Windows Vista Trolls and MVPs?

[Frank]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Adam Albright wrote:

>
> You can no more "own" a newsgroup then you can own the sky or the
> moon. You know the real reason I hang out here? Well to be totally
> honest it is fun to watch all the off the wall absurdity that's posted
> day in and day out by people that THINK they know what they're talking
> about but in reality don't have a clue.

Yeah, I totally agree.
You're one of the most entertaining dopes to ever post in any ng, mr
genius...hahaha...lol!
A laugh a min.!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"
> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no
>>>problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and
>>>gloomy as you paint it.
>>
>>I concur that.
>
>
> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>


Try google as it seems to be a brain substitute for you.
Frank

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

> While Microsoft may have created a bunch of newsgroups to promote
> their crap, once created all groups are just part of the larger Usenet
> network. Microsoft like others may provide a news server to store
> posts that originate on their news servers but other people post to
> other news servers. So the concept of newsgroup ownership is LAUGHABLE
> once you understand how things actually work.


We are talking about two different concepts of ownsership.

It is laughable for anyone who can't understand that anything on the net is
not owned by anyone and we all understand that and that is your
interprestations.

I am talking about ownserhip in terms of people and companies who need to
come up and maintain hardware and software a.k.a. platforms that people can
post and store messages.

>There are NO moderators period. Only a few idiots that try to be. Geez
>man, learn something will yea?

Which part of self-appointed you don't understand?

Now you just put the last straw and you are the wost poster in here.



"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:6mcla39sb8u3qo9j2jn9m052hf9qo9qqh4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:33:14 -0700, "xfile"
> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>Actually every NG is owned by someone. The one that initially >submitted
>>>it
>>>for inclusion in the news groups. My guess would be from >the name that
>>>this particular one is OWNED by Microsoft.
>>>If you want more info, google for how to create a news group and take >it
>>>from there.
>>
>>Agreed and true. Good or bad, Microsoft is generous enough to have little
>>censorship and we need to thank it for that.
>
> You can no more "own" a newsgroup then you can own the sky or the
> moon. You know the real reason I hang out here? Well to be totally
> honest it is fun to watch all the off the wall absurdity that's posted
> day in and day out by people that THINK they know what they're talking
> about but in reality don't have a clue.
>
> A newsgroup is nothing more than a classification, similar to how
> folders are arranged on your hard drive. When you post to a particular
> newsgroup the news server it gets uploaded to "remembers" which group
> you posted to and shares that information along with other stuff and
> shares it with thousands of other networked news servers all over the
> world.
>
> While Microsoft may have created a bunch of newsgroups to promote
> their crap, once created all groups are just part of the larger Usenet
> network. Microsoft like others may provide a news server to store
> posts that originate on their news servers but other people post to
> other news servers. So the concept of newsgroup ownership is LAUGHABLE
> once you understand how things actually work.
>
> That's why it is absurd to suggest Microsoft could or would even want
> to monitor or filter what gets posted. Again, maybe they edit what
> arrives or originates on THEIR news servers but since there are
> thousands of news servers, many carrying most or all of the Microsoft
> groups along with some of the well in excess of a hundred thousand
> other news groups what you said is laughable.
>
>>There are a few self-appointed but not well-trained moderators with double
>>standards, but we can ignore them.
>
> There are NO moderators period. Only a few idiots that try to be. Geez
> man, learn something will yea?
>

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.

Unlike you. I read and think before posting.

And if you can't find any of those, you failed just like those you've been
cariticized all along.

Funny thing, what do you think I owe you for your homework. You don't know
you are a loser, right?

