Windows Vista Trolls and MVPs?

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Re: Trolls and MVPs?

xfile wrote:
> LOL, it is :)
>
> How did you get it?

I'm using Ubuntu, of course ;-)

Heh.

Alias
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
> news:u1Z47rS0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> xfile wrote:
>>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent
>>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.
>>>
>>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial" representatives
>>> of the company and they can aquire certain information that are not
>>> available to the general public, plus some of them even put "Microsoft
>>> Most Valuable Professional" as the title.
>>>
>>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal
>>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.
>> Is this the post you "lost"?
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
>>>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
>>>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>>>>> are MVP's after a while.
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>>>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>>>>> to the organization for which I represent.
>>>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
>>>> the MVP's say.
>>>>
>>>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>>>>
>>>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>>>>
>>>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>>>>
>>>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
>>>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received
>>>> an
>>>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
>>>> technical communities.'
>>>>
>>>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......
>>>>
>>>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?
>>>>
>>>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions, Microsoft
>>>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
>>>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
>>>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be found
>>>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>>>>
>>>> Rules schmules........
>
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

OK.

I will remember that.

Got to go and take care :)


"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
news:uL$dFzS0HHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> xfile wrote:
>> LOL, it is :)
>>
>> How did you get it?
>
> I'm using Ubuntu, of course ;-)
>
> Heh.
>
> Alias
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>> news:u1Z47rS0HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> xfile wrote:
>>>> Yes, MVP's are not MS employees and do not "officially" represent
>>>> Microsft, so I apologize if I mislead you and I know those facts.
>>>>
>>>> MVP is "awarded" by the company and they are "unofficial"
>>>> representatives of the company and they can aquire certain information
>>>> that are not available to the general public, plus some of them even
>>>> put "Microsoft Most Valuable Professional" as the title.
>>>>
>>>> So I take that as a form of represtation but not necessary the formal
>>>> one, and I can accept anyone who thinks otherwise.
>>> Is this the post you "lost"?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns997B6E12ED66Fthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...
>>>>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>>>>>> are MVP's after a while.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>>>>>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>>>>>> to the organization for which I represent.
>>>>> No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is
>>>>> what
>>>>> the MVP's say.
>>>>>
>>>>> MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>>>>>
>>>>> (http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>>>>>
>>>>> A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
>>>>> Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received
>>>>> an
>>>>> award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
>>>>> technical communities.'
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't see this Q & A before.......
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Q8: What does Microsoft expect of its MVPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> A8: Because MVP status is awarded based on past contributions,
>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>> has no expectations of MVPs beyond the expectations of courtesy,
>>>>> professionalism, code of conduct, and adherence to the community rules
>>>>> that we ask of all Microsoft community members. These rules can be
>>>>> found
>>>>> on the Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft Communities Rules of Conduct page:
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Rules schmules........
>>
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

xfile wrote:
> LOL, it is :)
>
> How did you get it?
>

Because it wasn't "lost." I don't know why you couldn'e see it, but
you posted the same one repeatedly, and all of them appeared in the
newsgroup. Perhaps you were impatient, and didn't allow enough time for
them to be propagated to whichever news server you're using to access
this news group.


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Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Alias wrote:
> xfile wrote:
>> LOL, it is :)
>>
>> How did you get it?
>
> I'm using Ubuntu, of course ;-)
>


Utterly irrelevant, an another deliberate lie (by implication, this
time). The posts were never "lost," but rather appeared multiple times.


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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:43:49 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in
>news:eTJ7JGM0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:
>
>> I would say, "a few" are really nice and you may not even know they
>> are MVP's after a while.
>>
>> Funny thing is, if I'm wearing my badge, I'd be even more careful
>> about my behavior, and it's no longer just matter to myself but also
>> to the organization for which I represent.
>
>No, MVP's do not represent MS at all. That is what MS says. That is what
>the MVP's say.
>
>MS takes no responsibility for any actions of said MVP's....
>
>(http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs)
>
>'Q5: Do MVPs represent Microsoft?
>
>A5: No. MVPs are not Microsoft employees, nor do they speak on
>Microsoft's behalf. MVPs are third-party individuals who have received an
>award from Microsoft that recognizes their exceptional achievements in
>technical communities.'

Based on that requirement alone, I would be king of MVPs. LOL!

Thanks, but no thanks. I rather keep my objectivity.
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>
> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>
> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>
> Could have fooled me.

Easier done than said.

>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.

