Windows Vista Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files


I'm pretty sure it's not a virus. At this point in time, I would have to
say from my own similar experience that the USB drivers in Vista are
simply not compatible with your devices, which are pre-Vista.

I have noted that the transfer problems occur with all image file types
and video file types. I have never seen a problem with music files,
text files or MS Office files.

I have also concluded that there are three facets to this corruption
problem:

1) A Vista application will read and display an image from the device
and it will appear corrupted on the Vista machine because of a bad read
operation over USB. However, the file on the device is still actually
fine.

2) A file transfer or copy has been performed over USB. If not
successful, the file will be permanently corrupted on the receiving
end.

3) If the Vista application rewrites the file (e.g. Photoshop working
with a file that resides on the device), if the save is corrupted on
the USB write, the file will be permanently corrupted on the device.

In my view, if the manufacturers have not provided updated drivers or
firmware for Vista compatibility then you have 2 choices:

1) downgrade your OS to XP like I did, or

2) upgrade your peripheral equipment (cameras, external storage
devices, USB sticks, etc.) with proven units tested with Vista.

Unfortunately, what has already been corrupted during the transfers to
Vista will stay corrupted, even if you later try to download the files
to an XP machine. You need to be sure about which files on your device
are now corrupt and which are not.

Hope this helps.


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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:18:01 -0700, tewkes <tewkes@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>Here's another frustrating update:
>
>1) Still have the problem. Absolutely no changes since before. Still about
>20-30% of pictures I download (any method possible) from both digital cameras
>(SD and Memory Stick media).
>2) I completely blew and and reformatted the 2 storage HDs I use (1 internal
>+ 1 external). Both NTFS formatted. The only drive not reformatted was my
>main OS drive.
>3) I do not know anyone with Vista, so I have yet to test downloading photos
>direct from camera to another PC with Vista. I have tried downloading photos
>to an XP laptop with no differences seen. Pictures still jumbled.
you could always take it to a local store or shop that sells Vistas and ask if
they'd let you download to their machine.
Is Vista up to date ?

>4) As far as I can tell it's jus jpg files still, but I have not opened
>every mp3 on my PC to confirm integrity.
>
>I'm not getting anywhere with this at all and becoming more and more
>frustrated daily. I have considered all recommendations so far to no avail.
Did you take this to a camera news group ?
I know you didn't take this to the GRC news group forum like I suggested.

Something about your statement above doesn't ring true.
IIRC, you said you had 100% correct transfers by plugging the stick directly
into the XP, can't recall if you plugged it into the Vista.. But IIRC you said
transfers to the XP worked fine.

You never did say how pictures taken with NO STICKS installed in the camera
worked..
IE: Sticks are an accessory to EXPAND the total number of images you can take.
you quoted 30% & 70%. That would be about right for the division of images
INSIDE a camera. 30% on built in memory, and 70% to the stick.
When you use a stick, I'm guessing they disable internal memory so when you
remove the stick, you remove ALL the images.
When was the last time you formatted the internal memory [30%] of the camera
?

>Could it be some strange virus doing this? I have Norton Antivirus with up
>to date definitions. Grasping for straws here.
>
>I did just get a blue screen error for the first time on my new computer
>today. Stated it was a kcom.sys page fault error. Not sure if it is related.
learn to google. google for kcom.sys.

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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

Thanks for the insight. This could be plausible in my situation as well
since all of my old jpgs were backed up on a WD MyBook hooked up via USB 2.0
to my new Vista device. Even those files that were on the My Book prior to
Vista now appear 30% corrupted. You're absolutely right about the files
still appearing correct on the cameras even if they show corrupt on the Vista
machine.

What I don't understand is that both cameras are fairly new. The Canon just
came out about 4-5 months ago. Also, why if this is the problem, don't more
people have this issue than are reported? I have used Firewire to download
videos from my Sony Camcorder and that has had no corruption issues at all,
so this must be related only to the USB drivers.

I cringe at having to downgrade OS to XP, but if that solved your problem
than it's worth it. I really wish M$ would read these and do something about
the issue in Vista.