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"
> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no
>>> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and
>>> gloomy as you paint it.
>>
>>I concur that.
>
> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>

 

[norm]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:48:59 -0700, "xfile"
> <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>> Adam, you are dead wrong. There are several mvps "here" that have no
>>> problem being critical of ms and/or its products. Not all is as dark and
>>> gloomy as you paint it.
>> I concur that.
>
> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>
"Do so now"? You sound like Frank. I will give you some names, you can
do your own homework. All of the mvps named below (and there are
probably a couple more that I don't recall now) have made critical
remarks about either an ms product, the function of an ms product or
even ms as a whole in the course of their participation in this group.
Enjoy your search.
Kerry Brown
Ken Blake
Chris Quirke
Mike Hall

--
norm

 

[Lang Murphy]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46aa6d47@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> Also there is nothing that says that people in here MUST say they like
> vista or else they must labeled trolls.
>
> This is vista.general
>
> Not vista.mustbeworshiped

<snip>

Nor is it Vista.AndAnythingElseUnderTheSun

Lang

 

[Revolt]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message
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> agreed, and highly unprofessional!


They don't get paid for it so they don't have to act "professional".

 

[Lang Murphy]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns997A87E1879F3xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known
> trolls in this newsgroup?
>
> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't
> they?
>
>
>
> --
> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html


Known trolls? Well, yeah, it's not too hard to identify the trolls. But
there's no official tag that identifies them as such. Care to list them?
(And... OMG! I'm kidding!)

Lang

 

[Frank]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

norm wrote:


>
> "Do so now"? You sound like Frank.

_------------------------------------_


Only Frank sounds like Frank.
Don't confuse the masses as they're already confused enough.
Frank

 

[Greg]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Talk about a self-referential post! The several dozen responses to this post
by the people you are talking about just proves your point I think. If the
MVPs who spent all that time calling people morons and responding to
childish insults with childish insults had addressed people's problems as
they claim to be here to do out of the goodness of their own hearts, several
dozen genuine queries might have been answered/


"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns997A87E1879F3xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> Why is it apparently necessary for certain MVPs to reply to the known
> trolls in this newsgroup?
>
> I can understand some others but MVPs should know better, shouldn't
> they?
>
>
>
> --
> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

 

[Richard G. Harper]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

No, I block messages because I do not need the noise, nor the aggravation of
yet another troll-feeding session. Cutting down on the message count is a
side effect; useful, yes but not the main reason. ;-)

--
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* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
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"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:456F7467-C6B9-4FDD-A6AB-3FB06C647770@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
> do you block messages because of the traffic? I let them all go in, but I
> just ignore the messages with a subject that doesn't sound like needing
> help.

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:12:30 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>norm wrote:
>
>
>>
>> "Do so now"? You sound like Frank.
>
>_------------------------------------_
>
>
>Only Frank sounds like Frank.
>Don't confuse the masses as they're already confused enough.
>Frank


For once I can agree with Frank. Nobody else sounds like Frank or
would want to. Frank has a special kind of idiocy unique on to himself
NOBODY this side of an insane asylum would want to duplicate.

 

[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:57:12 -0400, norm <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote:

>> Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no
>> tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking

I don't know where you got that ridiculous bit of information. If there were nothing involved in becoming a MVP, anyone could [well they can anyway's] not like they're going to wind up in jail for identity theft.

But I ran across the page on MVP awhile back, and unless they've loosened the rules, there is a test. And a few other requirements.
I know a little about a machine from 10 years experience. But not enough to be a MVP.

That MVP tag whether you like the advice or the manner it's spoon fed to you, is in most cases 70% correct. It's definitely closer to accurate than any other help in a NG. I think it's a great program. I can usually trust the info from a MVP. Do I have any kill filed ? I doubt it.