In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>
>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>
>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>
>> Could have fooled me.
>
>Easier done than said.
>
>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>
>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.

Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
about.

What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to
straighten you out.

One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control
Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access
this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't
use . NOT EVEN YOU!

Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows
HOW you just posted it.

NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70

By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you
made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web
we get this information:

OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre
OrgID: RIPE
Address: P.O. Box 10096
City: Amsterdam
StateProv:
PostalCode: 1001EB
Country: NL

ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43

NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255
CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8
NetName: 81-RIPE
NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1
Parent:
NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC
NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET
NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR
NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE
NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG
NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET
NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET
NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in
Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
RegDate:
Updated: 2005-07-27

Going back to the header we learn this about you:

X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSN 2.5; Windows
NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=81.132.187.70;
posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0

Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Hello,

as long as msnews.microsoft.com belongs to Microsoft, I think they own the
newsgroups.

Greetings,
P. Di Stolfo

--
//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
// http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>
>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>
>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>
>>> Could have fooled me.
>>
>>Easier done than said.
>>
>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>
>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>
> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
> about.
>
> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>
> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to
> straighten you out.
>
> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control
> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access
> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't
> use . NOT EVEN YOU!
>
> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows
> HOW you just posted it.
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70
>
> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you
> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web
> we get this information:
>
> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre
> OrgID: RIPE
> Address: P.O. Box 10096
> City: Amsterdam
> StateProv:
> PostalCode: 1001EB
> Country: NL
>
> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43
>
> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255
> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8
> NetName: 81-RIPE
> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1
> Parent:
> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC
> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET
> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR
> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE
> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG
> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET
> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET
> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in
> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
> RegDate:
> Updated: 2005-07-27
>
> Going back to the header we learn this about you:
>
> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>
> User-Agent: G2/1.0
> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSN 2.5; Windows
> NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com;
> posting-host=81.132.187.70;
> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
>
> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?
>
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

They might own the news server but they don't monitor it

"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uIQb6PV0HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hello,
>
> as long as msnews.microsoft.com belongs to Microsoft, I think they own the
> newsgroups.
>
> Greetings,
> P. Di Stolfo
>
> --
> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>>
>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>>
>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>>
>>>> Could have fooled me.
>>>
>>>Easier done than said.
>>>
>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>>
>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>>
>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
>> about.
>>
>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>>
>> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to
>> straighten you out.
>>
>> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control
>> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access
>> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't
>> use . NOT EVEN YOU!
>>
>> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows
>> HOW you just posted it.
>>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70
>>
>> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you
>> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web
>> we get this information:
>>
>> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre
>> OrgID: RIPE
>> Address: P.O. Box 10096
>> City: Amsterdam
>> StateProv:
>> PostalCode: 1001EB
>> Country: NL
>>
>> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43
>>
>> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255
>> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8
>> NetName: 81-RIPE
>> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1
>> Parent:
>> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC
>> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET
>> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR
>> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE
>> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG
>> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET
>> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET
>> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
>> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in
>> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
>> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
>> RegDate:
>> Updated: 2005-07-27
>>
>> Going back to the header we learn this about you:
>>
>> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
>> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>
>> User-Agent: G2/1.0
>> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSN 2.5; Windows
>> NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
>> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
>> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com;
>> posting-host=81.132.187.70;
>> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
>>
>> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?
>>
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say Microsoft
owns the Usenet.



"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>
>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>
>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>
>>> Could have fooled me.
>>
>>Easier done than said.
>>
>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>
>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>
> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
> about.
>
> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>
> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to
> straighten you out.
>
> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control
> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access
> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't
> use . NOT EVEN YOU!
>
> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows
> HOW you just posted it.
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70
>
> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you
> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web
> we get this information:
>
> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre
> OrgID: RIPE
> Address: P.O. Box 10096
> City: Amsterdam
> StateProv:
> PostalCode: 1001EB
> Country: NL
>
> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43
>
> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255
> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8
> NetName: 81-RIPE
> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1
> Parent:
> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC
> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET
> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR
> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE
> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG
> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET
> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET
> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in
> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
> RegDate:
> Updated: 2005-07-27
>
> Going back to the header we learn this about you:
>
> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>
> User-Agent: G2/1.0
> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSN 2.5; Windows
> NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com;
> posting-host=81.132.187.70;
> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
>
> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?
>
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Bob wrote:
> Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say
> Microsoft owns the Usenet.
>

Adam, aka georgie-boy, says he's a genius with an iq of 107!
He's knows everything..just ask him.
Except he can't seem to get his copy of Vista to run correctly but,
that's not his fault, so he says.
It's those MS "fanboys" fault, so he says.
So don't argue with him cause he's smarter than everyone else in this ng.
Don't believe me, just ask him!
Hahaha...lol.
Frank
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:33:30 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:

>Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say Microsoft
>owns the Usenet.

