Windows Vista Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

JEDIDIAH · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

On 2008-08-06, Ed Edelenbos <eded@spookeasy.net> wrote:
>
> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> news:slrng9jjdu.pc6.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>> On 2008-08-06, Ed Edelenbos <eded@spookeasy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>> news:slrng9jchs.jtv.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>>> On 2008-08-06, Ed Edelenbos <eded@spookeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft Office
>>>>>>>> Home"
>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and even
>>>>> less
>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires) computer
>>>>> work
>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it used
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>> confusing
>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. They can do very basic things and that's about it.
>>>>
>>>> Stray from that and they are just as lost as if a Commodore 64 was
>>>> sitting in front of them. If they don't have the ability to inclination
>>>> to get past the "appliance" presented to them it doesn't really matter
>>>> what OS they're subjected to.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So let's recap... it does what they need and overwhelmingly, they are
>>> already used to the interface. And they should change because????
>>
>> It's useless as soon as they stray from using it as a web terminal.
>>
>> Even as a web terminal it tends to get infected with malware and
>> eat itself.
>>
>
> The evidence doesn't support your claim. I have machines in my house that

Sure it does. Windows has been notorious for this for years. Every so
often there will be Internet-wide epidemics of some nonsense. There
are entire rogue networks of machines that have been rooted over this
crap.

> have been running since sometime in 2003 and have not gotten infected and
> eaten themselves. They are still working just fine.

OTOH, I know people that can't stay on the net a week without getting
infested with malware. You clean the crap off their systems, tell them
to "don't do stupid things" and a week later their machines are completely
crufted up again.

You could make cleaning people's boxes a full time job if it paid well.

>
> I just took down my dads old computer that was still running Windows 98

....can't imagine this box has never been suddenly power cycled.

That by itself would be enough to crack it up.

Take a system and make it dependent on a non-robust database.

> (after having been upgraded sometime back in 99 or 2000 from wWin95). It
> was still running fine, but with a P3 600Mhz, it was having a hard time
> keeping up with modern web apps.
>
> Yes, if you frequent hacker and porn sites, it will probably get infected.
> My answer is to not go where I have no need to go.

....or IT professional sites.

This naieve notion that you have of being able to magically know what
is and isn't safe... as if there were some "evil bit" active on content
just isn't bourne out by reality.

I figure that in the best possible case you are an "unwitting accomplice".

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Linonut · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

* Ed Edelenbos peremptorily fired off this memo:

> I just took down my dads old computer that was still running Windows 98
> (after having been upgraded sometime back in 99 or 2000 from wWin95). It
> was still running fine, but with a P3 600Mhz, it was having a hard time
> keeping up with modern web apps.

Makes no sense. If it can run 'em, they should run fine.

Perhaps you have less than 128 Mb RAM in them?

I knew a guy who, just a couple of years ago, still ran Win98. But with
512 Mb of RAM. He was pretty happy with it.

> Yes, if you frequent hacker and porn sites, it will probably get infected.
> My answer is to not go where I have no need to go.

Yeah, we Linux users have to put up with the same thing, but with sites
that just don't get the idea that there are non-Windows systems out
there.

--
Said the attractive, cigar-smoking housewife to her girl-friend: "I got
started one night when George came home and found one burning in the ashtray."

Gary S. Terhune · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

I used to frequent hacker and porn sites on my Win98 machine (for
professional reasons, of course!) and I never got infected. At least, not
that anyone could prove. (It's impossible to prove a computer is not
infested with anything unless it's been through NASA-like sterile procedures
during construction, and even then...)

Which is to say that they're just as safe to visit as any other site if you
take proper precautions. Which is to say that NO website is to be considered
"safe". NONE!!! Nor any computer, for that matter. You just try to manage
the risks properly.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Ed Edelenbos" <eded@spookeasy.net> wrote in message
news:6fuhc0FdevmjU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> news:slrng9jjdu.pc6.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>> On 2008-08-06, Ed Edelenbos <eded@spookeasy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>> news:slrng9jchs.jtv.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
>>>> On 2008-08-06, Ed Edelenbos <eded@spookeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft Office
>>>>>>>> Home"
>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and even
>>>>> less
>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires) computer
>>>>> work
>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it used
>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>> confusing
>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. They can do very basic things and that's about it.
>>>>
>>>> Stray from that and they are just as lost as if a Commodore 64 was
>>>> sitting in front of them. If they don't have the ability to inclination
>>>> to get past the "appliance" presented to them it doesn't really matter
>>>> what OS they're subjected to.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So let's recap... it does what they need and overwhelmingly, they are
>>> already used to the interface. And they should change because????
>>
>> It's useless as soon as they stray from using it as a web terminal.
>>
>> Even as a web terminal it tends to get infected with malware and
>> eat itself.
>>
>
> The evidence doesn't support your claim. I have machines in my house that
> have been running since sometime in 2003 and have not gotten infected and
> eaten themselves. They are still working just fine.
>
> I just took down my dads old computer that was still running Windows 98
> (after having been upgraded sometime back in 99 or 2000 from wWin95). It
> was still running fine, but with a P3 600Mhz, it was having a hard time
> keeping up with modern web apps.
>
> Yes, if you frequent hacker and porn sites, it will probably get infected.
> My answer is to not go where I have no need to go.
>
> Ed
>

caver1 · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Damian wrote:
> Rick wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>> even less
>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>> computer work
>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>> used to be
>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>> confusing
>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>> without
>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>> work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>> this process.
>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>
>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>> Linux. --
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>> for Linux.
>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>
> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools they
> use. linux fails on all counts.
>
>
>>> My younger
>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>
>>> Ed
>
>