Thanks again!

tewkes

"wbarbourca" wrote:

>
> I'm pretty sure it's not a virus. At this point in time, I would have to
> say from my own similar experience that the USB drivers in Vista are
> simply not compatible with your devices, which are pre-Vista.
>
> I have noted that the transfer problems occur with all image file types
> and video file types. I have never seen a problem with music files,
> text files or MS Office files.
>
> I have also concluded that there are three facets to this corruption
> problem:
>
> 1) A Vista application will read and display an image from the device
> and it will appear corrupted on the Vista machine because of a bad read
> operation over USB. However, the file on the device is still actually
> fine.
>
> 2) A file transfer or copy has been performed over USB. If not
> successful, the file will be permanently corrupted on the receiving
> end.
>
> 3) If the Vista application rewrites the file (e.g. Photoshop working
> with a file that resides on the device), if the save is corrupted on
> the USB write, the file will be permanently corrupted on the device.
>
> In my view, if the manufacturers have not provided updated drivers or
> firmware for Vista compatibility then you have 2 choices:
>
> 1) downgrade your OS to XP like I did, or
>
> 2) upgrade your peripheral equipment (cameras, external storage
> devices, USB sticks, etc.) with proven units tested with Vista.
>
> Unfortunately, what has already been corrupted during the transfers to
> Vista will stay corrupted, even if you later try to download the files
> to an XP machine. You need to be sure about which files on your device
> are now corrupt and which are not.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:12:01 -0700, tewkes <tewkes@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

>What I don't understand is that both cameras are fairly new. The Canon just
>came out about 4-5 months ago. Also, why if this is the problem, don't more
That could be border line Vista compatible, and something that new should have
come with some sort of install CD with programs designed specifically for
removing images from the camera. IOW: The drivers for your camera are on that
CD.

I'd like to see a diagram of what you're talking about when the USB transfers
fail,, but the XP transfers don't.

simple box diagram would work...

XP Vista
------------ --------------
| SD |<-usb------>| SD |
------------ ---------------
Or an actual picture of the setup that fails.
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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

Kris,

I have noticed that over 2 dozen of my jpg photos have been corrupted
or damaged too. I don't understand what is happening. I "do" suspect
Vista as the culprit.

I am a part time wedding photographer and rely on my hard drive for
storing photos right after an event. In the event of a hard drive
failure, I alwasy back up all of the original phtos to a DVD-R ...but
how do I know that the original jpg's won't be corrupt once they are
copied from my flash card to my hard drive?

This has never happend to me before when i used windows xp. This
problem has only come up once I started using Windows Vista. The
corrupt jpg photos are occuring on my new HP Pavilion dv6000 series
notebook (vista home premium, pre-installed), and my homemade home-
theater pc (with vista home premium oem).

The thumbnail photos appear fine, but when I double click on a corrupt
jpg, it will show a few lines of the photo, and the remaining photos
are grey.


Microsoft better have an answer for this.

-george
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

gnassif@ptd.net wrote:
> Kris,
>
> I have noticed that over 2 dozen of my jpg photos have been corrupted
> or damaged too. I don't understand what is happening. I "do" suspect
> Vista as the culprit.
>
> I am a part time wedding photographer and rely on my hard drive for
> storing photos right after an event. In the event of a hard drive
> failure, I alwasy back up all of the original phtos to a DVD-R ...but
> how do I know that the original jpg's won't be corrupt once they are
> copied from my flash card to my hard drive?
>
> This has never happend to me before when i used windows xp. This
> problem has only come up once I started using Windows Vista. The
> corrupt jpg photos are occuring on my new HP Pavilion dv6000 series
> notebook (vista home premium, pre-installed), and my homemade home-
> theater pc (with vista home premium oem).
>
> The thumbnail photos appear fine, but when I double click on a corrupt
> jpg, it will show a few lines of the photo, and the remaining photos
> are grey.
>
>
> Microsoft better have an answer for this.
>
> -george
>


Have you by any chance had this happen to the same photo twice and they
both come out corrupt but "Different"?

Since the picture sent twice should be two identical "Streams" then any
difference might indicate some form of "Timing" or "Buffering" error
while the same corruption might suggest something (A combination of
bytes for example) in the stream causing some part of the receiving
software to get confused.

Haven't had time to follow this thread properly so sorry if that's
already been considered. I can;t see this being a problem atcually
"Writing" to the drive since with the size of the other data people will
be writing could also be expected to show it, and obviously it seems
only to be pictures.