Still wrong. You can't own a newsgroup. Period. You, me, Microsoft,
anyone, even our pal and everyone's favorite troll Frankie can quickly
and easily create a new newsgroup. How to create one is all over the
web.

Once created UNLESS restricted access meaning they are only accessible
from ONE news server then once created ALL newsgroups part of Usenet
can be and are carried by any news service provider or ISP that wants
to carry them. Therefore they become part of the public domain, nobody
owns or controls them.

If you want some history, here it is...

Once upon a time Microsoft REQUIRED that anyone wishing to access any
of their now more than 2,000+ groups had to access them from one of
their news servers. Then what you said would be valid. No more.

Several years ago, I forget exactly when or who, but one of the major
Usenet backbone providers STOLE Microsoft's feed. If or not Microsoft
liked that I don't know or care. What happened very quickly was once
one provider picked up the Microsoft feed every news server provider
that peered with this original provider then had the option of
carrying all or some of the Microsoft groups just like they have the
option to pick and choose what other newsgroups they carry.

Many did elect to carry all the Microsoft newsgroups as a public
service to their customers and Microsoft while they may not have liked
their feed getting "stolen" out from under them didn't do anything
about it and you see what we have now. Anybody, anywhere on the planet
can access THIS and any other Microsoft newsgroup IF whoever they get
their Usenet feed from provides it.

Clearly you can now see the ownership point has no meaning. At least I
can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?



"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>
>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>
>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>
>>> Could have fooled me.
>>
>>Easier done than said.
>>
>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>
>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>
> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
> about.
>
> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?

Get lost creep.
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Hello,
thank you for clearing this up.

> [...] At least I
> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.

This sounds a little offensive, if I may say.

Greetings,
P. Di Stolfo
--
//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
// http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:slcna31031cavfbmbtodd5ha1235hq1mv8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:33:30 -0700, "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote:
>
>>Adam he said Microsoft owns the newsgroup (this one) he didn't say
>>Microsoft
>>owns the Usenet.
>
> Still wrong. You can't own a newsgroup. Period. You, me, Microsoft,
> anyone, even our pal and everyone's favorite troll Frankie can quickly
> and easily create a new newsgroup. How to create one is all over the
> web.
>
> Once created UNLESS restricted access meaning they are only accessible
> from ONE news server then once created ALL newsgroups part of Usenet
> can be and are carried by any news service provider or ISP that wants
> to carry them. Therefore they become part of the public domain, nobody
> owns or controls them.
>
> If you want some history, here it is...
>
> Once upon a time Microsoft REQUIRED that anyone wishing to access any
> of their now more than 2,000+ groups had to access them from one of
> their news servers. Then what you said would be valid. No more.
>
> Several years ago, I forget exactly when or who, but one of the major
> Usenet backbone providers STOLE Microsoft's feed. If or not Microsoft
> liked that I don't know or care. What happened very quickly was once
> one provider picked up the Microsoft feed every news server provider
> that peered with this original provider then had the option of
> carrying all or some of the Microsoft groups just like they have the
> option to pick and choose what other newsgroups they carry.
>
> Many did elect to carry all the Microsoft newsgroups as a public
> service to their customers and Microsoft while they may not have liked
> their feed getting "stolen" out from under them didn't do anything
> about it and you see what we have now. Anybody, anywhere on the planet
> can access THIS and any other Microsoft newsgroup IF whoever they get
> their Usenet feed from provides it.
>
> Clearly you can now see the ownership point has no meaning. At least I
> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.
>
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:40:37 +0100, "Julian" <Julianlzb87@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:vg7na39q0c7o1thodinus2m89qs0cmr5qn@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>>
>>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
>>>> >> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>>
>>>> >Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>>>
>>>> Could have fooled me.
>>>
>>>Easier done than said.
>>>
>>>>You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>>>
>>>In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>>>it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>>>and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>>
>> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
>> about.
>>
>> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>
>Get lost creep.

Oh I see, I totally blow away your argument, you needed to edit what I
said, I drown you in facts and now you call me a creep. Very childish
of you don't you think?