You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they
don't want to go they aren't going to.
MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
just go.
Even pigs think for themselves.
caver1

Moshe Goldfarb. · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:03:24 -0400, caver1 wrote:

> Damian wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>>> even less
>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>>> this process.
>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>>> for Linux.
>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>>
>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools they
>> use. linux fails on all counts.
>>
>>
>>>> My younger
>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>
>>
>
>
>
> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
> tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they
> don't want to go they aren't going to.
> MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
> just go.
> Even pigs think for themselves.
> caver1

Yawwn....
You seem to speak from experience.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Gary S. Terhune · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

I was trying to figure out where 'caver1" found the time to write that post
if s/he's still chasing the sow that can't be caught.

Yes, pigs can think for themselves, and so can most Windows users. It's the
Linux trolls who keep repeating the same old tripe, over and over and over
again.

Oh well, at least they're not pigs.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1o6nsb5c7bns$.id326iqk2tiv$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:03:24 -0400, caver1 wrote:
>
>> Damian wrote:
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>>>> even less
>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>>>> for Linux.
>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>>>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>>>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>>>
>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools
>>> they
>>> use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> My younger
>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
>> tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they
>> don't want to go they aren't going to.
>> MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
>> just go.
>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>> caver1
>
> Yawwn....
> You seem to speak from experience.
>
> --
> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Ed Edelenbos · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Damian wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>>> even less
>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>>> this process.
>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>>> for Linux.
>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>>
>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools they
>> use. linux fails on all counts.
>>
>>
>>>> My younger
>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>
>>
>
>
>
> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
> tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they don't
> want to go they aren't going to.
> MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
> just go.
> Even pigs think for themselves.
> caver1

And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating system
that allows for a spellchecker.

Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before you
type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head is
clouding your thinking.

Ed

Rick · Aug 6, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where isLinux????????

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where isLinux????????

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:27:08 -0700, Damian wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft Office
>>>>>>>> Home"
>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>> even less
>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>> computer work
>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>> used to be
>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>> confusing
>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>> without
>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher the
>>>>> o/s just doesn't
>>>>> work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>> this process.
>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>
>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running Linux.
>>>> --
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and go,
>>> "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they don't
>>> recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably doesn't help
>>> that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a couple years
>>> before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time "invested" in software
>>> that doesn't translate to anything available for Linux.
>>
>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>
> No,

Yes.

> they want something that works,

Linux systems work.

> and is compatible with the tools they use.

.... as I said.

linux fails on all counts.

No, it doesn't.

(snip)

--
Rick

Linonut · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

* Gary S. Terhune peremptorily fired off this memo:

> I used to frequent hacker and porn sites on my Win98 machine (for
> professional reasons, of course!) and I never got infected. At least, not
> that anyone could prove. (It's impossible to prove a computer is not
> infested with anything unless it's been through NASA-like sterile procedures
> during construction, and even then...)
>
> Which is to say that they're just as safe to visit as any other site if you
> take proper precautions. Which is to say that NO website is to be considered
> "safe". NONE!!! Nor any computer, for that matter. You just try to manage
> the risks properly.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User

A fine testimonial to Microsoft's consumer systems.

caver1 · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Ed Edelenbos wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Damian wrote:
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>>>> even less
>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>>>> for Linux.
>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>>>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>>>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools they
>>> use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> My younger
>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
>> tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they don't
>> want to go they aren't going to.
>> MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
>> just go.
>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>> caver1
>
> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating system
> that allows for a spellchecker.

That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word
because I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it
has a spell checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't clouded
you would know that was not an OS mistake.

> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before you
> type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head is
> clouding your thinking.
>
> Ed
>
>

If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have the
problem.
All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you spouting
the same mantra over and over ......"they want something that
works....Linux fails on all counts"
caver1

chrisv · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Ed Edelenbos wrote:

>> Even as a web terminal it tends to get infected with malware and
>> eat itself.
>
>The evidence doesn't support your claim.

Yes, it does. Stop lying.

>I have machines in my house that
>have been running since sometime in 2003 and have not gotten infected and
>eaten themselves. They are still working just fine.

You are not the world. It cannot be disputed that viruses and malware
are a major problem in the Windows world.

>Yes, if you frequent hacker and porn sites, it will probably get infected.
>My answer is to not go where I have no need to go.

Do you run as admin, or a limited user?