Obviously it's a mystery that needs to be solved :)
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:07:18 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2vh5fe@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> No, I am not using any camera software. I am accessing it as a USB
>> storage device, similar to my USB drive. I don't use Photoshop.
> I only mentioned PS as there is a 100% problem with PS3 files.
> I don't use PS 3 either, but the files are on the web.
> You should have some software from the camera to actually do the downloads.
> I'd try and find it.
>> Yes, it would appear that I am experiencing 2 problems. How the file
>> is being viewed (or read), and how it is written. I never have view
>> problems from my internal drive. For viewing, I typically just use the
>> Windows Photo Gallery application ('Preview').
> Try irfanview. and see if there's actually a problem with the files BEFORE doing anything with them.
>
>> I agree that it doesn't make sense that the corruption would correct
>> itself upon a transfer out and then a rewrite back in, however, it does
>> seem to be a workaround for the view problem. However, if the transfer
> if it's corrupted that's it. no amount of copying is going to restore pixels that were never there.
>
>> out is unsuccessful (a trial and error thing) and I rewrite it back in
>> with the bad copy from my Vista, it is permanent.
> IOW: You're writing a bad copy twice over what you think is a bad copy. There's something else going on. And I'd suspect the software making the transfers.
> Use IV to import from the camera.
>
>> These devices date back to year 2003. Your question as to whether my
>> devices are USB 1 or 2 sounds interesting. That could be it. Is this
>> determination in the firmware of the device? As I say, I'm not using
>> any drivers or applications from the original installation disks, as
>> they would be for XP anyway. And I cannot locate any updated Vista
>> compatible drivers for either device as of yet.
> What I know about USB 1 & USB 2 is below.
> I think there is something like a USB 1 to USB 2 converter, but I wouldn't go that far yet.
> They're 2 different things. One more way to make you replace ALL your old equipment. See stuff that's more than a year old = OLD equipment.

What I've said below describes some of the differences between USB 1.1
and USB 2, and how hardware from the two standards works together (with
no need for converters!). It does not contain anything which may be
useful in solving the OP's problem, so if that's all you're looking for
and you're not otherwise interested, don't waste your time reading it
;o) I just thought some people (especially the person I am replying to)
might be interested.

USB 1.1 and USB 2 are compatible standards. USB 1 (which didn't last
long before USB 1.1 was produced) and USB 1.1 support devices working at
"low speed" (1.5Mb/s) and "full speed" (12Mb/s). USB 2 also supports
devices working at these speeds, as well as "high speed" (480Mb/s).
Faster (and more expensive) hardware is required for devices to cope
with high speed data, so a device which only supports low or full speed
will probably never work at high speed regardless of what you do in
firmware. But that's not a problem, because USB 2 controllers support
devices using low, full or high speed. A common misconception is that
USB 2 is only high speed, and that any low or full speed device is a USB
1.1 device. Almost all modern USB devices are USB 2 devices, even things
like mice and keyboards which typically only use low speeds (cos no-one
types THAT fast!)

USB 1.1 devices work with USB 2 controllers and hubs, just using the
lower speed. In the case of plugging a low or full speed device (whether
it is USB 1.1 or USB 2) into a USB 2 hub, the hub does convert the data
to high speed so that the slower devices do not slow down communication
with high speed devices plugged into the same hub - perhaps that is
where you get the idea of a USB 1 to USB 2 converter from.

To comply with the USB 2 specification, high speed devices must either
work at a lower speed (possibly with reduced functionality) when you
plug them into a USB 1.1 controller or hub, or not do anything at all if
they can't work at all at a lower speed. For a hard disk, this would
just mean that it would take longer to transfer data since a lower speed
is being used. For some high quality real-time audio or video device,
maybe it would work at a reduced quality, or maybe the quality would not
be acceptable if it used a lower speed, so that device may just refuse
to do anything if connected to a USB 1.1 controller, and would still be
compliant with the USB 2 spec.

No conversion is needed to use USB 1.1 devices on a USB 2 controller, or
to use USB 2 devices on a USB 1.1 controller. The USB 2 spec is designed
to be compatible in both directions with USB 1.1.

>
> XP was upgraded to USB 2. Vista was ALWAYS USB 2.
> If the external was 2003, then yes I'd think it was USB 1 compatible.
>
> update drivers - Start - admin tools - computer management - device management -
> under disk drives, find the external. right click update driver or properties - driver - update driver. This may just try to reload, or tell you that you already have the best driver. Machines lazy or not smart enough to find a good one on the web. I would definitely find the camera software, and usage manual. Some may be available on the web. I found a 20 year old manual for a radio shack scanner on the web.
>
> Check the web site of the camera for drivers. or google for the camera.
> But 1st use IV to confirm the images aren't already crapped on the camera, and if not, just let IV move them. I haven't found much that IV can't do with an image. Again it's fast & FREE. You don't need to subscribe to anything or promise your 1st born. It's been free for more than 9 years.
>
> troubleshooting = DON'T RELY on just 1 piece of test equipment. This expands to don't rely on just 2 pieces or more of test equipment.
> I spent 24 hours replacing 3 radios to fix the 1 bad radio on 1 airplane. We DETAILED that plane and finally came to the conclusion that we had 3 different radios that ALL had the EXACT same problem. 4th radio was the charm. We did have 3 bad radios all with the exact same problem.
>
> Use several programs to view your images from the camera. They may already be corrupt on the camera. But that's where you need to start your troubleshooting, from the SOURCE of the images. If they're ok there, do a transfer. re-check them with same view software. This way you eliminate or create a constant. camera = constant, view software = constant, transfer software = constant. If after the transfer the image is bad, change one of the constants. view software, or transfer software. I'd go with transfer software 1st.
>
> And actually this should be the 1st thing to check, how's the batteries in the camera ?
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:15:35 +0100, Mark Bourne
<Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

>What I've said below describes some of the differences between USB 1.1
>and USB 2, and how hardware from the two standards works together (with
>no need for converters!). It does not contain anything which may be

Too technical for me. I'm just following the thread now to see what the problem
is.