And then you have the fact that they're here on THEIR NICKEL. They aren't asking for handouts.
--
more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:02:33 -0400, keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:57:12 -0400, norm <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote:
>
>>> Ok, here's the nitty-gritty. Some FACTS you should know. MVPs pass no
>>> tests, don't in any way need to prove they know what they're talking
>
>I don't know where you got that ridiculous bit of information. If there were nothing involved in becoming a MVP, anyone could [well they can anyway's] not like they're going to wind up in jail for identity theft.
>
>But I ran across the page on MVP awhile back, and unless they've loosened the rules, there is a test. And a few other requirements.
>I know a little about a machine from 10 years experience. But not enough to be a MVP.
>
>That MVP tag whether you like the advice or the manner it's spoon fed to you, is in most cases 70% correct. It's definitely closer to accurate than any other help in a NG. I think it's a great program. I can usually trust the info from a MVP. Do I have any kill filed ? I doubt it.
>
>And then you have the fact that they're here on THEIR NICKEL. They aren't asking for handouts.

Another idiot heard from. You're saying a 70% accuracy rate is a good
thing? I'm closer to 99% accuracy. Duh!

Don't think so? Well then, here's a challenge for you, PROVE advice
I've given is inaccurate. Go ahead, make my day.

As far as you, you still haven't figured out how to set a normal line
length for your posts. What does that suggest about you?

 

[DanS]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
> are MVP's after a while.
>
> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
> to the organization for which I represent.

No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
the MVP's say.

MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....

(http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)

'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?

A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an
award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
technical communities.'

I didn't see this Q & A before.......

'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?

A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft
has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found
on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'

Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx

Rules schmules........

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent Microsft,
so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.

MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives of
the company and they can aquire certain information that are not available
to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft Most Valuable
Professional" as the title.

So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal one,
and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.


"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>> are MVP's after a while.
>>
>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>> to the organization for which I represent.
>
> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
> the MVP's say.
>
> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>
> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>
> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>
> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an
> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
> technical communities.'
>
> I didn't see this Q & A before.......
>
> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?
>
> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft
> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found
> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'
>
> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
> Rules schmules........

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Let me try this - Hello

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>> are MVP's after a while.
>>
>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>> to the organization for which I represent.
>
> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
> the MVP's say.
>
> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>
> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>
> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>
> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an
> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
> technical communities.'
>
> I didn't see this Q & A before.......
>
> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?
>
> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft
> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found
> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'
>
> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
> Rules schmules........

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

OK.

You won and I lost since my reply to you is being deleted.


"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>> are MVP's after a while.
>>
>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>> to the organization for which I represent.
>
> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
> the MVP's say.
>
> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>
> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>
> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>
> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an
> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
> technical communities.'
>
> I didn't see this Q & A before.......
>
> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?
>
> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft
> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found
> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'
>
> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>
> Rules schmules........

 

[Alias]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

xfile wrote:
> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent Microsft,
> so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.
>
> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives of
> the company and they can aquire certain information that are not available
> to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft Most Valuable
> Professional" as the title.
>
> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal one,
> and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.

Is this the post you "lost"?

Alias
>
>
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>>> are MVP's after a while.
>>>
>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>>> to the organization for which I represent.
>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
>> the MVP's say.
>>
>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>>
>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>>
>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>>
>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an
>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
>> technical communities.'
>>
>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......
>>
>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?
>>
>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft
>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found
>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'
>>
>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>>
>> Rules schmules........
>
>

 

[xfile]

Re: Trolls and MVPs?

LOL, it is

How did you get it?

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
news:u1Z47rS0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> xfile wrote:
>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent
>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.
>>
>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives
>> of the company and they can aquire certain information that are not
>> available to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft
>> Most Valuable Professional" as the title.
>>
>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal
>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.
>
> Is this the post you "lost"?
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
>> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
>>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
>>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>>>> are MVP's after a while.
>>>>
>>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>>>> to the organization for which I represent.
>>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
>>> the MVP's say.
>>>
>>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>>>
>>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>>>
>>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>>>
>>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
>>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received
>>> an
>>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
>>> technical communities.'
>>>
>>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......
>>>
>>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?
>>>
>>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft
>>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
>>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
>>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found
>>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'
>>>
>>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>>>
>>> Rules schmules........
>>