JEDIDIAH · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

On 2008-08-06, Damian <nospam@rabid-dog.net> wrote:
> Rick wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>
>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
[deletia]
>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>
> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools they
> use. linux fails on all counts.

....not at all.

This is just negative propaganda.

This is the HYPE that's fed to the ignorant to keep them away
from both the Mac and Linux.

[deletia]

My corporate colleagues never know I am using OO.

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JEDIDIAH · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
> I was trying to figure out where 'caver1" found the time to write that post
> if s/he's still chasing the sow that can't be caught.
>
> Yes, pigs can think for themselves, and so can most Windows users. It's the

....no, not really.

> Linux trolls who keep repeating the same old tripe, over and over and over
> again.
>
> Oh well, at least they're not pigs.
>

The herd is slowly moving. Perhaps the web will be a less menacing
place now that some of the Lemmings are dumping Internet Exploder.

Then there's my little niche of course... <snicker>

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Peter Köhlmann · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Ed Edelenbos wrote:

< snip >

> Yes, if you frequent hacker and porn sites, it will probably get infected.
> My answer is to not go where I have no need to go.
>

Oh, another of those psychic windows users who know in advance what site not
to visit, in order not to get infected.

Yes, that is really convinving. All you need to keep your windows machine
clean of viruses and other malware is just a little psychic power. After
all, everyone nowadays has those powewrs, don't we?
--
Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product.

Gary S. Terhune · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Glad you think so, LinoTroll.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
news:_yAmk.5924$Ep1.1455@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>* Gary S. Terhune peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> I used to frequent hacker and porn sites on my Win98 machine (for
>> professional reasons, of course!) and I never got infected. At least, not
>> that anyone could prove. (It's impossible to prove a computer is not
>> infested with anything unless it's been through NASA-like sterile
>> procedures
>> during construction, and even then...)
>>
>> Which is to say that they're just as safe to visit as any other site if
>> you
>> take proper precautions. Which is to say that NO website is to be
>> considered
>> "safe". NONE!!! Nor any computer, for that matter. You just try to manage
>> the risks properly.
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>
> A fine testimonial to Microsoft's consumer systems.
>

Gary S. Terhune · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Well, at least you aren't a pig. That would be an insult to thinking pigs
everywhere.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Damian wrote:
>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>>>>> even less
>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>>>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>>>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>>>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>>>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>>>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>>>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>>>>> for Linux.
>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>>>>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>>>>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools
>>>> they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>>>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
>>> tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they
>>> don't want to go they aren't going to.
>>> MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
>>> just go.
>>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>>> caver1
>>
>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>
>
> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word because
> I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it has a spell
> checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't clouded you would know
> that was not an OS mistake.
>
>
>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before you
>> type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head is
>> clouding your thinking.
>>
>> Ed
>
>
> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have the
> problem.
> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you spouting
> the same mantra over and over ......"they want something that
> works....Linux fails on all counts"
> caver1

chrisv · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Gary S. Terhune top posted:

>Glad you think so, LinoTroll.

*plonk*

Ed Edelenbos · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Damian wrote:
>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>>>>> even less
>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>>>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>>>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>>>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>>>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>>>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>>>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>>>>> for Linux.
>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>>>>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>>>>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools
>>>> they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>>>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
>>> tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they
>>> don't want to go they aren't going to.
>>> MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
>>> just go.
>>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>>> caver1
>>
>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>
>
> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word because
> I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it has a spell
> checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't clouded you would know
> that was not an OS mistake.
>
>
>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before you
>> type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head is
>> clouding your thinking.
>>
>> Ed
>
>
> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have the
> problem.
> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you spouting
> the same mantra over and over ......"they want something that
> works....Linux fails on all counts"
> caver1

Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works better.
For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the population) is
Windows. Get over it.

Ed

Gary S. Terhune · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

Thank you so much!!!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Gary S. Terhune top posted:
>
>>Glad you think so, LinoTroll.
>
> *plonk*
>

Gary S. Terhune · Aug 7, 2008

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling this
Windows group.

Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I don't
for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up against the wall
and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just entertainment, sometimes
just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are all just a big mess of bad
press.

NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are just
wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real activities.
Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.

How sad for the world of Linux.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
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> On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
>> I was trying to figure out where 'caver1" found the time to write that
>> post
>> if s/he's still chasing the sow that can't be caught.
>>
>> Yes, pigs can think for themselves, and so can most Windows users. It's
>> the
>
> ...no, not really.
>
>> Linux trolls who keep repeating the same old tripe, over and over and
>> over
>> again.
>>
>> Oh well, at least they're not pigs.
>>
>
> The herd is slowly moving. Perhaps the web will be a less menacing
> place now that some of the Lemmings are dumping Internet Exploder.
>
> Then there's my little niche of course... <snicker>
>
> --
> On the subject of kilobyte being "redefined" to mean 1000 bytes...
>
> When I was a wee lad, I was taught that SI units were |||
> meant to be computationally convenient rather than just / | \
> arbitrarily assigned.
>
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