IE: I just downloaded v 3.20 drivers & program for my TV. 1 day, and I'm going
back to the previous version.

Is it driver or program ? I have no idea what's buggy, let the manufacturer
work out the bugs. It's their wallet...
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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files


This thread is starting to become confusing. There are at least 3
people here who have reported problems:

tewkes
gnassif@ptd.net
wbarbourca

I believe that we have to take care to identify who we're responding,
to as questions and suggestions for the problem descriptions stated are
starting to get 'blended'.

In reply to Tewkes:

>What I don't understand is that both cameras are fairly new. The Canon
just
>came out about 4-5 months ago.

It doesn't matter how old the camera is. If it doesn't explicitly say
'Vista compatible', then we can't assume it is. It may have been tested
only against older OSs.

>Also, why if this is the problem, don't more
>people have this issue than are reported?

If someone can tell me that they have no problem interconnecting a 2003
Sony DSC-V1 camera or a 2003 Poketec Datastor 40G external drive with
the original firmware and drivers to Vista via USB to transfer or
display pictures, then that would blow 'my' hypothesis right out of the
water. Both of these units are now discontinued, so I would consider
myself to be lucky if anyone bothered to rewrite the firmware.

In your case, if your camera is still on the market, then there's hope.
And yes, everyone who has your camera 'should' have the same problem
with Vista if my theory holds true.

>I really wish M$ would read these and do something about
>the issue in Vista.

As I say, I believe that it 'may' be more likely that it is the camera
manufacture who needs to upgrade their firmware and drivers to be Vista
compatible.


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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:35:29 +0530, wbarbourca
<wbarbourca.2wsanf@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:

>>Also, why if this is the problem, don't more
>>people have this issue than are reported?
For the same reason that I was the only one that couldn't get Nero 7's wave
editor and soundtrax to run. I have a HDTV GT on my machine and those 2
programs ALWAYS attempted to initialize by loading a DLL of the TV's editor.
Since the editor itself was worthless, I just traced the offending DLL. renamed
it, and the Nero programs worked semi fine after that. Neither one can't stop
crashing if it attempts to load a mis named file. ie: xxx.ac3 named xxx.wav
will crash them both.

>If someone can tell me that they have no problem interconnecting a 2003
>Sony DSC-V1 camera or a 2003 Poketec Datastor 40G external drive with
>the original firmware and drivers to Vista via USB to transfer or
>display pictures, then that would blow 'my' hypothesis right out of the
>water. Both of these units are now discontinued, so I would consider
>myself to be lucky if anyone bothered to rewrite the firmware.
dig into your event logs and see what sort of warnings and crashes it's
recording. I hate this new Vista way of handling the events. I used to be able
to delete the logs. And start with a clean slate. Now It takes work to sift
thru those logs and see what's what.
Or you can delete 1 entry at a time of 70000 entries.

>In your case, if your camera is still on the market, then there's hope.
>And yes, everyone who has your camera 'should' have the same problem
>with Vista if my theory holds true.
You really haven't been using computers very long huh ? Even Murphy's law
doesn't cover the crap a computer can do.

Since the thread I was following claimed the problem was on 3 different memory
things, that's a variable that makes the camera a constant. meaning take a look
at the pictures ON the camera BEFORE moving them anywhere.
try several programs to view the images BEFORE moving them. If they appear
correct with all programs, I'd use those programs to make the move.

You might also try a trial version of Total commander to move them. I use it
all the time between drives, and these memory sticks are just additional
drives.
the newest total commander has a thumbnail view which would give you a preview
before moving. AND after.
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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

wbarbourca wrote:
> This thread is starting to become confusing. There are at least 3
> people here who have reported problems:
>
> tewkes
> gnassif@ptd.net
> wbarbourca
>
> I believe that we have to take care to identify who we're responding,
> to as questions and suggestions for the problem descriptions stated are
> starting to get 'blended'.

It has got quite confusing. I was replying to the post I was quoting,
which seemed to be stating that USB 1 and 2 are incompatible. This is
not the case, and I was trying to clarify that (and explain a bit more
for anyone technically minded who is interested).

