet servers that
>>> carry the MS
>>> groups.