Don't worry, you're in good company. Lots of Bozos here THINK they are
smarter then me. Thinking and being are two different things.
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 23:42:14 +0200, "P. Di Stolfo"
<paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>thank you for clearing this up.
>
>> [...] At least I
>> can dream people are intelligent enough to have followed along.
>
>This sounds a little offensive, if I may say.

Doesn't ANYBODY have a sense of humor?
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote:

> as long as msnews.microsoft.com belongs to Microsoft, I think they
> own the newsgroups.

But they don't own the newsgroups, at least not the public ones.
Microsoft allows some or all of the newsgroups on the public servers to
propagate throughout Usenet so you might find this group on many news
servers.



--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project: http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:28:48 -0700, Julian <julianlzb87@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 28, 2:59 pm, Adam Albright <A...@ABC.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:22:47 -0700, "xfile"
>>>
>>> <cou-...@remove.nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> Really? Then you won't have any trouble re posting any of these MVPs
>>>>> comments you claim were critical of Microsoft. Do so now.
>>>> Unlike you. I read and think before posting.
>>> Could have fooled me.
>> Easier done than said.
>>
>>> You just made an ass of yourself trying to
>>> suggest Microsoft "owns" this newsgroup.
>> In a way Microsoft do own this news group in so far as
>> it is Microsofts right to to take the group down if they wish
>> and they, alone, have the power to censor it.
>
> Completely false and only confirms you don't know what you're talking
> about.
>
> What exactly is "in a way" suppose to mean?
>
> Sounds like your hedging your bets. Don't worry, I'll be happy to
> straighten you out.
>
> One more time for the clueless. Microsoft doesn't own or control
> Usenet. THAT is what carries this newsgroup to you unless you access
> this newsgroup off Microsoft's own news server which most people don't
> use . NOT EVEN YOU!
>
> Need proof? Well below is part of the header from your post that shows
> HOW you just posted it.
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.132.187.70
>
> By taking the IP address above that was in your header in the post you
> made and simply punching it in to one of many WhoIs sites on the web
> we get this information:
>
> OrgName: RIPE Network Coordination Centre
> OrgID: RIPE
> Address: P.O. Box 10096
> City: Amsterdam
> StateProv:
> PostalCode: 1001EB
> Country: NL
>
> ReferralServer: whois://whois.ripe.net:43
>
> NetRange: 81.0.0.0 - 81.255.255.255
> CIDR: 81.0.0.0/8
> NetName: 81-RIPE
> NetHandle: NET-81-0-0-0-1
> Parent:
> NetType: Allocated to RIPE NCC
> NameServer: NS-PRI.RIPE.NET
> NameServer: NS3.NIC.FR
> NameServer: SUNIC.SUNET.SE
> NameServer: NS-EXT.ISC.ORG
> NameServer: SEC1.APNIC.NET
> NameServer: SEC3.APNIC.NET
> NameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NET
> Comment: These addresses have been further assigned to users in
> Comment: the RIPE NCC region. Contact information can be found in
> Comment: the RIPE database at http://www.ripe.net/whois
> RegDate:
> Updated: 2005-07-27
>
> Going back to the header we learn this about you:
>
> X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:28:48 +0000 (UTC)
> In-Reply-To: <vkima35n6631j0vgdctbtliaptla5i8eco@4ax.com>
> User-Agent: G2/1.0
> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSN 2.5; Windows
> NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
> Injection-Info: l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com;
> posting-host=81.132.187.70;
> posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0
>
> Now you still want to pretend Microsoft "owns" anything in the above?
>

They only own their own server and can only remove posts from their own
server and have been known to do so.

Alias
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

OK. I apologize but I still don't see it with OE and I posted twice.

Anyway, not important.


"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:%23kQsc6S0HHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> xfile wrote:
>> LOL, it is :)
>>
>> How did you get it?
>>
>
> Because it wasn't "lost." I don't know why you couldn'e see it, but you
> posted the same one repeatedly, and all of them appeared in the newsgroup.
> Perhaps you were impatient, and didn't allow enough time for them to be
> propagated to whichever news server you're using to access this news
> group.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell
 
Re: Trolls and MVPs?

Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> xfile wrote:
>>> LOL, it is :)
>>>
>>> How did you get it?
>>
>> I'm using Ubuntu, of course ;-)
>>
>
>
> Utterly irrelevant, an another deliberate lie (by implication, this
> time). The posts were never "lost," but rather appeared multiple times.
>
>

It was a joke, son. I was not serious. It was said tongue in cheek.

Alias
 

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