>
> In reply to Tewkes:
>
>> What I don't understand is that both cameras are fairly new. The Canon
> just
>> came out about 4-5 months ago.
>
> It doesn't matter how old the camera is. If it doesn't explicitly say
> 'Vista compatible', then we can't assume it is. It may have been tested
> only against older OSs.
>
>> Also, why if this is the problem, don't more
>> people have this issue than are reported?
>
> If someone can tell me that they have no problem interconnecting a 2003
> Sony DSC-V1 camera or a 2003 Poketec Datastor 40G external drive with
> the original firmware and drivers to Vista via USB to transfer or
> display pictures, then that would blow 'my' hypothesis right out of the
> water.

That wouldn't necessarily blow your hypothesis out of the water. Older
hardware may be compatible with Vista, even if it hasn't been tested.
I'd expect any disk drive or other storage device which fully complies
with the "USB Mass Storage" standard to work with Vista without
modification, since both Vista AND the device should be compliant with
that common standard. That's not to say any storage device which worked
on XP WILL work on Vista - it's possible that the device is not actually
quite compliant with the standard due to bugs which XP ignores but Vista
doesn't.

> Both of these units are now discontinued, so I would consider
> myself to be lucky if anyone bothered to rewrite the firmware.
>
> In your case, if your camera is still on the market, then there's hope.
> And yes, everyone who has your camera 'should' have the same problem
> with Vista if my theory holds true.

I'm not sure who was having problems with several devices (as you say,
this thread has become a bit confused), but for that person / those
people, it is POSSIBLE that the problem is with your USB controller in
the PC, or the Vista drivers for that controller. I've suggested a few
things to try below to help track down where the problem is. Apologies
if they are not all relevant to the same person, or if you have already
tried some of them! I realise some of them require resources that not
everyone has access to (another computer - maybe try using a friend's
computer, especially if they have Vista, if you don't have one; spare
USB controller - you might know someone with one lying around, but
they're usually on-board these days), or you might need to find someone
with more technical knowledge to help with some of them (I hope none of
you actually know me.....! ;o) ), so just try what you can.

- try the troublesome devices on another (preferably Vista) computer and
see if you can reproduce the results there. I don't just mean open the
corrupt files there and see that they are still corrupt - if they are
already corrupt they will stay that way. I mean take new photos, check
that they transfer correctly to the second computer, copy to the
external hard disk (using the second computer), check that they still
open correctly. If you have good copies on the external drive, try
opening them on the troublesome computer and see if they display
correctly there. Try copying some to the troublesome computer's hard
disk, view them from there, rename, and copy back to the USB disk. Have
the copies become corrupt? If you don't have access to another computer
with Vista, one with another OS will still help, but if everything works
fine on that machine it still leaves the computer's hardware and the OS
as potential problems, rather than just the hardware. The aim is to try
changing one thing at a time, so it is preferable not to change the
computer hardware and the OS at the same time.

- try copying other files apart from just pictures to the external
drive. Do they also get corrupted?

- see if any other USB devices apart from storage devices exhibit
strange behaviour. Many digital cameras act as a storage device for the
purpose of transferring photos, so if you have a general problem with
storage devices this could affect the camera as well as USB disk drives
and card readers. If you find that mice, keyboards, and other low speed
devices have no problem, but that all high-speed devices (marked with a
"USB High Speed" logo) do have problems, it is more likely to be down to
a faulty controller, or the driver for the controller - I have
experienced this in the past, although the devices usually do not work
at all rather than appearing to work but corrupting data.

- try putting another USB 2 controller in your malfunctioning computer,
ie. USB PCI card in a PC, or USB PCMCIA/Cardbus card in a laptop. I'm
not suggesting you buy one just for troubleshooting unless you are more
certain that the controller is the problem, but try to borrow one if you
don't happen to have one lying around. If that fixes the problem, you
probably have a faulty USB controller. Either send the computer back for
repair if it is still under warranty, keep the spare USB controller you
put in if it's not needed elsewhere, buy a new USB controller if not
(they cost about £10-£20 here in the UK), or consider paying for it to
be repaired (probably more expensive than just buying a new controller!)

- try with a different operating system on the malfunctioning computer,
eg. download a "Live" Linux CD (eg. Knoppix) and boot from that - doing
so allows you to run Linux without installing it on the hard disk. I
suggest using a "Live" CD because installing another OS onto the hard
disk over the top of Vista would require making a backup of any data you
don't want to lose, and I wouldn't trust a backup given the problem
you're investigating! It also saves the hassle of actually installing
another OS and reinstalling Vista later. You may need to find someone
else who's familiar with Linux to help you here. I'm not suggesting
using Linux as a permanent solution, but I do find it very useful in
eliminating the OS as the cause of a problem. If you still get problems
under the alternative OS, then the OS is very unlikely to be the cause,
and it is likely a hardware problem. If you don't have problems in the
alternative OS, it could be that there is a problem with the Vista
drivers for either the USB controller or affected hardware.

- I wonder if all the people posting here with problems have computers
from the same manufacturer, or at least using the same motherboard or
on-board USB controller...?

>
>> I really wish M$ would read these and do something about
>> the issue in Vista.
>
> As I say, I believe that it 'may' be more likely that it is the camera
> manufacture who needs to upgrade their firmware and drivers to be Vista
> compatible.
>
>

Apologies for the long list of things to try. I hope it helps at least
some of you work out where the problem lies.

Mark.
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:01:51 +0100, Mark Bourne
<Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>That wouldn't necessarily blow your hypothesis out of the water. Older
>hardware may be compatible with Vista, even if it hasn't been tested.
>I'd expect any disk drive or other storage device which fully complies
>with the "USB Mass Storage" standard to work with Vista without
>modification, since both Vista AND the device should be compliant with

FWIW: Vista exterminated both hardware & software when it came out. If I'd
wanted [and I didn't] to install Vista on my XP, It would have required buying
a new video card and throwing away a $400.00 one. Since the XP died, it's no
longer an issue.
But.. I cannibalized everything I could salvage and use on this HP Vista HP.
This includes several internal HD's a DVD drive [that hangs on the door,
removed] a Maxtor external 300 gig HD, a HP PSC 2355v AIO printer - scanner -
copier.
Both of the last 2 Maxtor and printer had software that no longer will even
install. Actually the Maxtor installs. and BSOD's every time it ran.
the printer and the Maxtor both work with 3rd party software.

So here's a thought, have you bothered to check the M$ Vista compatibility page
? It even has an applet to run and examine it to tell you if it's vista
compatible, and provide you a list of stuff that Vista will destroy.

There's also a stand alone you can download and run offline.
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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

keepout@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:01:51 +0100, Mark Bourne
> <Mark@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> That wouldn't necessarily blow your hypothesis out of the water. Older
>> hardware may be compatible with Vista, even if it hasn't been tested.
>> I'd expect any disk drive or other storage device which fully complies
>> with the "USB Mass Storage" standard to work with Vista without
>> modification, since both Vista AND the device should be compliant with
>
> FWIW: Vista exterminated both hardware & software when it came out. If I'd
> wanted [and I didn't] to install Vista on my XP, It would have required buying
> a new video card and throwing away a $400.00 one. Since the XP died, it's no
> longer an issue.
> But.. I cannibalized everything I could salvage and use on this HP Vista HP.
> This includes several internal HD's a DVD drive [that hangs on the door,
> removed] a Maxtor external 300 gig HD, a HP PSC 2355v AIO printer - scanner -
> copier.
> Both of the last 2 Maxtor and printer had software that no longer will even
> install. Actually the Maxtor installs. and BSOD's every time it ran.
> the printer and the Maxtor both work with 3rd party software.

I'm not saying all hardware will work with Vista, nor am I saying that
you wouldn't have needed to upgrade your video etc (although you might
not have actually needed to upgrade it if you didn't want the flashy new
Aero effects). Maybe the software which came with the drives doesn't
install (presumably some kind of backup or synchronisation software),
but the USB hard disks themselves *should* still work, with none of the
software installed, using the standard USB Mass Storage drivers provided
they comply with that standard, which most do. Printers I can understand
may not work because there are no standard drivers for them, and you
would need Vista compatible drivers, but as far as I could see all the
issues described here were with storage devices. Just because a printer
or other device isn't manufactured any more doesn't mean you won't be
able to get Vista drivers for it - I managed to get Vista drivers for my
printer and two NetMD recorders despite them being discontinued. Since
you've found that both work with 3rd party software, there is clearly
nothing wrong with the hardware devices and Vista, just the software
and, possibly, drivers which came with them.

>
> So here's a thought, have you bothered to check the M$ Vista compatibility page
> ? It even has an applet to run and examine it to tell you if it's vista
> compatible, and provide you a list of stuff that Vista will destroy.

I don't have a problem. I'm just trying to help those that do. I assume
the page you are referring to is the "Windows Vista hardware
compatibility list"? It doesn't seem to be available at the moment, but
I expect it would contain a list of devices which are KNOWN to work with
Vista, and possibly a list of devices which are KNOWN not to work. Any
device not on the list is not necessarily not going to work with Vista,
it's just that M$ haven't tested it for compatibility, and they won't
support it.

>
> There's also a stand alone you can download and run offline.
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

I have this same problem!! Since I changed operation system to Vista allmost
every jpg files has been corrupted! Allmost 2000 photos and about 150 of
those are important because those are the originals I have sold! Doesn't
anyone really knows a solution to this problem. I have backups ofcourse but I
cant risk those by connecting that drive to this computer where Vista is. I
also noticed that some of my mp3 files corrupted also, first they were fine
but after I transferred those to internal harddrive they all corrupted!!!
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

"Kristian" <Kristian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:58662E87-ADA6-45F9-80A1-F0AC3FA3920E@microsoft.com...
> I have this same problem!! Since I changed operation system to Vista
> allmost
> every jpg files has been corrupted! Allmost 2000 photos and about 150 of
> those are important because those are the originals I have sold! Doesn't
> anyone really knows a solution to this problem. I have backups ofcourse
> but I
> cant risk those by connecting that drive to this computer where Vista is.
> I
> also noticed that some of my mp3 files corrupted also, first they were
> fine
> but after I transferred those to internal harddrive they all corrupted!!!

Need to be a bit more detailed. In what way are they corrupt? Won't open,
partial data corruption? I have a lot of jpg, original art work, etc under
Vista, along with a LOT of MP3's with no corruption whatsoever.

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Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

Those files are mostly partially corrupted. I can open those but example
pictures are kind of a "broken", they are like a puzzle, part of picture is
wrong place in that picture. Some pictures have different coloured areas,
example half of that picture is red box but you can see the original picture
in red area. Some of those pictures there are different color of lines. And
other pictures half of that picture is grey zone where isnt anything else.
Mp3 files are also partially corrupted. Only few picturefiles or Mp3s I cant
open. Re-installing Vista or updating any software or drivers wont work. Now
i noticed that when I move those files from my external drive to my computers
(where this error is) internal hd , those pictures that has some problems are
different allmost every time when I re-copy those to computer, I mean those
problems I earlier mentioned changes in picture every time I re-copy those. I
tried that external harddisk to other computer and copying went well, but
that isnt the solution because its not Mine/My computer. I wondered, is it
possible that some hardware might cause this kind of problem... That external
hd works fine on other computer. I can't install same Windows Vista to other
computer because it came with that computer, no cd or dvd, its in the
harddrive.

"DarkSentinel" wrote:

> "Kristian" <Kristian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:58662E87-ADA6-45F9-80A1-F0AC3FA3920E@microsoft.com...
> > I have this same problem!! Since I changed operation system to Vista
> > allmost
> > every jpg files has been corrupted! Allmost 2000 photos and about 150 of
> > those are important because those are the originals I have sold! Doesn't
> > anyone really knows a solution to this problem. I have backups ofcourse
> > but I
> > cant risk those by connecting that drive to this computer where Vista is.
> > I
> > also noticed that some of my mp3 files corrupted also, first they were
> > fine
> > but after I transferred those to internal harddrive they all corrupted!!!
>
> Need to be a bit more detailed. In what way are they corrupt? Won't open,
> partial data corruption? I have a lot of jpg, original art work, etc under
> Vista, along with a LOT of MP3's with no corruption whatsoever.
>
> --
> Ok, I got the big purple f*cker, Sponge Bob is next!!
> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel
> You know what to do with the munge
>
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

I bet this has nothing to do with Vista. You probably open them with the
same viewer that worked in XP, so go to the manufacturer's site and download
a Vista driver. This is what I did for my HP 8250 printer. Talk to a
concierge via email. They will explain to you everything.

Another option is to open them up with MS Windows Media Player. This animal
will open anything. I do not know if it comes as a part of your edition. I
do have Ultimate.

Nothing in your precious files is corrupted. No viewer will mess up with the
content unless you began editing them.

"Kristian" <Kristian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:13FDE227-FDE9-4A16-8B65-639A5708B82C@microsoft.com...
> Those files are mostly partially corrupted. I can open those but example
> pictures are kind of a "broken", they are like a puzzle, part of picture
> is
> wrong place in that picture. Some pictures have different coloured areas,
> example half of that picture is red box but you can see the original
> picture
> in red area. Some of those pictures there are different color of lines.
> And
> other pictures half of that picture is grey zone where isnt anything else.
> Mp3 files are also partially corrupted. Only few picturefiles or Mp3s I
> cant
> open. Re-installing Vista or updating any software or drivers wont work.
> Now
> i noticed that when I move those files from my external drive to my
> computers
> (where this error is) internal hd , those pictures that has some problems
> are
> different allmost every time when I re-copy those to computer, I mean
> those
> problems I earlier mentioned changes in picture every time I re-copy
> those. I
> tried that external harddisk to other computer and copying went well, but
> that isnt the solution because its not Mine/My computer. I wondered, is it
> possible that some hardware might cause this kind of problem... That
> external
> hd works fine on other computer. I can't install same Windows Vista to
> other
> computer because it came with that computer, no cd or dvd, its in the
> harddrive.
>
> "DarkSentinel" wrote:
>
>> "Kristian" <Kristian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:58662E87-ADA6-45F9-80A1-F0AC3FA3920E@microsoft.com...
>> > I have this same problem!! Since I changed operation system to Vista
>> > allmost
>> > every jpg files has been corrupted! Allmost 2000 photos and about 150
>> > of
>> > those are important because those are the originals I have sold!
>> > Doesn't
>> > anyone really knows a solution to this problem. I have backups ofcourse
>> > but I
>> > cant risk those by connecting that drive to this computer where Vista
>> > is.
>> > I
>> > also noticed that some of my mp3 files corrupted also, first they were
>> > fine
>> > but after I transferred those to internal harddrive they all
>> > corrupted!!!
>>
>> Need to be a bit more detailed. In what way are they corrupt? Won't open,
>> partial data corruption? I have a lot of jpg, original art work, etc
>> under
>> Vista, along with a LOT of MP3's with no corruption whatsoever.
>>
>> --
>> Ok, I got the big purple f*cker, Sponge Bob is next!!
>> http://www.lockergnome.com/darksentinel
>> You know what to do with the munge
>>
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

"Kristian" <Kristian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:13FDE227-FDE9-4A16-8B65-639A5708B82C@microsoft.com...
> Those files are mostly partially corrupted. I can open those but example
> pictures are kind of a "broken", they are like a puzzle, part of picture
> is
> wrong place in that picture. Some pictures have different coloured areas,
> example half of that picture is red box but you can see the original
> picture
> in red area. Some of those pictures there are different color of lines.
> And
> other pictures half of that picture is grey zone where isnt anything else.
> Mp3 files are also partially corrupted. Only few picturefiles or Mp3s I
> cant
> open. Re-installing Vista or updating any software or drivers wont work.
> Now
> i noticed that when I move those files from my external drive to my
> computers
> (where this error is) internal hd , those pictures that has some problems
> are
> different allmost every time when I re-copy those to computer, I mean
> those
> problems I earlier mentioned changes in picture every time I re-copy
> those. I
> tried that external harddisk to other computer and copying went well, but
> that isnt the solution because its not Mine/My computer. I wondered, is it
> possible that some hardware might cause this kind of problem... That
> external
> hd works fine on other computer. I can't install same Windows Vista to
> other
> computer because it came with that computer, no cd or dvd, its in the
> harddrive.

NORMALLY, what you describe is indicative of corruption on the drive itself.
Sector degrading, the like. If it were happening over a network, I would say
you were getting trash packets thrown in and it is corrupting in that
fashion. But the way you describe it, it seems more to me like a fault
somewhere in the transfer. Meaning you said the corruption changes every
time you copy. I've heard of bad cables, firmware, and a fault in the
controller circuit causing random problems. That being said, I will be the
first to admit that I do not know everything so maybe someone else can chime
in and take a stab at this.

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You know what to do with the munge
 
Re: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files


I've been wrestling with this problem for months and think I understand
it. It's a USB problem. New Vista USB drivers are not compatible with
the firmware on older USB devices. Likely a real time issue. Either
Vista has to change, or the firmware on the external device has to
change. No one is willing to step up to the plate to provide a
solution, as there is no profit in it. That's it. That's all.

Currently your solutions are to either a) replace your devices with
newer devices that are still supported and are compatible with or
tested against Vista, or b) load both Vista and XP onto your PC and
boot up with the OS that best supports what you want to do. I chose
the latter and my jpeg problems are gone.


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RE: Vista has corrupted 30% of all of my JPG files

Did anyone ever come up with a valid answer to this? I also have the problem
of some of my pictures being half-grey. They are ok on the cf card and copy
ok to my Windows XP system. Have not been able to pinpoint why this is
happening. I believe all my drivers and software are up to date with Vista.

"tewkes" wrote:

> My HD crashed last week on my old PC. I was not too worried about it since I
> had been backing all pictures up to an external USB drive. Bought a new HP
> PC with Vista Home Premium. Now when I view JPG files from the external
> drive they appear with lines in them and are all jumbled up. Not all files,
> but about 30% of them are like this.
>
> Is not...
> program -- tried IRfanview, Xnview, many others
> memory card (SD) - tried several
> camera - tried at least 3
> method of download - tried USB and SD card direct in PC memory reader
>
> Even when I put the Ext. drive on an XP laptop, the images all appear the
> same now. I have copied and pasted to another drive in the same PC and even
> other PCs and no difference.
>
> A few other strange items related... all thumbnails appear okay, but when
> opened they are jumbled. Sometimes the files look different - ie. one file
> could be jumbled in one program, then okay in another program, sometimes even
> in the same program if I log off and back in the files appear different.
>
> I can send copies of the files if anyone is interested. Please help. I am
> very concerned that 30% of all photos I have saved the past 9-10 years are
> destroyed.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Kris
 
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